The Luckiest Family In Mayo

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Enda Kenny with Darragh and Jennifer Loftus in Castlebar, Co Mayo following the 2011 General Election.

In the Dail last week Mr Kenny strongly defended the appointment of his neighbour Darragh Loftus to the board of Solas, the State training agency.
“I am actually sick and tired of a position where we have had a flawed process for years in this country. Because of the flaw in the process, people who want to give service can be labelled as lackeys, hacks or cronies.
“I heard a name on national radio this morning of a young man appointed to a State board who was deemed to be eligible on the basis of having worked in a bar or having supervised a pool room. I know the young man in question,” said Mr Kenny.
“I saw him grow from a primary school lad to the adult he is now. That young man has a B.Sc. honours degree as well as an MA in innovation and management. He did his stint in Brussels. As many other students did, he worked in a bar for the summer.”
Today it can be revealed that Mr Loftus’ sister, Jennifer, also from Castlebar, but based in Galway, was appointed to the board of An Post [a €16,000 a-year-role] on May 6 by then-Communications Minister, Pat Rabbitte. Ms Loftus, who works for Acorn Life in Galway, has worked with Acorn Life since 2003, having graduated from University College Dublin with a first-class degree in actuarial and financial studies.

Good times.

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Pic: Tom Campbell/Castlebar.ie

179 thoughts on “The Luckiest Family In Mayo

  1. David

    To be fair, anyone who has a first in Actuarial Studies probably has some good contribution to make to a state board.

    Such a person would also be getting less on an hourly basis doing board work than they would doing Actuarial work.

    Darragh Loftus has an MBA so I would call this family among the smartest in Mayo, not the luckiest.

    Some people just love to begrudge.

    1. Sam

      Of course, it’s all just begrudgery David. There’s surely no other line of actuarial or MBA or similarly qualified people who were overlooked or never considered, because they don’t happen to have the inside track….

      What makes you think board work clocks up enough hours to bring 16,000 per annum down to any type of pittance?

    2. Sibling of Daedalus

      John, how many first class honours have there been in business related subjects in universities over the past, say, 10 years? Quite a lot. Even if you cut it down to (i) females and (ii) people from the relevant ‘region’, still quite a lot? Same with MBAs.

      I would say VERY lucky.

    3. Spud

      The media made Darragh out to be just some type of pin monkey working in the bowling alley originally.
      Seems tough if he has the experience and is up to the job.
      I’m sure there are worse example of cronyism about.

      1. will-billy

        in fairness not many. the point the taoiseach was making though was that the ‘system’ made him do it. lol

    4. Louis Lefronde

      You seem to be in possession of additional information not in the public domain which you are able to post. The expression ‘plant’ comes to mind…

    5. David

      And how many people actually apply to state boards? How does an interest in serving with state bodies actually arise?

      If you were to ask a group of actuaries/MBAs how many of them would like this state board position I expect very few would raise their hand. Those who do probably have a strong interest in political affairs to begin with.

      1. Sibling of Daedalus

        David, don’t be ridiculous. If you asked any young professional in their twenties whether they would like 16K a year and the career benefit of serving on a State Board they would JUMP at the chance. What planet are you living on?

        1. Salmon of Nollaig

          Planet Young Fine Gael headquarters probably, where only young people with a ‘committment’ to blueshirt politics could possibly want an additional income increase of that amount per annum….

          1. will-billy

            so what? the point is most political activism is unpaid work. if you have a better system let us hear it instead of shiteing on

          2. Salmon of Nollaig

            “most political activism is unpaid work”

            what’s that got to do with the price of tea in china, unless you’re suggesting that because political activism is ‘unpaid’ they should be reimbursed by other means?

            if so I’d suggest a better system would be that you – and they – come right out and say it so people get told what they’re voting for.

            it’s called honesty. you should try trying it some time.

          3. will-billy

            its exactly what i am saying. and so are they. they seem quite blatant about it. do you have a better idea or are you just faffin about?

          1. will-billy

            no i agree with you a little bit. but you are also being unreasonable as well. i am merely saying that if there were no tangible rewards for being a foot soldier no one would bother much doing it. are you saying we should raise a new tax to pay for political parasites; i mean activists, you are; aren’t you?

      2. Medium Sized C

        If you could both stop referring to actuarial science as “business related” degree and equating MBA’s with actuarial studies, you both might be having a sensible discussion.

        1. Salmon of Nollaig

          What’s that supposed to mean (apart from satisfying your own ego, natch).

          The point the posters were making is that there are lots of other similarly qualified young people, it beggars belief that two were appointed from the same family never mind that that family was a neighbour and close friend of An Taoiseach.

          The distinction between actuaries and business graduates is irrelevant in circumstances where the An Post Board does not require anyone with specific actuarial experience. And even if you subscribe to the view that actuaries are brighter than other people, there are other first class honours actuaries out there, check the graduation lists!

    6. well

      “Darragh Loftus has an MBA so I would call this family among the smartest in Mayo, not the luckiest.”

      It was such a lucky coincidence these guys lived next to Enda!

    7. Dudey

      Loftus and Mayo – the both things ring a bell in my memory banks of ” Board Members Past”.

      Are they in any way related to Christy Loftus –

      Former columnist of the Western People
      Board member of the South West Mayo Development Company
      Now Communications Advisor at Shell Explorations & production Europe Limited
      http://ie.linkedin.com/pub/christy-loftus/17/479/950

      Does anyone know?

    8. DazzaMazza

      He David. I don’t have a qualification in actuarial studies but I can say with 100% certainty that you’ve a better chance of being appointed to a state board of you are 1. From Mayo and 2. A friend of Enda Kenny.

      There is no doubt that the two appointees here have done well from their educations BUT (and this is the important bit) they have no real world qualifications or experience to justify their positions on state boards. NONE. Yes Darragh did ok in college BUT are you seriously saying that he’s somehow fit to be on a state board? I can imagine the interview process…..

      Chair: “We’re down to the final two applicants. This one has decades of experience in higher level education, is a sitting chair of education in her university and also has significant experience in international education systems including apprentice education systems.”
      Board: Unamimous nods and looks of approval around the table.
      Chair: This other guy is Enda’s neighbor from Mayo and worked in a bowling alley.
      Board: We’ve found our man!!!

    9. Paolo

      That’s crap! There are plenty of clever people in the country but not all of them are Enda Kenny’s neighbour.

    1. Sam

      16,000 to be on a board… you know one of them jobs where you might get together one a month or every few months for a few hours…. and claim expenses for the travel, accomodation, etc. i.e. something she could do on top of a full time job. So yes, it is very well paid.

  2. BabyJesus

    They seem brighter than most of the Dail put together so bit disappointing that Broadsheet jumped on the ‘Daily Mail’-style anti-Enda bandwagon.

    1. Sibling of Daedalus

      Brighter than most of the Dail put together doesn’t say very much!

      Jennifer is clearly a bright and able young woman, however there are lots of other bright and able young women out there who would also be able to perform well in the role and who aren’t as closely connected to the Kenny family. Two family members being appointed to State boards requires strong justification.

      Are there any other cases you can point to where two family members are on the same board? And how many people in their 20s have been appointed to State boards?

  3. Panty Christ

    These appointments just maintain the status quo. It’s been the same blues riff since 1922.

    1. Louis Lefronde

      Status Quo haven’t played blues since the 60’s!

      As for qualifications of the board nominees. There are plenty of higher achieving graduates in this country than the Loftus family…with more experience. But of course they never get the chance because these positions are ear-marked as part of the patronage system. If such positions were made freely available to all to compete for without any political interference (or preferential treatment) we might just capture the best and brightest who would add value to our state boards and agencies.

      The lame and unsophisticated mantra of ‘that’s politics’ or ‘there all at it’ is not an excuse, and a well worn path for apologists, collaborators and spin doctors for egregious misuse of the tax-payers money to reward supporters of a given political party.

      Let’s be frank the educational qualifications of the Loftus family is not in issue. What is in issue – is the salient fact is, if they were they not in close proximity to the Chief of the Executive branch of Government (Enda Kenny) the chances are, they would not have been appointed to the said positions. That raises the question, is there a quid pro quo involved, namely what service was / is provided to Enda Kenny / Fine Gael to justify their appointment ahead of an ordinary non-aligned applicant (if such an application were possible) to fill the position?

      Perhaps, it hasn’t dawned on Mr Kenny, or people involved in ‘the political process’ that Ireland in 2014 is not some Renaissance Court where the Medici hold sway and who can offer ‘patronage’ to those within their circle. And please do not respond with the usual bunkum that other politicians in other countries do the same. Frankly, that is no excuse either, as I – like others do not pay my taxes those countries, and indeed it is a matter for citizens in other states to prevent this.

      Ireland suffers from a simple yet solvable problem. As it stands the political process (parties) are funded by a small subset of very wealthy people and by the taxpayer. Political parties have their supporters who ‘donate’ their time, and money as a quid pro quo (Canvassing,etc) namely when the party gets into power they reap the rewards – offices, sinecures and board positions. When political cronies get into positions, more often than not they replicate the process in terms of contracts awarded to friends, relatives and other political cronies and this leads to replicated systemic in our public service bodies, not to mention the catastrophic failure in standards of corporate governance.

      Politicians, the ones who get into office, use the taxation and social welfare system to buy votes (brokerage and clientelism) usually from the poor (dependents) and at all times the people who contribute most in terms of taxation (usually the middle class) are left on the outside, yet foot the bill.

      The question remains, are we going to be a mature open democracy where merit and free competition operates or are we going to remain a North Atlantic country with a North African system of tribal government – where the spoils are dished out to the Cannibals.

      1. Rotide

        “There are plenty of higher achieving graduates in this country than the Loftus family…with more experience. But of course they never get the chance….”

        You are contradicting yourself. If they have more experience, they quite clearly have got the chance.

        1. The Lady Vanishes

          No you are not reading properly.

          He’s saying that they have more experience extra-Board, but never got the chance for experience intra-Board….

  4. W_Thomas

    Very orndinary bloke I know, saw on his Linkedin recently that he is serving on a State board; am disgusted about it, because its perfectly obvious why he got the role……as for Kenny’s comment about “people who want to give service can be labelled as lackeys, hacks or cronies” ….what about €16,000 per year….plus expenses….what does it say about his attitude to the electorate if he expects people to believe this statement.

  5. Just sayin'

    Why bothers me is that it took the media 5 months to discover that an An Post board member was a neighbor and friend of the Taoiseach and a full year to figure out that her brother was on the board of Solas.

    A part-time student blogger could’ve figured that out in a half hour.

      1. deliverancecountry

        Yes, the beleaguered ‘hack’ has neither the time nor resources to make the most basic of checks to verify a story.

  6. Happy Molloy

    The picture is slightly mislabelled, David is John and John is David.

    I guess it comes down to the question how do you get appointed to a state board? A hand is never going to come out of the ether and pick you randomly, in case any of you were hoping for this. More likely you would need to put yourself out there and have good qualifications. Maybe Darragh wasn’t a bad choice, we’re always saying we need more youth on boards, he obviously has an interest in public life and is very well educated. And 16k is damn all cash to what an actuarist could make else where. I don’t have an issue with this.

    1. Just sayin'

      That’s €16,000 for attending a couple of board meetings each year – its not an actual job. Its an income top-up for a friend and we’re paying.

      1. scottser

        being on the board of solas looks great on his cv, along with being fuhrer of YFG for the while in college. however he got the job, i still want to give him a wedgie.

    2. Joxer

      i sent an applicaiton to the taoiseach to be appointed to the board of IMMA now that MC Nulty has had to resign. i put forward my credentials – Active in the arts scene since my teenage years (poetry, prose, Screen printing), would count amongst my network musicians, actors, writers, sculptors and painters, spent years in community arts organisations, been in business since my 20’s, run my own business, non political so could discharge my duties without fear or favour however i did mention that i canvassed for Michael O’Leary (not ryanair) in some elections years ago (friend of the family when he was Labour TD before he jumped to FG and also the Micahel Keating was also a friend of family at one point (before the ahem, Vat misunderstanding) . in fact looking at my CV, it is vastly superior to what McNulty set forth. However i doubt i will even get a resposne from office of An Taoiseach but sure worth a punt for a chance at 15K a year plus expenses….. but i’m not holding my breath

      1. John E. Bravo

        I hope when you got into art college you celebrated by singing ‘Joxer Goes to Study Art’ for days on end.

        1. Joxer

          wil-billy – he is an ex friend of family and i canvassed for Dimples O’Deary when i was a child – mostly dropping leaflets into letterboxes in cabra and sometimes looking cure beside my mammy as she handed out leaflets.

          Rotide – dont be an ass thats not ALL of my CV…. but in any event that lot there has me more that deserving of a seat on IMMA board judging by FG criteria.

    3. Louis Lefronde

      From the horse’s mouth…or more particularly from the mouth of a member of Young Fine Gael….

      Which raises the question is the post from a marionette or an apologist, the readers can decide for themselves.

      YFG seem to be taking an ‘active interest’ in the comment section of Broadsheet all of a sudden….interesting how they will defend the indefensible when their future self-interest is at stake?

      1. Joxer

        louis – just so you know i am not a member of FG – never was and never will be. i sent the mail into An Taoiseach partly out of exasperation and also out of curiosity to see what the response is. i doubt i will get a reply despite me mentioning two FG politcos

        the relationships mentioned in my OP were realtionships my parents had and in the spirit of the whole damm political establishment i used them in the mail

        to reiterate – the request was half tongue in cheek to see what the response is and can i just add that i would rather stick needles in my eyeyballs that be affliated with FG (or for that matter FF)

  7. Salmon of Nollaig

    Happy, Darragh is not the actuarist. Jennifer is the actuarist. You have them the wrong way round.

    How do you know John is David and David is John? Are you connected to the family?

    1. Happy Molloy

      No, just went to college with one of them. Realised my error after posting, I’m obviously not as smart as the Loftuses! Or is it Lofti??

      1. Drogg

        I think it will have to be independents all round next election cause there isn’t any party running a clean ship these days. Like it is kid of farcical when you have a labour party that goes out of its way to screw workers for the benefit of big businesses.

        1. Drogg

          Kind not kid, argh karl if you could make it so i could edit my posts after i made a mess of them that’d be great.

          1. Drogg

            Not a hope in them getting a preference from me, they have truly shown their colours and i don’t like the racist crony scum that they are.

  8. downtowntrain

    If I were to invest in studying for an MBA I’d be far more relaxed about the huge costs if I felt confident about getting onto the board of a quango or similar to cover those costs. There are plenty of intelligent and capable young people around, they just need a stroke of luck…

  9. Frilly Keane, Anyone?

    Let’s change it up a gear

    Are they related to Edna?
    Which one is looking for a party HQ nomination
    Anything there under the Ps: Penalty Points, Planning Permissions, Pothole Politicking, Product Placements. ProLife ProChoice, Porno, …

    1. The Lady Vanishes

      Member of Young Fine Gael puts in online comment pathetically attempting to deny the obvious.

      Which is that his party is fupped. Done.

  10. Joe

    Whilst Jennifers role is a reported to be a €16,000 a year role, I haven’t seen it widely reported that Darragh’s role on Solas is a voluntary role with no renumeration apart from expenses.

    “I applied for the voluntary, unpaid position on the board of SOLAS in a spirit of public service. I wanted to bring the benefits of my education, and my insights as a recent graduate, to decisions being made that affect many of a similar age and profile as my own. I have both a master’s degree and undergraduate degree in strategic business management and currently work for an international software company in Cork. The coverage of my appointment in the Daily Mail serves only to show why young, capable, people would be reluctant to apply through the Public Appointments Service.”

  11. Salmon of Nollaig

    He’s FG. Course he does.

    These are people who spend their time (paid? unpaid?) trolling for any anti-FG post and putting in asinine comments in an attempt to ‘take the sting’ out of it.

    Which in fact just infuriates sane people and makes them more anti-FG than ever.

    The Loftii would have got the job even if they were from somewhere other than Castlebar? Please.

    1. Happy Molloy

      I do like to attempt to smooth the harsh edges of internet posts I feel unjutsly criticise govt/society/ whatever but would really like to find out how to get paid by FG for it.
      Apparently it happens a lot because anytime anyone makes a comment which isn’t laced with misery and venom it seems they are getting paid by FG.

      One time people used to have different opinions, nowadays people with opinons other than your own are getting paid for them. Funny aul world.

      Isn’t it a mervellous day today though

        1. Happy Molloy

          I’m not a member but did vote for a couple of FG candidates, don’t agree with a lot of what they do and think their PR at home is a bit of a disaster but I think they are doing a good job with the economy and selling Ireland abroad whicha re the most important things to me at the moment.

          I wouldn’t have anyone else there, put it that way

          1. jungleman

            So yes, you are a FG supporter. While you say you don’t agree with a lot of what they do, I’ve yet to see you criticise them on anything on this site. As regards your assertion that you went to college with thousands of people and therefore are not biased by having attended with Darragh Loftus, there is objective bias there regardless.

          2. Happy Molloy

            To jungleman, below, you haven’t seen me criticise FG or any other party, apart from lunatic society damaging parties like DDI.

            The reason for this is because there is so much bloody negativity online, negativity breeds more negativity, I like to take a more optimitic and positive approach.

            i used to be banging away on mmy keyboard against FF, not very constructive though

          3. jungleman

            So you used to be banging away against FF. By any chance did you stop around the time that FG got into government? If you can’t see what’s wrong with these appointments, you’re blinded by something. Criticism is not always a bad thing, and by refusing to criticise this you are ironically encouraging a negative trait in Irish society.

      1. Salmon of Nollaig

        No, it happens when people make responses to posts that are clearly at variance with common sense (even allowing for the normal <.25 deviation from common sense found in Irish discourse generally).

        For instance comments like 'they aren't the luckiest family in Mayo, they're the most intelligent' e.g. they got the positions mentioned purely on intelligence and the fact they live next to Enda is just a coincidence.

        Two people from the same family. C'mon.

        1. Rotide

          you do of course realise that broadsheet comments in general represent the normal deviation from common sense that everyone else holds right?

  12. Louis Lefronde

    Salmon of Nollaig is absolutely correct, there is co-ordinated (and uncoordinated) posting by Party Youth Supporters across every discussion board, social network etc on Political matters.

    YFG (circle jerks) are on here this morning, but you will catch Ogra Sinn Fein, Fianna Fail and the Labour party up to the same stunts too when the issue dictates…

    Sadly these mis-guided cretins haven’t the wit to realise that in the political hierarchy they are nothing but the ‘after-birth’ – propping up a system of sleaze which is costing the tax-payer dear.

    1. Otis Blue

      True.

      No doubt they crave the day when they themselves will be plucked from obscurity and placed on a Quango.

      One point that is overlooked in all of this is what role do they play when they secure these sinecures. What decisions are they party to? And do these EVER deviate from the party position.

      Bear in mind they’re there for a reason.

      Follow the decisions and then it gets interesting. The rest is fluff.

    1. Happy Molloy

      Do you really think that the parties care what anyone thinks on the internet?

      I would have thought so some years ago, as I was damn near addicted to boards.ie and thought that the discourse that occured within was the pulse of the nation. I then stopped using it and got a good job and keep myself busy and quickly realised that the attitudes of most poeple I meet at work, in Ireland or abroad, meet socially, meet at home, whatever, differ vastly to the most common attitudes online.

      There’s a lot of bitter angry people online, a lot are at a bad stage in their lives and I know because I was there also.

      But they are the online vocal minority.

      1. Rotide

        Most people on Broadsheet don’t seem to realise that what you said is mostly true.

        Yes, it’s exactly the same as the boards.ie phenomenom.

        1. James Egan 301

          Online spin of political debate has been happening for some time. A lot of bitter angry people online but quite a lot of spin too. I agree it is difficult to tell one from the other but does it matter who or why the comment is being made – the question is whether or not it is correct. It seems obvious that the Loftus family have been promoted to Boards because of their connection with the Taoiseach, I can’t understand how any person could not see this and people who deny it must be either stupid or spinning.

      2. Italia'90

        I would contend that you still are.
        I have yet to see the “Happy” ooze out of Happy Molloy.

        Most, but not all of the commenters here are throwing virtual snowballs at the gobshitery that professes to be our “ruling by fooling” system and the cute hoors who populate the offices of state.
        It just so happens that it’s FG’s turn to be the target of our ire. It will be someone else’s the next time ’round.

        And, yes, political hacks send out the batters to fend of these snowballs.
        There is always an orchestrated campaign to deflect from your own side. All parties do it.

        It’s just at the moment, these cretins are really trying very hard to make us believe black is white and that we are all imagining they are not as bad as the previous crowd at the stroke.

        1. Drogg

          Hah this is so naive, if party’s where honest with people, didn’t screw the most vulnerable in society and didn’t give high powered positions to unqualified friends there would be a lot less bitter commentators. But trying to hide all your dirty dealings while patting your friends on the back is a sure fire way to not get people on board. Fine Gael will not survive the next election.

        2. Clampers Outside!

          I’m not imagining it when I say FG are not as bad as FF.

          That doesn’t forgive them for any crony like strokes, but come off it, they’d have a long way to go to be as bad as that shower over at FF, the most corrupt party this country has ever seen.

          1. Italia'90

            They were FF’s biggest cheerleaders in opposition or do you not remember their budget submissions?
            They wanted FF to give away more and spend more, I kid you not. Even when the bean counters in Europe were explicitly warning the government to stop boiling the economy and allow some steam to dissipate (well before the crash).

            I believe the real problem here is the inequity of opportunity.

      3. Louis Lefronde

        Actually, Political parties do care – because it is a sphere where they find it difficult to ‘control the message’ namely propaganda.

        Politicians, and more particularly political strategists are well aware of ‘blow back’ from the web, where information is harvested by journalists working in the mainstream media who then publish what they ‘discover’ in print, or on radio and television. There are more than a few lazy journalists out there who lift directly from online and claim ‘authorship’ to fill their copy quota.

        By the way, every party in the state has their sympathetic journalists, who they release ‘information’ to, either by a leak or by pre-arrangement .Sometimes, party handlers are able to squash a story at source (getting to the editor or proprietor) if needs must, and it helps if the editor in question was a previous party acolyte. Now some of these ‘journalists’ used to be Youth Members – which is especially the case with the Labour Party who are very well connected in the old media – but other parties have their own ‘trusted journalists’.

      4. Sham Bob

        Someone in FG seems to have cared enough about the original Darragh Loftus post to get BS to take it down. Maybe Darragh himself, or maybe one of the backroom guys who operate the levers in Enda’s brain.

      1. inotherwords

        Where are they announced then? This process needs to be made more transparent. Each new candidate should be vetted by the media, and any dubious links should be publicized. If the appointee is closely connected to the inner circle and have insufficient experience/expertise to bring to the role – then this should be brought to the attention of the public, and those who appointed them need to withdraw their nomination or resign themselves.

        I feel like we need an independent investigative journalist in Ireland. Broadsheet, can you set up a crowd sourcing fund to hire one? Otherwise, we need more collaboration projects to allow citizens to work together to hold the gov to account because the media generally seems to have their head in the sand when it comes to questioning those in power.

  13. Panty Christ

    There’s an Eithne Loftus of FG working for Leo in fingal coco. She’s from.. Co. Mayo. Mad coincidence.

    1. Louis Lefronde

      Now that is a co-incidence or not as the case may be…

      Funny how quiet the Labour Party is on this subject of recent, perhaps it’s time to do a little genealogy and background research into the comings and goings of the members of ‘die Rosa Kapelle’ (the Pink Orchestra) to state boards, agencies and sinecures since that shower got into Government.

  14. Harveynorman100

    The Irish people sicken me!!! Always the glass half empty country!!! Creating fictional characters competing against the Loftus family so they can moan!!! The job was obviously advertised on public jobs where anybody can apply. Id love to see how many young people applied. I could count it on both hands.

    As for the sister if she is a qualified actuary, 16k means nothing to her after tax as she is on the higher tax bracket. She obviously has alot to offer as i have worked in the financial sector and an actuary is one of the smartest people out there. As for the experience,, just cause you have 10 years experience dosent make you better at your job.

    The brother is on an unpaid board which means he is not paid for people who do not understand that term. Yes he knew Enda but how many young people would give up ten days of there 22 holidays to go to board meetings. People his age are out in thailand getting pissed off there heads.

    1. jungleman

      The fact that it is unpaid is irrelevant. It assists his career progression immensely. I would of course give up the same amount of my time to go to such meetings. I am just as qualified as he is for such a job. However. I would not for a second think that I would be considered for the job at my age and level of experience and rightly so.

      How do you know the 16k means nothing to the sister, unless you are in fact the sister? Shows how thick you are that you’d make such a statement.

      “People his age are out in thailand getting pissed off there heads.” Red herring.

  15. Frilly Keane, Anyone?

    Would the Fine Gael Trolling Party just shut the ück up.

    These appointments are political. Fact.

    And I can say that because neither of these candidates have demonstrated any senior executive experience in large complex organisations.

    Look at the annual budgets. Look at the size of the respective workforces. Look at the different complexities of the management structures.
    I don’t care how smart these kids of Mayo are. They haven’t the track records or Exec experience required to be in anyway considered as ideal candidates for these vacancies.

    If they were all that their daytime jobs would have them both at Board level.

    Now piss off

    1. will-billy

      that is correct. but let me say you are the only person to even appear capable of putting an argument together. well done. but a. why shouldn’t their supporters be free to support them if they wish and b. if you propose to amend the patronage system what is your alternative to encourage young folk to engage in political activism and or to fund their work? is it a new tax? you folks are a bit simple. you appear to argue that folks should not be driven by self-interest? why?

      1. jungleman

        It’s depressing that you think that there has to be this “patronage system” or we need an alternative to replace it. The system is already there, it’s simply a case that it is abused by scumbag politicians. If we take away the means for them to do so, the problem is solved. You seem to think that the jobs-for-the-boys racket is motivated by a desire “to encourage young folk to engage in political activism”, which is a daft interpretation of the situation.

        1. will-billy

          re ‘daft interpretation of the situation’ – possibly in some cases, but not in this specific one

          please re-read my text
          “If you propose to amend the patronage system what is your alternative to encourage young folk to engage in political activism and or to fund their work? is it a new tax?”

          nowhere do I endorse the system of patronage there, I merely asked for an alternative.
          you do not have any suggestions? other than simple-minded brow-beating about how ‘corrupt’ the system is? however patronage of itself may not necessarily be corrupt, it depends to a large extent on how office-holders exercise their powers, once granted, which is a matter of personal ethics. by the same measure, some ‘transparent’ system may only result in quality suffering, if only uninterested idiots apply who are purely in it for the money. You don’t know for sure which is better (or worse) which is I presume why you are not offering any ideas.

      2. Frilly Keane, Anyone?

        @WillieBill

        In the main, afaic, the more the merrier

        But I’m not going to stay stum when Fine Geal minors are trooping the bullshit

        An I’ll say shur’up to what ever cüntology they come out with.

        At best, This behavior is unseemly for an established political party with a tremendous majority

        1. will-billy

          It’s still perfectly acceptable for them to do so Frilly, and for you to kick their ass

          I would much rather fupping gobshites out in the open where I can take shots at them, personally

      3. Frilly Keane, Anyone?

        @WillieBill

        In the main, afaic, the more the merrier

        But I’m not going to stay stum when Fine Geal minors are trooping the bullshit

        An I’ll say shur’up to what ever cüntology they come out with.

        At best, This behavior is unseemly for an established political party with a tremendous majority

  16. Harveynorman100

    @louis lefondre

    The sad thing about you Louis is some people are just idiots!!

    Your gona spend your life trolling internet articles ridiculing people who decide to get off there computers and do something with themselves.

    1. jungleman

      There goes that spelling mistake again. You wouldn’t get off your computer please and go get a few spelling lessons. G’man.

    2. Salmon of Nollaig

      Even if Louis were a troll, it would be pot calling kettle.

      But he’s not. He’s a very erudite man who for some inexplicable reason has enough time to type posts longer and better written than the average Irish newspaper column. The latter is not very impressive but the former is, particularly if really done on an iphone.

      1. Louis Lefronde

        Well, let’s just say I dedicated an hour of my time to point out a few home truths to YFG fellow travellers who are group posting comments on Broadsheet to defend the indefensible without any real thought or reason, except self-interest. One of these posters (Harveynorman100) seems to be under the mistaken impression that if an ordinary citizen calls into question the method and manner in which appointments are made to a state board, that person is his words is an ‘idiot’.

        Well, if that be the case, and using Harveynorma100’s ‘logic’ – I am therefore in the company of 90% of the electorate, but then people like him only pay lip-service to democratic principles… That is why every so often we (the electorate) have to remind the political parties, that they have no sense of entitlement beyond the goodwill of the electorate…which can dry up at anytime as the PDs, the Green Party have already discovered.

        Let’s not forget what happened to Labour in 1997, Fine Gael in 2002 and Fianna Fail in 2011.

        The Irish electorate don’t suffer fools especially political ones.

        1. will-billy

          sorry Louis, while you are indeed ‘erudite’, your erudition is not particularly enlightening or provocative and could induce feelings of drowsiness in some readers.

    3. Mani

      While I have made it my policy not to engage with people who excrete exclamation marks at a rate that would make a startled horse blush, I will say that Louis is at least literate and convincing in his comments and you appear to be fresh and sweaty from a party fund-raiser in Ballynagash.

  17. Louis Lefronde

    There will always be apologists for low-standards in high office, but let us be absolutely clear there is no justification for it on any grounds whatsoever. Remember no matter how small the stipend may be for the beneficiary even if it is nominal; it is still a reward from a public office holder, who owes a duty to not only the electorate but the tax-payer in particular.

    Remember, whether an appointment stems from cronyism, nepotism or corruption – it has a cost, and that cost comes out of the pocket of the taxpayer. It is the money we give to the state on trust.

    We should not be quick to forget some of the foul practices that brought the country to its knees in 2008 such as excessive waste of the taxpayers money, whether it arose from untendered public contracts, unvouched expenses, unwarranted sinecures, or political earmarks for favoured individuals or constituents. Remember the Banking crisis was only one symptom manifested by the rotten heart of the Irish state

    The present Government were given a mandate to clear up those sorts of practices, and it is their ongoing duty to abide by it. Let us be clear, the financial failure of the state in 2008, and the ensuing change of Government by the electorate was not a nod-and-a-wink to the notion that ‘business as usual’ (cronyism, graft, bribery, corruption) would return once the crisis was over. Far from it. The present Government were given a license to get the house in order financially and ethically. And while credit must be given somewhat for the former – the Chief Executive of the Government it would appear has failed the later. The two are not mutually exclusive, they are intertwined. If may be time, to review whether the current tenant in Merrion Square has overstepped the mark. It is a legitimate right of any citizen to question and to call him to account, after all it is a democracy and secondly he is paid as a public officer holder by the taxpayer.

    All the maligned practices mentioned above run contrary to the notion of the common good. If one weighs the cost of cronyism,waste and indeed corruption over the years in this God forsaken country, then consider the following: how many schools could have been built? How many patients could have received life saving treatment? How many other things could have been done and achieved?

    These are but a few of the costs of executive mismanagement, and lack of accountability in the administration of our country. You may say that in the present article these are but small appointments, but in truth the rot at the top spreads quickly like cancer throughout the political system. Either you cast a light into the recesses where the cancer begins or you allow it to fester and grow.

    How long must it persist without treatment?

  18. jesst

    Honestly, who else has gotten a job because you know someone? Cause I have. Does it mean I was the wrong person for the job or that I’m bad at my job? No (at least no one has said it to my face… yet!)

    Am I the only one that thinks this isn’t a big deal? It happens in most professions I’d say…

    1. jungleman

      I don’t think it’s a big deal in the private sector, because people can do what they wish with their own business. FG/Labour/SF/FF do not own the public sector. So yes, it is a big deal that this goes on.

      1. Louis Lefronde

        From my experience in running a profitable business in the private sector, it is better to employ people you don’t know. It’s less messy if it doesn’t work out, and plus in running a private concern where the entrepreneur is taking the risk and investing capital, you need to attract the best people who add value to the business…not the muppet son of an acquaintance or worse a relation!

  19. Thedinger

    Sorry to disappoint but young Fianna Gael never converted me, thank god. Now, “Trusting the irish electorate”- I cannot and never trust our voters again. Constant FF governments-is enough for me never to do that- there-election of Bertie being the incredulous icing on the cake. Now, the beating up of our current government is understandable, sometimes. My fear is all that will be accomplished is that we get professional gombeen men voted back in the form of Fianna Fáil who will solicit tribunals upon tribunals and actually refuse to fall on their sword without costing the tax payer even more money to remove them. I’m of the Douglas Adams persuasion that anyone who has the ability to get themselves the top job probably doesn’t deserve the job. As in they’ve obviously employed cunning, devious deals to get there. So, settle down with the – oh your opinion is this so you are Fianna Gael. I’m not. But I know mud slinging when I see it and this as far as I’m concerned is exactly that and thus a non-story. And I’m absolutely kacking myself that someone will think FF is option. Or god forbid Sinn Fein.

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