rainwater

Via Dublin City Council:

All rainwater harvesting systems must be approved in advance. If you would like to discuss your options for rainwater harvesting system please contact Irish Water

Really?

REALLY?

Dublin City Council

Via Ger Ryan

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      1. Atticus

        Because the water is unfiltered (that is, unfiltered to a suitable level) to be pumping it into your washing machine. Rainwater Harvesting water is only really suitable for two things, flushing toilets and watering your garden.

          1. Disasta

            So what do you clean your toilet with? Hope?
            I use a small amount of bleach when scrubbing the toilet.
            The water is treated.

        1. Sidewinder

          I think the operative word there is *your*. This isn’t about protecting peoples washing machines.

    1. Always Wright

      Smoothlikemurphys, that’s nonsense. I grew up in a house with a rainwater supply, harvested and stored on the site. Our dishwashers, washing machines and electric showers always lasted much longer than other people’e because the water was so much softer than either local well water or the town’s mains supply. And, as a bonus, our hair was glossier and our whites were whiter. We had to boil the water to drink it, but so do plenty of people living on the mains.

    1. Atticus

      I’d say it has more to do with the fact that the Rainwater Harvesting Tank has to be topped up with Mains Water. You can’t use a Rainwater Harvesting system on its own.

      1. Always Wright

        Nonsense! Where are you getting this? You do understand that a there are people living in Ireland who simply don’t have access to mains supply? As I have said above, I was raised on rainwater. It was the only supply we had. There’s plenty of it, everybody should be harvesting in some way even if it’s just to flush toilets.

      2. Nicholas

        What insanity! There are probably 20 houses in view from up here on the hill, and I know for a fact that all of them have rainwater as their sole supply of potable water, with no additional filtering or treatment. What are you guys on about??

      1. DD

        Has to be that size to accomodate all the sh*t Irish Water is pumping out.

        Have already paid twice, not paying for a third time.

  1. Disasta

    This is utter bullsh!t.
    So will I have to ring someone else about my own compost heap?
    Or someone else because I generate electricity from a homemade device?

    Go f**k yourselves Irish water.

  2. Owen

    This is terrible. I can’t understand the approach here. There are plenty of providers in Ireland that have been doing acceptable work for decades. Now they will have to pay for some form of licence, I’m sure, in time.

    While I’m here. The construction jobs that could have been generated by the government promoting RWH, and incentivising the public to partake through an actual implementation plan, would have not only aided the economy but would have softened the blow of the pending ‘tax’. Instead they focused on monopolising an industry by forming a ‘public’ body who now not only provide water, but enforce the water planning laws(?), and have the legal right to force the entire nation to be their clients.

    Fidel Castro would be impressed.

    FYI – Ireland reaches WHO standards for untreated grey water (and drinkable I think but would need to check), so there is no need for IW to have to inspect RWH schemes, unless they are on a farm where pesticides are involved.

    1. Atticus

      You cannot drink Rainwater that is collected through a RWH system. The water is only suitable for flushing toilets.

      The jury is also out as to the realistic capital payback time for an installing a system into a house.

      1. Disasta

        This comment is incorrect . You can drink rainwater from a RWH once you filter it well (activated carbon filter) and possibly add a Ph balancer. You could also boil if all that wasn’t enough.

        You’d also like to pay attention to keeping guttering clean and possibly puting a thin grate of metal over it to avoid larger debris.

        This can be done for a few 100 euro easily and no jury is out on this.

        Personally I’d just use it for showers and toilet and only have the filter attached.

        1. Atticus

          You can drink water from your toilet bowl if you boil it.

          As for payback time, Liam McCarton from DIT, in his Rainwater Harvesting Pilot Project Report has concluded that the payback can be anything up to 20 years, depending on the cost of MWS supply and the amount of grant provided.

          You’re suggesting that the water can be boiled, how much extra would that add to the overall cost? Filtering doesn’t prevent the health risks of Legionella, Cryptosporidiosis, bacteria, and other nasties.

          1. Spartacus

            You’re speaking in bollox, Atticus. Many households in this country, and many hundreds of thousands of households in first world countries provide for *all* of their water requirements via RWH systems.

          2. Spartacus

            Oh, sorry. I must be reading the comments made by some other Atticus. They’ve hijacked your avatar an’ all!

          3. Disasta

            I drank rainwater in Australia for 8 weeks straight and it came from a large above ground tank. All of us did, around 20 people working on the farm. No one was sick. Lots of the world, as mentioned above, drink rainwater.

            20 years? WTF did they build a water pressure tower?
            What are you saying a tank from which 2-3 plastic/copper lines extend (already existing in houses) from a new tank just below the level of the guttering would cost?

            20 years x 160 (current water charge) = 3200???
            Could be done for a VERY small fraction of that.

            Stop talking through your hole. Toilet bowl, great example. Show your idiocy. Go take your scaremongering elsewhere.

      2. Owen

        Yes, that is what I said….. “Ireland reaches WHO standards for untreated grey water” = toilet / shower etc.

        No, the jury is not out, the operational cost gains over the life of the equipment would out way the captical cost. Also, An implementation plan was the point I was making. One that makes operational gains outway capital cost.

      3. CousinJack

        Drinking Water Regulations only apply to a serviced supply at the sink tap
        If in a domestic permises you provide your own water supply for your own use the drinking water regulations do not apply. so therefore RWH is acceptable for drinking water in a private owner occupier domestic premise.
        IW have to compile put self supplied owner occupiers don’t

  3. ahjayzis

    Look, you’re all being unfair.

    If you had 2,000 staff members you don’t actually need but are paying lolling about the place you’d start inventing things that need their attention, too. For a reasonable call out charge. Let’s say, a week’s dole. See you Tuesday. Sometime between 6am and midnight.

  4. Clampers Outside!

    Don’t do it ! Tell ’em nothing ! :)

    They’re probably just collecting info on you and will tax each water bucket / collection system you have in a few years…. tell them nothing about your own water harvesting.

    Sounds a bit to conspiratorial does it? A bit too ‘tinfoil hat’ for ya? ….domestic water harvesting is TAXED in the UK.

      1. Clampers Outside!

        Damn, I may have been lead astray…. my exes Dad said they tax it in the South of England, I should’ve done more checking.
        I’d give him an earful now… but sure, I never see him no more. Apologies, I never had any reason to doubt him.

  5. rotide

    This is interesting. Surely they should have no input into self installed RWH systems (I wasn’t even aware such a thing was possible).

    As a matter of interest, Does anyone have a say if you install your own solar panels? I assume their might be planning requirements but surely the ESB don’t have a say in it?

    Might be time to get those plans for a small fission reactor dusted off.

    1. CousinJack

      if you wanted to export excess power you would need to agree a contract with EirGrid/ESB and would need your meter and possible connection changed, but otherwise no

    1. rotide

      FAO: J. Rothschild.

      I have located the dissident known as TheDude and am monitoring him on all NWO channels. I’ll be in touch via microwave transceiver.

      All is going to plan.

  6. Chris

    Sounds like IW now own ALL water in Ireland – the lakes, rivers, canals, and the water that falls from the sky.
    Next thing, they’ll be charging tolls for driving through puddles on the road…
    Fuppers

  7. Clo

    Don’t see why people are getting their knickers in a knot about this. Presumably there can be planning and practical issues regarding rainwater harvesting (other than normal water butts) for which some sort of specialist advice is necessary. Eg, if you put a tank underground in an average three bed semi do you need planning permission to dig a massive hole, and could it cause structural issues to your or neighbouring properties; will there be issues with location of other services, especially sewerage; what happens to any overflow from your tanks (speaking from experience: we have an underground tank for harvested water and there are times when it gets too full); and can Irish water still charge you for the water part of their contract if you decide to bypass the mains water supply altogether (not sure in Ireland we get enough rain for that, but some may still want to ask the question).

    1. Nigel

      But it didn’t refer to planing permission, it talked about approving the system and involving Irish Water, which smacks a bit of regulatory capture.

      1. Nigel

        (Of course, maybe they MEANT via planning permission, if necessary, but what do Irish Water have to do with it, since they only way it will effect them is you reducing your usage?)

        1. Kieran NYC

          If people started installing these willy-nilly, perhaps improperly with no oversight, people would be complaining about that too.

          Lack of regulation in this country has never been a good thing.

          1. Nigel

            Then there needs to be a regulatory body, which neither Dublin City Council nor Irish Water is. Are?

    2. Disasta

      Maybe CLo you should have an overflow on your tank?
      Who said the tank needs to be underground?
      Why are you typing?

  8. stealingthemichael

    Is this because the water in the balloon that hit Burton came from an unlicensed and untraceable RWH system?

  9. Greylines

    I asked IW directly. They said if it’s your own private property, you can install a rain harvesting system no problem. What 1.9.7 of the general conditions says is that you cannot break your way into the public sewer system without a licence when installing drainage on your property.

  10. Frilly Christmas Everyone*

    I’ll harvest wtf I like from what falls over my gaff

    And if I boil it, flush it, or water the rhubarb with the stuff, tis no’wans business but mine

    IW my hole

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