Conflation Once Again

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Why are you marching about water.

When you could be marching for other things.

Fergus Finlay writes:

“Who will march for Ivy McGinty? Or Mary Garvan? Or Mary Maloney? Or the hundreds of other Ivys and Marys who live lives of seclusion, trapped in a system in which they have no rights, no voice, nobody to speak for them? Or march for them?”

How is it possible that up to 100,000 of us are willing to protest about a tiny charge to fix a broken water system, but nobody can be bothered to march for the most defenceless people in Ireland? How can we get so angry over things that aren’t going to destroy anyone’s life, and yet we can watch frail, elderly women being pushed and verbally abused in a public service and not march on Dáil Éireann? How can we be so triumphant about bringing the Government to its knees over water, and yet there are no banners for Ivy or the two Marys?”

Meanwhile…

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FIGHT!

No more reports on intellectual disability — it’s time to finally act after Aras Attracta (Fergus Finlay, Irish Examiner)

Gavan Titley

Previously: ‘You Could See Her Cowering In The Chair’

The Flowing Tide

Pic: Random Irish Photo

 

37 thoughts on “Conflation Once Again

  1. Starina

    no protesting about one thing until you protest about other things! this tiny charge is of no consequence to me so it’s of no consequence to anyone else and definitely won’t hurt those who are hovering above absolute poverty! i am superior to everyone else! down with this sort of thing!

    1. Jess

      Ah yeah! You and your protesting about everything, you bandwagon jumping professional protester you! Be both things at the same time or be quiet!

  2. Medium Sized C

    Legitimate point by Finlay.
    He is absolutely entitled to express his opinion that he feels there are far more pressing social issues than water charges.

    But I think Gavin Titley is being an irredeemable gobshite.
    Typically feckin lazy, strawman response.
    Nobody made the point he is arguing against.
    Godwin in two posts.

          1. Mark Dennehy

            You can’t march against the state of the hospitals until you march against the introduction of secret courts to enforce wiretapping of Irish citizens by any government in the EU!

          2. Mark Dennehy

            You can’t march against the introduction of secret courts to enforce wiretapping of Irish citizens by any government in the EU until you march against the lack of schools in Ireland that aren’t run by religious orders!

          3. Mark Dennehy

            You can’t march against the lack of schools in Ireland that aren’t run by religious orders until you march against our ridiculous 17th century laws on abortion!

          4. Mark Dennehy

            You can’t march against unvouched expenses and corruption amongst our TDs and Senators and MEPs until you march against the bailout of the bondholders with public funds!

          5. Mark Dennehy

            You can’t march against the complete lack of an air ambulance service in Ireland until you march against the abandonment of the free fees plan for third level education!

          6. Medium Sized C

            Mark,

            Recently, you have been posting things that you think make you look smart, but actually make you look like a childish idiot.

            These are examples.

            Expressing concern that people aren’t marching about all these serious social issues DOES NOT IMPLY that people shouldn’t march against water charges.
            It doesn’t imply that you need permission to march either.

            The implication that it does is a strawman argument.

          1. Mark Dennehy

            (Besides, we’re kindof averse to having marches for changes in firearms legislation, people get the wrong idea when a bunch of firearms owners march down roads in this country…)

    1. donkey kong

      he has a very valid point cos finlay is sneering at people who care about the state of the nation and it’s direction.
      It’s not one of “his” worthy causes but f you finlay cos it is mine for more than one reason.
      It’s about more than water charges of 3e a week (thanks Leo !!) to be fair. People are being gouged in taxes for no services and dress it up as you want the bank debt is a large factor in this. some (not sunday indo ) people are merely existing on very little disposable income and this is the straw broke the camels back.
      Even if it’s a shitty 3e a week.

      Not to mention the legitmate fear of privatisation. One which the government could and refuse to put to bed.

      1. Medium Sized C

        Sneering….

        Jesus.

        The world doesn’t owe you shit.
        You don’t get to feel all good and squishy just because you got all pissed off about something.

        The man has no point, his feelings are hurt because someone pointed out that the issue he has his back over might just be over represented in Irish social activism.

        Sneering is something you have inferred.

        1. donkey kong

          i did infer it. but I feel justified.
          His angle is clear – it’s the varadkar angle dressed up a bit.

          the world owes me nothing granted. i agree.
          I feel good and squishy riding my missus or on drugs –
          so your point is ??

    2. Artemis

      Expressing concern that people aren’t marching about all these serious social issues DOES NOT IMPLY that people shouldn’t march against water charges

      Have you some sort of turrets, where you completely miss the point, and get bogged down in technicalities?

      Yes are you indeed correct, expressing concern that people aren’t marching about all these serious social issues DOES NOT IMPLY that people shouldn’t march against water charges but you must have missed where he conflated those social issues with water charges.

      It’s highlighted in bold above.

  3. bisted

    …you can take the self-righteous apologist out of the Labour party but you can’t take the Labour out of the …etc…

  4. Clampers Outside!

    I think Finlay is alright for the most part, but that piece is bollixology. If people are not paying attention to his cause it’s be cause people have concerns out the wahzoo ! Not to mention the distrust of charities which many people still have according to my straw pole of friends last weekend. And rightly too.

    Fix that first Fergus.

  5. Digs

    Ferguson Finlay has an acute sense of social justice. He is astute and we’ll thought out. Titley on the other hand…. Polemic.

    1. Odis

      Let’s get thing in perspective
      “Fergus Finlay is the chief executive of the charity Barnardo’s in Ireland. He was a senior member of the Irish Labour Party and is also a weekly columnist with the Irish Examiner and the author of a number of books. (Wikipedia)” – Burton’s stooge so

  6. Niallo

    People are fickle, irrational, selfish and stupid, especially in crowds.
    These lads need to capture the publics imagination to generate some support.
    Not sure what that would involve seeing as it took a death in a high profile place to make us even raise an eyebrow.

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