The Eve Of Eviction

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Susan Ryan, aged 41, was due to be evicted “by appointment” from her apartment at Longboat Quay North in Dublin 2 on Monday, October 21, 2013.

Ms Ryan had fallen into mortgage arrears with her lender understood to be Ulster Bank.

Gareth Naughton, in The Herald, reports:

Mr Gray [Dublin City Sheriff’s Office court messenger Paul Gray] knocked on the door a number of times and called out Ms Ryan’s name but there was no response.

Using a key provided by the bank official, they entered the apartment.

Gda [Bronagh] McArdle  [present to ‘ensure there were no public order issues’] said that on entering the bedroom she found Ms Ryan “visibly pale in colour and was cold to touch” with no pulse detectable.

“There was a substantial amount of empty medication trays piled up at the bedside,” she told the court.

The dead woman had spent the weekend in Wexford visiting her mother along with her sister Barbara Ryan, who told the court that everything had been “normal” with nothing out of the ordinary happening.

…Coroner Dr [Brian] Farrell said that, from pictures of the apartment, [Ms Ryan] appeared to have been living on “convenience foods”.

Woman took her own life on night before eviction (The Herald)

Pic: Daft

58 thoughts on “The Eve Of Eviction

      1. Anomanomanom

        I mean like what was the reason. Lost her job, just stopped paying, didn’t negotiate with banks. I know it was suicide and the pressure of this push her over the edge, but there’s always more to these stories than just pressure from banks making people kill them self

  1. Jock

    I had a friend that killed himself after his girlfriend left him. Is she to blame for his death?

    1. Saturday Night Newsround

      Maybe, maybe not, it would depend on the circumstances, wouldn’t it? And characterising the reporting of financial suicides as ‘blaming the bank’ is either a rather transparent way of discouraging people from talking about them, or trolling, or both.

    2. Spaghetti Hoop

      Of course she’s not.
      Nobody’s really to blame. Some people cannot cope with what life chucks at them…and it’s deeply sad.

      1. Saturday Night Newsround

        ‘Nobody’s really to blame’ is an intellectually lazy platitude adopted by those of us who have been fortunate enough and lack sufficient imagination to comprehend the nature and extent of the injustices that occur daily to people in this city. I am not just talking about financial injustice, I am talking about things like sexual abuse (a contributor to many adult suicides), violence and cruelty, also emotional manipulation.

        Whether or not someone is morally to blame for another person’s suicide depends on the circumstances of the particular case. It’s not necessarily the case that ‘nobody’s really to blame;.

        1. Saturday Night Newsround

          None of us know whether we can cope with what life ‘chucks at us’ until it is chucked at us. Until you have had everything chucked at you, and survived, it might be better to avoid talking about ‘some people’ being unable to cope.

          1. Saturday Night Newsround

            And yes, it is deeply sad. Particularly when suicides are marginalised as ‘some people’ and described as not being able to cope with what life throws at them. And told it’s nobody’s fault. How many cliches is it possible to fit into one comment? Three it appears!

          2. Spaghetti Hoop

            I certainly won’t avoid talking about the people who cannot cope. Prefer to brush it under the carpet would you?

            Seriously SNN, you are obviously upset, so quit picking fights. I am equally saddened about this news. The facts have not been disclosed and there’s a whiff of ‘blame the banks’ in the air. Which is what I assume Jock was referring to in his question.

          3. Saturday Night Newsround

            No, I am not ‘obviously upset’. Nor am I ‘picking fights’ (two more cliches!). I am a little frustrated by the fact you keep misinterpreting what I write. I am not asking you to stop talking about ‘the people who cannot cope’. I am simply asking you to view them as something more than ‘people who cannot cope’, this term diminishes them, and is incorrect anyway, each of us can cope under certain circumstances and cannot under others, what is ‘coping’ anyway? Just think about what you are writing, and its implications, and you will hopefully see why I was irritated by the apparent glibness of your initial comment.

        2. Spaghetti Hoop

          So it’s ‘intellectually lazy’ to show empathy for a person who wilfully and deliberately takes their own life? Get real. Technically, they are responsible for the act. But with despair and depression it’s not morally right to apportion ‘blame’.

          1. Saturday Night Newsround

            That’s ridiculous. Just because someone suffers from depression, and kills themselves, doesn’t mean someone else isn’t morally responsible for their death.

            Firstly, there can be causes of suicide other than depression, these causes may apply to people who are depressed too.

            Secondly, depression is not purely biological, it is due to a complex series of causes, some of which can be situational.

            You are entitled to your own personal moral code but you’ll need to think it out more thoroughly before you can convince others to share it.

          2. Spaghetti Hoop

            Yes I agree about multiple causes of suicide – and the nature of depression. Neither of those points relate to what I was saying about the subject of ‘blame’….

            Situations can become devastating to people, devastating situations happen to all people. Some choose to escape them in the most tragic and final way. You can’t blame people only because they had dealings at some point with a suicide victim. If somebody owed you money and they ended their life for financial reasons, would you feel responsible for their death?

          3. Salmon of Nollaig

            You’re reframing what you said at the outset, which was that “nobody’s really to blame”

            My point was that, yes, with some suicides (not all) other people ARE to blame and that this may be the case even if the suicide suffers from pre-existing depression.

            The loss of a life is serious and deserves respect and generalisation should be avoided. To assume automatically that no-one is to blame for a suicide other than the suicide is as wrong as automatically assuming that there must be someone to blame.

            And I didn’t see blame mentioned in the post. Jockstrap insinuated that it was, but that’s not the same thing. I’m not sure anyone even mentioned blame before either of you did.

          4. Spaghetti Hoop

            Salmon of Nollaig,

            1. I wasn’t replying to any of your points on this post, I was replying to Saturday Night Newsround.

            2. In no way do I dispute that ‘The loss of a life is serious and deserves respect’. Yes I have generalised suicide somewhat by reminding SNN that it is a lone act. I have completed moved away from the case which is the subject of this post, yes – but the subject is suicide, so it’s relevant.

            3. The word ‘blame’ I used directly in response to Jock’s question.

          5. Saturday Night Newsround

            If somebody owed you money and they ended their life for financial reasons, would you feel responsible for their death?

            Yes I might. Depending, as I said, on the circumstances. I say MIGHT. I repeat, there are no general rules, and it all depends on the circumstances. Blame is not always relevant, or helpful. Sometimes, however, it is. I do not know whether or not this is such a case, and I never made out I did, same as Salmon said (for himself, inerror, but true of me too).

          6. Saturday Night Newsround

            No, it is not intellectually lazy to show empathy. It is however intellectually lazy to assume that ‘no one is to blame’ in respect of a suicide. As I wrote above (several times!!!) it depends on the particular suicide.

        1. Salmon of Nollaig

          Nope. You’re a snide passive aggressive who tries to subtly misinterpret a lot of posts on this site for your own amusement. Try to avoid doing that on suicide posts at least if you don’t want to be called out on it.

          1. Salmon of Nollaig

            Nothing is worse than a lack of compassion for others – whether due to self-absorption in one’s own problems, or simply nastiness.

          2. Jock

            This woman’s suicide is being used all over Ireland now for people’s own political goals. What compassion do they have?

          3. Salmon of Nollaig

            Why do you automatically assume people have ‘political goals’? Are Broadsheet’s political goals the same as the Independent and the Examiner, who also reported on the death? What are these political goals? What is the evidence you rely on to prove them? You’re very sure of what you think is the case but often you get it lamentably wrong.

    3. deliberately trolling

      with that kind of snarky attitude towards people in such pain and distress that they take their own fupping life

      maybe YOU are more responsible Jock, for being a horrid friend and person?

  2. Drax Ltd II

    So sad. Poor woman must of not of wanted to live with what she must of felt would be great shame.
    There’s no shame in it. Sometimes people make mistakes and something like this shouldn’t be such an issue.

    1. pedeyw

      I wish those idiots giving “mortgage advice” on posters around Dublin would feck off. You know the ones telling you to mark envelopes from the bank return to sender, or whatever.

  3. Miko

    Financial suicide? What’s that? Nobody kills themselves just because they have to leave their home for another home. While I’m deeply sorry for the individual who must have been going through some pain to do what they did, blaming her death on the bailiff or bank is deeply unfair on them as human beings who have a job to do. Unless of course the suggestion is that we never evict people who stop paying for their property. In which case who wants to pay for their mortgage?

    1. Saturday Night Newsround

      I used the term to refer to a situation where a suicide is caused or contributed to by financial worries. A lot of them have occurred in the past few years. The timing of the suicide in this case makes it highly likely that it falls into this category.

      Why do you try to minimise such deaths? And why are you so quick to accuse people of apportioning blame, just because they acknowledge that such deaths occur?

      And how can you stand over sweeping statements like ‘nobody kills themselves because they have to leave their home’.

      We’re talking about the taking of a human life here. Show some respect and stop throwing around accusations and generalisations just because the idea of someone taking their own life in the above circumstances makes you feel uncomfortable. Maybe it should make you – all of us – feel uncomfortable.

      1. scottser

        hold on SNN. nobody here knows what help she was offered, took or declined leading up to this tragedy. apportioning blame is idiotic, insensitive and unhelpful in this case, as it is with all suicides.

        1. Saturday Night Newsround

          You hold on, if you don’t mind. Please read my comments above again. At no point did I ever apportion blame for this person’s death to ANYONE. If you don’t read comments before responding to them, it means your comments are a waste of space. That’s not something I particularly mind, but I do get a little bit ratty when I am misinterpreted. BTW I didn’t see this post apportioning blame to anyone either. Is every report of a suicide to be suppressed as implicitly apportioning blame? That would be ridiculous. And please read more carefully next time.

          1. scottser

            just because the idea of someone taking their own life in the above circumstances makes you feel uncomfortable. Maybe it should make you – all of us – feel uncomfortable

            keep your knickers on, for the most part i’m agreeing with you. however, it remains unclear as to what assistance she was offered, took, refused etc. and she gave people close to her the impression that she was on top of everything. it’s a tragic case for sure, but that’s the way with suicides, it leaves so many questions unanswered.

    2. Jock

      That is the motive in this post. No evictions or people will kill themselves. This is politically driven emotional blackmail at its most cynical. Yet I’m the bad guy.

      1. Nigel

        If only the faceless institutions at whose behest we labour under our current conditions could be allowed to get on with it without anyone drawing attention to the human costs. Direct or indirect, it’s all just collateral damage.

    1. scottser

      unfortunately, nowhere in irish legislation is housing considered a right. you have the right to shelter, a right to have your housing need assessed but that’s about it.

    1. Salmon of Nollaig

      How on earth do you know what Broadsheet wanted? Seriously. I’m a long term reader and commenter and I wouldn’t presume to make that assumption. Really arrogant, that sort of mind reading. And usually done by people who are not that bright.

      1. Jock

        I know exactly what they mean. They’ve become increasingly political the past year (anti water charges stuff every day).
        There are 2 suicides a day in Ireland yet this is one of the few they report on because they have an agenda. Unlike the land league they are sly about how they push this agenda.

        1. Salmon of Nollaig

          There may be 2 suicides a day in Ireland but there are certainly not two suicide inquests a day reported in teh newpaper. I think we can all assume that the Broadsheet budget expanding no doubt though it may be doesn’t yet run to continuous coroner’s court overage and it would therefore follow that they could only cover the ones that get reported and presumably not all of these. Suicide and depression is a recurring theme in the posts on this site and has been such from the outset, I think your ‘political motive’ is reading far too much into things. You keep saying in the comments what Broadsheet’s motive is and most of the time when I as a reader go back and read the post you’re talking about it doesn’t bear out your alleged motive. I read the site pretty regularly although because of work I can only comment occasionally but you seem to have some idea of a grand Broadsheet master plan or agenda which although a nice conspiracy theory is unsupported by evidence. Not to underestimate them but I suspect like most of us the ‘Sheet team is just dealing with things day to day as they come along.

  4. JoeO

    That last line in the report. That comment from the Coroner. Why would he say that? What relevance has it? A bit pass-remarkable I would have thought.

    Very sad. Condolences to the lady’s family.

  5. SLFC Ultra

    This is so tragic. I can’t formulate a well informed opinion on the case itself, all I can say it is utterly heartbreaking to read.

    What I do think is evident from the various comments is that we, as a society, MUST continue to educate ourselves about every facet of mental health. The topic revolves around such a complex web of variables, so much so that no one man or woman should assume his or her conclusion as fact. I also think it is equally important that we should not immediately dismiss other peoples opinions as fiction.
    I do my best to follow this ( despite slipping up regularly as I am a fool):
    Read, talk, watch, listen and try to understand. It is so so important.

    1. Saturday Night Newsround

      Really well said, this is the point I was trying to make but you say it much better. Thank you.

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