Hmm, documents lost, you say? More than one vehicle, however, was armoured to British Army specs – this appears to be unequivocal, so, say two, or perhaps three? These armoured vehicles would then have been used to protect the British Army against the fierce threat of ordinary Irish Folk? Funnily enough (not funny at all) Catholic contractors who took on British Army contracts in the North during the seventies were warned to desist by the PIRA (my father, being one who was warned), or be assassinated (my father’s client who went elsewhere for a sub-contractor was shot dead in Killiney in 1977). Never heard of the CIE employees being legit targets for collaborating following the uprising. My great uncle worked for the railway as a clerk in Belfast, he smuggled weapons and munitions to Dublin for De Valera during the Civil war, he ended up as Quartermaster General in the Free State Army @1930. Point being, oppressed people do what they do under regimes or government to survive. I would be confident to say that people who worked for Volkswagen in pre-war Gerrmany manufacturing the Beetle weren’t doing it for the love of the Fuhrer.
Just sayin…etc
Mr. T.
“Just sayin…etc”
You undermined yourself with that last irritating phrase. Oh and with your self indulgent family history.
scottser
get a fukn grip mr t. you’ve become one arrogant pr1ck over the past few months.
thanks for the post shayna – you’ve a very interesting family history
Shayna
Thanks for that Scottser, toe-dipping is clearly a mine-field! (No reference to wars via puns intended – sorry I can’t help myself, “I mentioned the War, but I think I got away with it”, etc… Anyhoo, I got your back!
Shayna
@ Mr T: You kinda upset me earlier in the week – on reflection, having looked again and again at the word collective that I posted on this site, it’s no more self-indulgent than any other commenters? Surely the whole idea of sites like this is to build a community of reasonably like-minded (within reason -granted) types. Every comment is surely based on personal experience – so, in light of that: every commenter is self-indugent?
You may not be aware, but this is ElectricIreland.ie Be Kind To a Stranger week. I offer you my hand – Shayna
The Old Boy
Written by Oliver Bulleid, one of the most prominent British railway engineers of the twentieth century. During his time with CIÉ, he designed a turf-burning steam engine, which was a nice idea but was made instantly redundant by dieselisation.
@ The Old Boy, I kinda think you’re missing the point? Perhaps you’re simply carried away in raptures about fossil-fuelled vehicles of the early twentieth century? CIE worked , and under guidance (orders) from the British Government to militarize their trains to carry British troops and artillery around Ireland. It’s lovely that you romanticize about the turf-fuelled train and the engineer, and indeed the engineering behind it. However, I would challenge you to provide anyone’s witness (okay, long time ago, etc) to say, ‘Oh, I was living in West Cork at the time, I smelt the sweet smell of burning turf coming from a military train provided by the CIE,, hurrah?’ It was the smell of The Black and Tans.
Anyway, so!
Covert
Shayna (and Broadsheet for that matter), that would be a neat trick for CIE to have pulled off in 1916, given it didn’t exist til 1945. The “we” Mr Bulleid references incorporates the former custodians of (presumably) Inchicore Works, which at the time of the Rising would have been the Great Southern & Western Railways.
Shayna
Fair comment, however this letter is dated 1951 and the CIE was held responsible for all rail in Ireland obviously back as far as The Rising, they take responsibility. My great uncle is dead, Major General Felix Devin, he worked for ‘The Railway’ in Belfast, can’t ask him for the specifics?
Does that answer your question?
The Old Boy
You’re quite right in that I missed the point; I never intended to hit it. I just thought that ‘sheeters might be vaguely interested in who Bulleid was, as a bit of background on the writer.
Me too!
I don’t like being told I missed “the point”: it’s highhanded.
maachew
Bulleid point…
geddit?
-is all.
Shayna
Oops that’s Major General Felix Devlin – my bad?
veritas
Oliver Vaughan Snell Bullied was born in Invercargill New Zealand. The engines and chassis of the turf burner locomotive were still intact in Inchecore in 1967.
cd
CIE didn’t even exist in 1916, they just held the records dating back pre Independance. Nice try but, non story.
Hmm, documents lost, you say? More than one vehicle, however, was armoured to British Army specs – this appears to be unequivocal, so, say two, or perhaps three? These armoured vehicles would then have been used to protect the British Army against the fierce threat of ordinary Irish Folk? Funnily enough (not funny at all) Catholic contractors who took on British Army contracts in the North during the seventies were warned to desist by the PIRA (my father, being one who was warned), or be assassinated (my father’s client who went elsewhere for a sub-contractor was shot dead in Killiney in 1977). Never heard of the CIE employees being legit targets for collaborating following the uprising. My great uncle worked for the railway as a clerk in Belfast, he smuggled weapons and munitions to Dublin for De Valera during the Civil war, he ended up as Quartermaster General in the Free State Army @1930. Point being, oppressed people do what they do under regimes or government to survive. I would be confident to say that people who worked for Volkswagen in pre-war Gerrmany manufacturing the Beetle weren’t doing it for the love of the Fuhrer.
Just sayin…etc
“Just sayin…etc”
You undermined yourself with that last irritating phrase. Oh and with your self indulgent family history.
get a fukn grip mr t. you’ve become one arrogant pr1ck over the past few months.
thanks for the post shayna – you’ve a very interesting family history
Thanks for that Scottser, toe-dipping is clearly a mine-field! (No reference to wars via puns intended – sorry I can’t help myself, “I mentioned the War, but I think I got away with it”, etc… Anyhoo, I got your back!
@ Mr T: You kinda upset me earlier in the week – on reflection, having looked again and again at the word collective that I posted on this site, it’s no more self-indulgent than any other commenters? Surely the whole idea of sites like this is to build a community of reasonably like-minded (within reason -granted) types. Every comment is surely based on personal experience – so, in light of that: every commenter is self-indugent?
You may not be aware, but this is ElectricIreland.ie Be Kind To a Stranger week. I offer you my hand – Shayna
Written by Oliver Bulleid, one of the most prominent British railway engineers of the twentieth century. During his time with CIÉ, he designed a turf-burning steam engine, which was a nice idea but was made instantly redundant by dieselisation.
Truly a man of his age!
@ The Old Boy, I kinda think you’re missing the point? Perhaps you’re simply carried away in raptures about fossil-fuelled vehicles of the early twentieth century? CIE worked , and under guidance (orders) from the British Government to militarize their trains to carry British troops and artillery around Ireland. It’s lovely that you romanticize about the turf-fuelled train and the engineer, and indeed the engineering behind it. However, I would challenge you to provide anyone’s witness (okay, long time ago, etc) to say, ‘Oh, I was living in West Cork at the time, I smelt the sweet smell of burning turf coming from a military train provided by the CIE,, hurrah?’ It was the smell of The Black and Tans.
Anyway, so!
Shayna (and Broadsheet for that matter), that would be a neat trick for CIE to have pulled off in 1916, given it didn’t exist til 1945. The “we” Mr Bulleid references incorporates the former custodians of (presumably) Inchicore Works, which at the time of the Rising would have been the Great Southern & Western Railways.
Fair comment, however this letter is dated 1951 and the CIE was held responsible for all rail in Ireland obviously back as far as The Rising, they take responsibility. My great uncle is dead, Major General Felix Devin, he worked for ‘The Railway’ in Belfast, can’t ask him for the specifics?
Does that answer your question?
You’re quite right in that I missed the point; I never intended to hit it. I just thought that ‘sheeters might be vaguely interested in who Bulleid was, as a bit of background on the writer.
I’m interested in him! Sounds like a character!
Me too!
I don’t like being told I missed “the point”: it’s highhanded.
Bulleid point…
geddit?
-is all.
Oops that’s Major General Felix Devlin – my bad?
Oliver Vaughan Snell Bullied was born in Invercargill New Zealand. The engines and chassis of the turf burner locomotive were still intact in Inchecore in 1967.
CIE didn’t even exist in 1916, they just held the records dating back pre Independance. Nice try but, non story.