40 thoughts on “A Limerick A Pay

  1. Starina

    Because the Irish Times does such hard-hitting, unbiased journalism that I can’t find elsewhere online for free.

    1. Skeptical O'Hare

      Where can I find this equally hard-hitting, unbiased Ireland-related journalism online for free?

  2. Bluebeard

    About time someone took some leadership in this. Unless we support indigenous news and content generation, we can expect to have foreign and oligarch news only. I know some of your readers will snort into their Guardians, but they are such a minority that they don’t really matter.

    1. ahjayzis

      I occasionally read the IT online at lunch or whatever, but I don’t read 150 quid’s worth a year.

      I come at it from the fact I pay 60% of that for Spotify, unlimited music listening that I use a hell of a lot. I know in the scheme of things it’s not much and not much if you ever bought a paper daily (which I never have), but I don’t need another direct debit and there are other news sources, if not Ireland-based/focused.

      1. Soundings

        Excuse me your majesty who can splash the cash on Spotify, and not convert Youtube to MP3 like the rest of us peasants.

        I reckon IT is worth around €20 a year, that is, they pay each of us €20 to access their website and be exposed to their advertising.

    2. Soundings

      Yaah, I’m a minority at last!

      Unless indigenous news organisations can plug all the leaks in the supply side of news, and get it all behind a paywall, then we’re looking at a future of free, ad-funded news.

      RTE is superior to IT for domestic breaking news, video coverage.
      Examiner is a superior read in my opinion.
      Indo/Herald/SW/Sindo has superior crime reporting.
      BBC, Guardian, British Independent have superior international coverage.
      RTE, social media have superior financial analysis
      Examiner equals its for social analysis
      As for opinions/musings, puhleese, they should be paying us.

      All the IT is going to do is drive potential readers into the arms of competitors, leaving the IT to wither further on the vine. Good f*cking riddance, home of the apology to the church for the Martyn Turner cartoon and the bullsh*t story on abortion last year.

      1. Bluebeard

        Do you seriously think all those other papers will survive while being free online? Not going to happen. Even RTE doesn’t know how to make it work. Free ad funded news is the stuff of dystopia. Only works with mass audience, and he who buys the ad too often plays the tune.

        1. Soundings

          I don’t think there’ll be a Herald in 12 months time.
          I think Sunday World will merge with Sunday Life, and maybe there’ll be a daily edition of SW with the Irish Daily Star disappearing.
          RTE can certainly survive with its €190m a year in licence fees.
          Can the Examiner survive, after it was acquired debt free a couple of years ago? I would say it can, but it needs to tart up its online operation and attract more advertising.

          IT doesn’t have any USP and has tarred itself with as many controversies as its rivals in recent times. We already have The Phoenix and Village justifying themselves on a “plurality of media ownership” basis (I regard my subscription to both as a charitable deed). IT will wither on the vine, lose influence and face a future downward spiral.

          1. Bluebeard

            I agree with your analysis, but not on the point that the Village or the Phoenix constitute media plurality. Enough people will feel their lives incomplete without the “official” view of the Times to give it a healthy base of subscriptions. I don’t think your points about their editorial is unoticed in the IT either, so they will get a few more journey and fight for the last place standing in Irish daily newspapers.

          2. Mark Dennehy

            No Herald? No Sunday Worst and fewer tabloids in general?

            My gosh, what will we ever do?

            Hey, what’s this thing I’m reading and what’s this system of tubes connecting computers?

        2. ahjayzis

          Suppose you’re right, and you might well be. The future isn’t 5 or 6 different subscriptions, tenner a month for the indo, twelve for the Times, 9 for the Examiner, 10 again for the Independent – people just won’t pay that amount of direct debits, nor will they confine themselves to one news source.

          Maybe, MAYBE, if they were all available on the one reasonably priced subscription platform (i.e. a subscription price that doesn’t assume I read every last article) I’d consider paying monthly, but for one newspaper covering one country? Nah. This will only drive readers to competitors, IT content just isn’t indispensable enough as someone else said.

    3. Joe the Lion

      How is the proposed paywall for the IT any different from oligarch news only? Is the IT in public ownership?

      Based on the perusal of this so-called newspaper’s content a good bit of is already ‘foreign news’.

      I hate that oul foreign news myself, sure where can I get some good old traditional Irish stories about wife-beatin, no abortion and sodomy of small boys, right?

      1. Bluebeard

        Why are they the only stories you like? A bit depressing for my taste. And foreign news can be very useful for putting irish events in context.

          1. Bluebeard

            There’s good stuff about wife beating in the telegraph today. It’s not even irish joe. It’s foreign. You’ll like it seeing as you’re into that kind of reading.

    4. louislefronde

      Foreign and oligarch news, hmmm I suppose that is different to Domestic and oligarch news….

      The Irish Times is a dead duck, largely boring and much of its online content trivial and not worth reading.

  3. Owen O'F

    If only you could rate the journos as part of your subscription application (interested in: Miriam Lord, not interest in: Una Mullally, for example) and get a customised sub quote…

    1. Stumpy

      I hadn’t though of ANY talentless hack for a good two weeks before your post, Clampers. *storms away in huff*

  4. Ms Star

    Those decrying paying €12 a month to access more than the 40-odd It articles they can get for free would be the very ones browbeating if the Times were to go to the wall and our news was to solely come from the State-backed broadcaster and our favourite oligarch’s media empire. Helloooo China.
    And anyone who thinks online advertising is funding and will continue to fund the Guardian’s fantastic foreign coverage, with journalists working all over the globe, is sadly deluded. But hey if the Guardian start to charge there’s always the Mail Online for a balanced world view.

    1. Soundings

      No IT means we still have the Examiner (Crosbies), SBP (Key/Cooke/?), Journal (the Daft boys),RTE (state), TV3 (Doughty Hanson), UTV (various), British titles with token Oirishisation and Denis O’Brien.

      If we can get along with a much reduced banking sector in Ireland, why is news much different?

  5. Stumpy

    Didn’t they already try and fail at this? The primary problem this time around is their erosion of quality over the last 10 years.

  6. B

    the Irish Times regularly gets it wrong. the magazine seems to be written by a couple of mates who live in monkstown and then there is roisin ingle. then there are the refugees from the Tribune. husband and wife Carey and freyne and mullaly.

    1. Spaghetti Hoop

      Yes. Get thee ALL behind the paywall and I’ll ask the questions, make the choice and pay the price.

      A bit like Cilla Black’s ‘Blind Date’.

  7. Joe the Lion

    It was very clever of Broadsheet to draw attention to Moynes’ worthless doggerel by referencing another equally pointless internet feature

  8. Lilly

    I bought The Irish Times today but there’s was sweet damn all in it worth reading. The opinion stuff is fine – and I enjoy Fintan O’Toole once in a while – but I can get informed opinion from family and friends any time for free. I’m not sure what the answer is, they have to charge but I don’t think sufficient numbers will be willing to pay.

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