Who would call their business ‘Beulah’ anything? It’s like an onomatopoeia for projectile vomiting.
Mani
Biblical name for Israel.
People are gas out.
Toe Up
Beulah Balbricker
Joe the Lion
Beulah ballbreaker
Custo
Anybody…? Anybody…? Beulah?… Anybody?
gallantman
:-))
huppenstop
Ha, very nice Custo :)
scottser
jayz, it’s like beulah print are asking to go out of business.
Joe cool
I’m thinking the same thing. Bye bye beluah printing
Stewart Curry
Beulah Bust
Drogg
I am originally from drogheda so this has been occupying my timeline for the last 2 days and i seen Beulah go from a top rated company in the area to numerous business owners in the area disassociating any connection with them. I will give them 6 months till they are out of business.
Joe the Lion
Because of course while they were quiet, discreet little homophobes no-one wanted to call attention to it and happily gave them a lot of business.
ZeligIsJaded
Bible-Believing Christians
Egg-Smelling Farts
There’s a worst kind of everything!
Mikeyfex
You’ll find it’s quite hard to stand up for your beliefs when you’ve shot yourself in the foot
I’m sure they had signs up that said under new ownership, which I took with a pinch of salt. Maybe it said under new management. Wouldn’t put it past myself to get it wrong.
Nichola
DAINTREE PAPER is owned by Daintree Events Ltd. It’s owned by Lar and Ger Barron, who also run Realt Paper. Mr. Barnes has had nothing to do with the business since he sold it in March 2014. It is under new oownership.
Cian
And the new owners sell plenty of SSM-related stuff at that.
Daintree were refusing to sell items at all to anyone. That’s legal albeit the reasoning was malicious.
This place is refusing to provide services to people based on their orientation, which is illegal.
Jesst
Daintree’s new owners seem to be making a big effort to make their position on SSM known. Saw a ‘Vote Yes’ poster inside the door and they were selling Valentines cards with the proceeds going to an LGBT Charity last time I was there. Fair play I say.
Mani
I guess you could say…
*puts on sunglasses*
they beluah it
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Mulch
never change Mani, never change
Casey
well, change your underpants occasionally. Otherwise, crack on. Good lad.
Stewart Curry
According to Wikipedia, Beulah is an underground all-female town in the novel The Passion of New Eve by Angela Carter. The book is set in a dystopian United States where civil war has broken out between different political, racial and gendered groups. A dark satire, the book parodies primitive notions of gender, sexual difference and identity from a post-feminist perspective. Other major themes include sadomasochism and the politics of power.
Sounds about right.
bisted
…prophetic
Weedless
Doesn’t look like their Facebook page is there any more.
Murtles
No it’s still up and running and now has 180 comments under the above post. I’d say they’re onto their third bottle of altar wine now tis all gone tits up.
Jack
They may be against printing some gay stuff, but their website boasts of a stock of digital beaver.
Why cant they choose what business to do and not do? If anyone goes out to a company and asks for their service(whatever it is), surely the company then has a legal right or option to say yes or no to the potential customer, regardless of who they are or what they stand for. Just because a company offers a service, doesnt mean it has to legally say yes all the time.
They should have just said nothing and just turned away the LGBT business without giving the above reason.
Cean
How would they be persecuted Christians otherwise?
AhHereLeaveItOut
1. Replace homosexuality in this story with race, gender, disability or any other non-voluntary defining personal trait or characteristic of your choosing
2. Register your emotional and intellectual reaction to said hypothesis
3. Answer your own question
Mulch
They can refuse on pretty much any grounds, except the ones which would be illegal.
This one is illegal. It falls under discrimination.
And your last line is the coward’s option.
Corky Duke
Then i reckon there are plenty of cowardly business men and women out there.
Pubs and nightclubs discrimenate all the time.
Casey
“I am sorry Sir / Love, you cannot come into this establishment in order to imbibe more alcohol as we have perceived that if you do, you may become a danger to yourself or others” is not the same as following a gay man to his workplace and telling him you do not want his business just because of who he chooses to share his bed (and married life) with.
It’s actually not that hard to understand if you really want to….
Mr. T.
Not illegal.
Mr A.T. Ist
Silly goose!
Equal Status Act, 2000, 3(2)(d)
Stewart Curry
A company does not have the legal right to say no to people if it’s because of their gender, sexual orientation, race, etc. There’s laws that tell them they can’t. Sure, these guys could have said “no thanks, we’re too busy” but that would have been bearing false witness, which is a sin.
“ If anyone goes out to a company and asks for their service(whatever it is), surely the company then has a legal right or option to say yes or no to the potential customer, regardless of who they are or what they stand for.”
Not under Irish law. Anybody who provides a service to the public must comply with the Equal Satus Act, and it prohibits discrimination on nine grounds: gender, age, disability, sexual orientation, religion, civil status (that’s marriage or civil partnership), membership of the Traveller community, family status (that’s having caring responsibility for a child), and race.
Thats correct, and maybe i wasnt clear in my statement i made about a company has the right to say yes or no to the potential customer. If a company say yes they have to comply with this equal Status Act, but they can refuse business if they want too. If asked why, then say too busy as posted above. There are plenty of reasons they can give which would still comply with the equal status act. Anyway, most people will just move along to the next business that offers a similar service.
Saying the above publicly of course is not the way to go about this though.
Stewart Curry
Lies make baby Jesus cry
The People's Hero
Such naivety and to be blunt and simplistic drivel….
They were happy for his custom for four years….. then they were not.
And just so there’s no ambiguity, “this” “equal status act” as you put it ensures discrimination is unlawful under Irish equality legislation. They discriminated. They will suffer the consequences… Either by a dramatic loss to their business and/or a complain to the Equality Authority. I would guess they’ll be out of business before a complaint can be investigated
Spaghetti Hoop
Beliefs and business should not mix. Not one person should feel offended by this. It’s their loss, literally, at the end of day / tax year. I know plenty in the wedding business only delighted to read of these immature decisions.
Quid
Don’t get me wrong I’m pro SSM, but would it be ok for a pro SSM printer to turn down printing bile from Iona?
Cian
If Iona could argue it was on grounds of religious belief, no. Reality of it is that their stuff probably is printed by people who don’t agree with it already. Happens all the time, services should be provided to all (when legal).
Locally I know the guy who runs the printing firm near me is Blueshirt as they come (related to an FG TD even) but he runs off SF, FF and Labour leaflets and probably the various small parties too.
I thought FF was now one of the “various small parties”.
Ms Piggy
:-D
Quid
Dox, stay classy dude!
JJdub
Rosemount B&B in Dundalk ? operated by Maisie and John Meehan ? are ya sure ?
Padraig
yup. BS – can I ask you take that information down? Couldn’t give a shit about Beluah, but I don’t think doxxing is ever acceptable.
Bazzamatta
“Discussed.”
Jaysus wept at that.
I don’t think he cares a jot about civil partnership.
gertrude
i know where i am going to be getting me mass leaflets printed anyway.
fair play to you father! feckin’ greeks and their inventing gayness.
Mr. T.
They’re as bad as each other. Self righteous preaching on both sides.
Most of us inhabit the middle ground where people negotiate and compromise.
Ms Piggy
And what is the compromise between treating all citizens equally and…not doing? You can’t be a little bit equal.
Nially
So they should have printed one half of his invitations?
Seriously, this is utter nonsense. If they’re “as bad as each other”, then to your mind it’s apparently wrong to discriminate, and also wrong to call any attention to discrimination. So a bad thing happens, but never gets fixed. You’re a total muppet.
Gers
Cue in a wave of insults and derogatory words directed at the business owner. Using much worse tolerance than the Business owner himself. Well done all, a lesson in tolerance. He is entitled to his opinion and we are entitled to not use his business to print whatever. Its that simple.
This company, I bet, hasn’t refused any work from the organisation responsible for widespread physical & sexual abuse of children, the incarceration of pregnant women & girls, the selling & export of Irish babies to America, the facilitation of abusers and the cover-up of abuse ….
TransOpTrans
Another tiresome and deliberate stunt by the usual same-sex marriage suspects. They deliberately picked this print vendor based on information about the beliefs held there. How much business have they given to Beulah prior to this. Ever?
Stewart Curry
According to the post, the guy’s been using them for four years.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m all in favour of same-sex marriage. Especially as it will keep at least two other people out of the misery of their company.
Casey
In that case, I really hope you are married.
Kieran NYC
Your family must hate it when you come visit.
Ppads
Lets apply some common sense. If you are a SSM couple who would like a vegan main course at your reception then you won’t be trotting off to the local butcher to get offended. Why is this any different?
Gaius
Rubbish point, people choose to be vegan, you don’t choose to be gay.
Kieran NYC
Because a butcher isn’t in the veggie business.
A printer is in the printing business. Therefore he should print. If they want to be in the god business, they can open a church.
Stewart Curry
“Though an angel should write, still ’tis devils must print”
— Thomas Moore
Ppads
Seriously, if you met him or her, the one you can’t stop smiling at, would you be protesting outside a shop because they wouldn’t bake a cake, or in this case print? My point is that this bullshit does SSM no favours because no one likes a bully.
Just let them be.
Kieran NYC
Heartening to see most FB comments supportive of the guys getting married.
Here’s hope they all vote.
Paddy
How dare these people stand up for their beliefs!!
Mr A.T. Ist
Nobody’s denying them the right to stand up for their beliefs.
But…
As far as I can see, he’s guilty of an offense under the ESA, 2000
How dare they choose by which law to abide. They were happy enough to take his business for four years.
Also, having a belief doesn’t entitle someone to humiliate someone in public. Didn’t he shout his existing customer down in his own place of work?
But it’s ok. He knows what god wants.
How very christian……
Wearnicehats
Outraged person is outraged.
Personally I think all forms of marriage should be banned. We’d all be a lot happier
Who would call their business ‘Beulah’ anything? It’s like an onomatopoeia for projectile vomiting.
Biblical name for Israel.
People are gas out.
Beulah Balbricker
Beulah ballbreaker
Anybody…? Anybody…? Beulah?… Anybody?
:-))
Ha, very nice Custo :)
jayz, it’s like beulah print are asking to go out of business.
I’m thinking the same thing. Bye bye beluah printing
Beulah Bust
I am originally from drogheda so this has been occupying my timeline for the last 2 days and i seen Beulah go from a top rated company in the area to numerous business owners in the area disassociating any connection with them. I will give them 6 months till they are out of business.
Because of course while they were quiet, discreet little homophobes no-one wanted to call attention to it and happily gave them a lot of business.
Bible-Believing Christians
Egg-Smelling Farts
There’s a worst kind of everything!
You’ll find it’s quite hard to stand up for your beliefs when you’ve shot yourself in the foot
It will be interesting to see how this pans out for them.
Daintree is still going. Under new ownership apparently….
Incorrect, Daintree is still owned and operated by same Paul Barnes
All publicly available info :
Name PAUL BARNES Date of Birth 07/09/1962
Officers Title Nationality
Present Appointments 9 Function Director
Appointment Date 08/01/1990
I’m sure they had signs up that said under new ownership, which I took with a pinch of salt. Maybe it said under new management. Wouldn’t put it past myself to get it wrong.
DAINTREE PAPER is owned by Daintree Events Ltd. It’s owned by Lar and Ger Barron, who also run Realt Paper. Mr. Barnes has had nothing to do with the business since he sold it in March 2014. It is under new oownership.
And the new owners sell plenty of SSM-related stuff at that.
Daintree were refusing to sell items at all to anyone. That’s legal albeit the reasoning was malicious.
This place is refusing to provide services to people based on their orientation, which is illegal.
Daintree’s new owners seem to be making a big effort to make their position on SSM known. Saw a ‘Vote Yes’ poster inside the door and they were selling Valentines cards with the proceeds going to an LGBT Charity last time I was there. Fair play I say.
I guess you could say…
*puts on sunglasses*
they beluah it
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
never change Mani, never change
well, change your underpants occasionally. Otherwise, crack on. Good lad.
According to Wikipedia, Beulah is an underground all-female town in the novel The Passion of New Eve by Angela Carter. The book is set in a dystopian United States where civil war has broken out between different political, racial and gendered groups. A dark satire, the book parodies primitive notions of gender, sexual difference and identity from a post-feminist perspective. Other major themes include sadomasochism and the politics of power.
Sounds about right.
…prophetic
Doesn’t look like their Facebook page is there any more.
No it’s still up and running and now has 180 comments under the above post. I’d say they’re onto their third bottle of altar wine now tis all gone tits up.
They may be against printing some gay stuff, but their website boasts of a stock of digital beaver.
Ha, that’s too funny :)
Why cant they choose what business to do and not do? If anyone goes out to a company and asks for their service(whatever it is), surely the company then has a legal right or option to say yes or no to the potential customer, regardless of who they are or what they stand for. Just because a company offers a service, doesnt mean it has to legally say yes all the time.
They should have just said nothing and just turned away the LGBT business without giving the above reason.
How would they be persecuted Christians otherwise?
1. Replace homosexuality in this story with race, gender, disability or any other non-voluntary defining personal trait or characteristic of your choosing
2. Register your emotional and intellectual reaction to said hypothesis
3. Answer your own question
They can refuse on pretty much any grounds, except the ones which would be illegal.
This one is illegal. It falls under discrimination.
And your last line is the coward’s option.
Then i reckon there are plenty of cowardly business men and women out there.
Pubs and nightclubs discrimenate all the time.
“I am sorry Sir / Love, you cannot come into this establishment in order to imbibe more alcohol as we have perceived that if you do, you may become a danger to yourself or others” is not the same as following a gay man to his workplace and telling him you do not want his business just because of who he chooses to share his bed (and married life) with.
It’s actually not that hard to understand if you really want to….
Not illegal.
Silly goose!
Equal Status Act, 2000, 3(2)(d)
A company does not have the legal right to say no to people if it’s because of their gender, sexual orientation, race, etc. There’s laws that tell them they can’t. Sure, these guys could have said “no thanks, we’re too busy” but that would have been bearing false witness, which is a sin.
The lord moves in mysterious ways.
“ If anyone goes out to a company and asks for their service(whatever it is), surely the company then has a legal right or option to say yes or no to the potential customer, regardless of who they are or what they stand for.”
Not under Irish law. Anybody who provides a service to the public must comply with the Equal Satus Act, and it prohibits discrimination on nine grounds: gender, age, disability, sexual orientation, religion, civil status (that’s marriage or civil partnership), membership of the Traveller community, family status (that’s having caring responsibility for a child), and race.
http://www.ihrec.ie/your-rights/what-is-equality/equal-status-acts.html
Thats correct, and maybe i wasnt clear in my statement i made about a company has the right to say yes or no to the potential customer. If a company say yes they have to comply with this equal Status Act, but they can refuse business if they want too. If asked why, then say too busy as posted above. There are plenty of reasons they can give which would still comply with the equal status act. Anyway, most people will just move along to the next business that offers a similar service.
Saying the above publicly of course is not the way to go about this though.
Lies make baby Jesus cry
Such naivety and to be blunt and simplistic drivel….
They were happy for his custom for four years….. then they were not.
And just so there’s no ambiguity, “this” “equal status act” as you put it ensures discrimination is unlawful under Irish equality legislation. They discriminated. They will suffer the consequences… Either by a dramatic loss to their business and/or a complain to the Equality Authority. I would guess they’ll be out of business before a complaint can be investigated
Beliefs and business should not mix. Not one person should feel offended by this. It’s their loss, literally, at the end of day / tax year. I know plenty in the wedding business only delighted to read of these immature decisions.
Don’t get me wrong I’m pro SSM, but would it be ok for a pro SSM printer to turn down printing bile from Iona?
If Iona could argue it was on grounds of religious belief, no. Reality of it is that their stuff probably is printed by people who don’t agree with it already. Happens all the time, services should be provided to all (when legal).
Locally I know the guy who runs the printing firm near me is Blueshirt as they come (related to an FG TD even) but he runs off SF, FF and Labour leaflets and probably the various small parties too.
I thought FF was now one of the “various small parties”.
:-D
Dox, stay classy dude!
Rosemount B&B in Dundalk ? operated by Maisie and John Meehan ? are ya sure ?
yup. BS – can I ask you take that information down? Couldn’t give a shit about Beluah, but I don’t think doxxing is ever acceptable.
“Discussed.”
Jaysus wept at that.
I don’t think he cares a jot about civil partnership.
i know where i am going to be getting me mass leaflets printed anyway.
fair play to you father! feckin’ greeks and their inventing gayness.
They’re as bad as each other. Self righteous preaching on both sides.
Most of us inhabit the middle ground where people negotiate and compromise.
And what is the compromise between treating all citizens equally and…not doing? You can’t be a little bit equal.
So they should have printed one half of his invitations?
Seriously, this is utter nonsense. If they’re “as bad as each other”, then to your mind it’s apparently wrong to discriminate, and also wrong to call any attention to discrimination. So a bad thing happens, but never gets fixed. You’re a total muppet.
Cue in a wave of insults and derogatory words directed at the business owner. Using much worse tolerance than the Business owner himself. Well done all, a lesson in tolerance. He is entitled to his opinion and we are entitled to not use his business to print whatever. Its that simple.
They’re entitled to their opinion but by posting it on Facebook they’re inviting people to let them know what they think of it.
Year but no but yer buttt no … but they are not entitled to break the law.
Isn’t he already humiliated by his terrible spelling and grammar?
This company, I bet, hasn’t refused any work from the organisation responsible for widespread physical & sexual abuse of children, the incarceration of pregnant women & girls, the selling & export of Irish babies to America, the facilitation of abusers and the cover-up of abuse ….
Another tiresome and deliberate stunt by the usual same-sex marriage suspects. They deliberately picked this print vendor based on information about the beliefs held there. How much business have they given to Beulah prior to this. Ever?
According to the post, the guy’s been using them for four years.
“Won’t bake our cakes; won’t print our invitations; Spar Baggot Street…”
yawn.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m all in favour of same-sex marriage. Especially as it will keep at least two other people out of the misery of their company.
In that case, I really hope you are married.
Your family must hate it when you come visit.
Lets apply some common sense. If you are a SSM couple who would like a vegan main course at your reception then you won’t be trotting off to the local butcher to get offended. Why is this any different?
Rubbish point, people choose to be vegan, you don’t choose to be gay.
Because a butcher isn’t in the veggie business.
A printer is in the printing business. Therefore he should print. If they want to be in the god business, they can open a church.
“Though an angel should write, still ’tis devils must print”
— Thomas Moore
Seriously, if you met him or her, the one you can’t stop smiling at, would you be protesting outside a shop because they wouldn’t bake a cake, or in this case print? My point is that this bullshit does SSM no favours because no one likes a bully.
Just let them be.
Heartening to see most FB comments supportive of the guys getting married.
Here’s hope they all vote.
How dare these people stand up for their beliefs!!
Nobody’s denying them the right to stand up for their beliefs.
But…
As far as I can see, he’s guilty of an offense under the ESA, 2000
How dare they choose by which law to abide. They were happy enough to take his business for four years.
Also, having a belief doesn’t entitle someone to humiliate someone in public. Didn’t he shout his existing customer down in his own place of work?
But it’s ok. He knows what god wants.
How very christian……
Outraged person is outraged.
Personally I think all forms of marriage should be banned. We’d all be a lot happier