Iggy Iggy Iggy



Augustinian priest Fr Iggy O’Donovan

Boy could he play guitar.

…Many, perhaps most of us, will I suspect find that we are being asked to vote not for the right cause over the wrong cause. Matters are far more complicated than that.

Churches have views, ideals and laws about these issues and they, quite properly, teach their members about those views. (Although in churches, there are differences of emphasis and variations in pastoral practice).
When we become legislators, though, as we do when we vote in referendums, we legislate for ALL our fellow citizens. We do not vote as members of this or that church or faith.

Of course we cannot leave our religiously based moral convictions outside the polling station, but we do need to remember the difference between civil and religious law.

We also need to remember that it is possible to have deep and passionately held convictions without seeking to have those convictions imposed by the State on fellow citizens who do not share them and may have opposite convictions which are equally deep and passionately held.

When we vote in referendums we legislate for all citizens not just members of a church (Fr Iggy O’Donavan, Irish Times)

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37 thoughts on “Iggy Iggy Iggy

    1. Stewart Curry

      “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18)

      1. scottser

        the commandments are pretty clear – be respectful of the lord and sabbath, don’t kill, steal, covet or commit adultery, and be nice to your mammy. it says nowt about gay marriage.

        1. Stewart Curry

          There’s loads more laws in the bible though, everything from how to treat your slaves to what garments go well together, to what not to eat. I wish they did an update so you could stone people to death for not respecting the yellow box.

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  1. ollie

    Either vote yes or don’t vote. people who disagree with same sex marriage don’t have the right to deny others.

    1. newsjustin

      Yes they do. Perhaps they shouldn’t, but they do have the right to vote as they see fit.

    2. donkey_kong

      can I say that about causes I campaign for too?

      Maybe I’ll exclude all the naysayers when championing fathers rights – when I propose that the childrens allowance be split between the father and mother is cases where they live apart but have joint access.
      nice one boss!

      Have your gay marriage i’ll have my fathers rights.

  2. FK

    “Deep and passionately held convictions” are all well and fine but we’re talking about the belief that being gay is not natural and against God. That’s not conviction, that’s institutionalised bigotry. I appreciate, however, what he is trying to say. I hope it helps people see outside their own personal boundaries.

  3. Dubloony

    Interesting additional note in the Irish Times report:

    Fr Brendan Hoban, of the Association of Catholic Priests, had asked recently whether “the bishops, Iona [Institute] and the hardline fundamentalists [had] any idea of the damage they’re doing to the church” by their stance on the referendum.
    “A positive result for ‘Catholic’ forces [a No vote in the referendum] could do huge damage to the Irish Catholic Church, ” he said. “Can someone in authority not say that Catholics follow their own teaching but that legislators have to legislate?”

    I think the penny is dropping with priests about the damage Iona is doing.

  4. der

    “it is possible to have deep and passionately held convictions without seeking to have those convictions imposed by the State on fellow citizens who do not share them”
    I’m glad to hear a priest state this but as far as I’m concerned he may as well be stating that the sky is blue. Although I get that I’m not the target audience!

  5. ABM

    No way I would go to a Mass with him on the altar. I’d feel I’d have to go to evening Mass to fulfill my obligation. A spoiled vocation. Hard to see how he can be of any use under the wing of the Church. If he truly believed what he preaches, he would have done the decent thing years ago. He’s best ignored. That it’s got this far is the probablt the bishop’s fault. Defrocking him now is exactly what he wants. It hurts me to think that this guy will have to be paid off.

    1. Jordofthejungle

      Lol – fake ABM has been doing the rounds as of late. I get it – dial up the crazy and invective to support and push the opposite result. I get what your doing but would it not be better to campaign positivity rather than make the poor sod, the real ABM look like the swivel eyed tragic loon we all know him to be. Unnecessary trolling and goading at this stage ABM imposter.

    2. Annie

      This version of ABM sure tried his best to create havoc yesterday but I note that nearly all his posts were subsequently deleted. Suspect this post is his work also. Not as amusing as yesterday’s but the cartoonish and Mary Whitehouse touches always suggest that this ABM is not as he appears.

  6. Laughter Tack.

    The church has rules.

    One of them is ignore the gays.

    You are either in their stupid club or you aren’t.

    Even though most priests are gay.

    The irony is delicious.

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