64 thoughts on “Anything Good In ‘Travellers’ Voice’?

  1. listrade

    The same liberal agenda that helped establish the Equality Acts that recognised the travelling community as one of the 9 grounds for discrimination?

    1. jonotti

      That;s the first point that would come to most peoples minds but why should a marginalised group only be allowed support certain political viewpoints because of their background.

      1. Rob_G

        I don’t think it’s a case of them being allowed or not allowed; it’s just one would think that they might be able to empathise a little more.

          1. Vote Rep #1

            They are all the same. Every single one of them. Its not as if it says that there is/was another two articles with different opinions.

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  3. Huh?

    It clearly says the paper also printed a column in support of marriage equality.
    It would be nice if you showed them the balance they tried to show the debate.

    1. Huh?

      And now that you have included it (with thanks), any chance you could change the order in which they appear? Because the second article is *brilliantly* composed and makes a lie of the sarcastic headline.

  4. Unreconstructed

    Who would have thought that a newspaper of a group that has stubbornly held on to their traditions and practises in the modern era would be so, eh, traditional and conservative in their beliefs . I am shocked, truly, truly shocked…
    (It must be hard to be a gay Traveller all the same…)

    1. Jess

      Its not an editorial, there is another article supporting gay marriage which Broadsheet have neglected to publish

  5. manolo

    Isn’t it lovely? Civil partnerships were ‘given’ to gay couples. So tolerant and inclusive.

    250 thousand divorces? That’s 500k people, or about 25% of the population over 30 is divorced? I doubt it.

    1. Rob_G

      “250 thousand divorces? That’s 500k people, or about 25% of the population over 30 is divorced? I doubt it.”

      Remember, in the 20 years that we’ve had divorce, some of the divorcees would have since died, and some people have been divorced more than once, so much fewer people in reality.

      (I know that’s not the point you were driving at; just pointing out that statistics can sometimes be tricky).

      1. Owen

        Curiously, how many civil partnerships are there in Ireland? And how many are Irish civil partners? (ie. not including those who became partners in a different country and emigrated here).

          1. Owen

            “1,467 lesbian or gay couples have entered civil partnership in Ireland, since they first became publicly available in April 2011.” So about .04% of the population.

  6. Bazler

    “Traveller’s Voice hears from Rosaleen McDonagh and Martin Ward”

    So why are Broadsheet only showing one side of what’s clearly a two-person opinion piece? Giving one side of a feature and presenting it as if it’s all there is, seems like a cheap anti-traveller shot.

        1. Don Pidgeoni

          Deliberately uploading only half the story to increase click and outrage is different from RTE not being able to talk about anything remotely related to SSM without having someone from the no side.

    1. Mike

      The two sides of the debate is there. In all Fairness is the second part of the debate by Rosaleen McDonagh. What Broadsheet left out was the page headers which called both pages ‘The Big Debate’

      1. rotide

        No, originally broadsheet did not publish the Rosaleen McDonagh article, because the OP only sent in the first one.

  7. Wayne Carr

    Funny how quickly some in the comment section rolled out the auld, “what would you expect from a bunch a travellers” line. I wonder who is really being shown up here?!

    1. Dubh Linn

      Some, not all is the point to take.

      Most people commenting were calling for balance in the debate and for both perspectives to be shown.

      This is the Internet, there are idiots and trolls everywhere looking to get a rise out of people. If you look for the bad, you will find it, if you look for the good, you will be happier.

  8. AL4N

    I’ve sent on the other side of the debate. Sorry for getting you in trouble Broadsheet.

    To be fair I wasn’t really bothered by the fact he is calling for a no vote. I was more interested in him blaming people who voted in favour of divorce for the 250,000 divorces that have occurred since. Or the last paragraph where he says equality could cause persecution so we’d basically be better off not having the same rights.

  9. Fe Dlowered

    My Big Fat Gay Gypsy Wedding – now there’s a TV program I would pay to see. The shtyle would be only mighty!

  10. Vote Rep #1

    I don’t like your opinion so I am going to reply with crass generalisations. Grow up ffs

    1. Paolo

      Excuse me but there is a very real problem in the Traveller community with regards to violence against gay members. The levels of homophobic abuse is far greater than that in the general public. Calling that a “crass generalisation” isn’t clever or helpful.

      1. Nigel

        There was an article about a Traveller making badges supporting the yes campaign a while back. While some were supportive, there were also comments mocking hm for being part of a homophobic society, more interested in attacking that society than in supporting someone trying to change it. It was both weird and horrible.

        1. Don Pidgeoni

          Some commentators on here are quick to attack loony religious MPs in Belfast but slow to see how they choose to talk about travellers is really no different to her rantings

      2. Vote Rep #1

        Was that in relation to my comment above? Because that was a reply to Jimmys crass generalisations about tarmacking and thieving. Seeing how he gets all high and mighty if anyone generalises people like the water protesters, it really made him look like a tw*t and was not ‘clever or helpful.’

  11. rotide

    So let me get this straight, commenters go bezerk for broadsheet not showing both sides of the debate on a website browsed by a few people on the internet, but RTE are subject to ridicule for trying to ensure the EXACT SAME PRINCIPLE applies to the national TV station?

    This is hysterical.

      1. munkifisht

        Awful point. In some cases balance is not balance. Just because one individual has an opinion does not mean it should be given airtime simply because it is contrary to the argument. In the debate however (despite the fact it is beyond me how Ireland is still such a backward quagmire in the 21st century) it would seem that latest polls make it a close call.

        1. newsjustin

          When the straightforward decision is to vote Yes or No in an upcoming referendum, balance is required from public bodies, public service media, etc.

          To suggest an opposing point of view not be given coverage because it’s not to your liking is nonsense….but I support your right to hold nonsense views.

    1. Don Pidgeoni

      “broadsheet cherry-picking which side of the debate on a website browsed by a few people on the internet”

      Fixed that for you

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