Priests For Yes

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Fr Adrian Egan

First in a short series.

When two people, not bound by blood or kin, love each other to such a profound depth that they want to make a lifelong commitment of faithfulness to each other, then that deserves to be acknowledged, celebrated and solemnised. We are all the better for it – individuals, families, communities and society are life-enhanced – and God in his heaven rejoices. That’s why I will be voting Yes on May 22nd.

Fr Adrian Egan, CSsR
Redemptorists,
Mount St Alphonsus,
Limerick.

Irish Times Letters
(Limerick Leader)

43 thoughts on “Priests For Yes

  1. ahjayzis

    One day I hope the decent priests take control of their church, you tend to forget a lot of them are nice guys.

    1. Joe the Lion

      excellent point

      I recently suffered a family bereavement and during and before the ceremonies the celebrants were exemplary.

    2. Jane

      Yeah, fair play to him, it takes a bit of courage to publish a letter contrary to the views of your peers like that. Thoughtful perspective, too.

  2. ivan

    Fair play.

    of course being an ‘order’ priest, it’s possibly easier for him to say this kind of thing because it’s not like he can get a belt of a crozier in the same way, can he? He can’t be sent to the equivalent of Craggy Island by a cheesed off bishop

    1. newsjustin

      His Superior (ie the national and/or global head) of his order could pull him up on it. Especially if they were contacted by the CDF (Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) in the Vatican. Which might happen if it was reported to them.

      My feeling is they won’t, as he’s expressing his opinion rather than presenting his view as a teaching of the church. And it’s also an opinion on a political/social issue – he’s not commenting on a fundamental article of faith (e.g. the divinity of Jesus). I could be wrong though.

    1. The Old Boy

      Not being from a Roman Catholic background, I’m not sure what reputations particular orders of priests have. However, I have found the Redemptorist priest I have met to be friendlier, more open and a little bit more off-the-wall than your average non-order RC priest. They also seem to be more likely to speak their mind publicly. I’m thinking particularly of Fr Tony Flannery who was censured by the Vatican for his liberal views a while back.

      1. Jonotti

        Yeah, they said they won’t take a position on the vote. But after the vote, if it is a ‘yes’, they will make up their mind as to whether to allow gay marriages in their Church or not. Very cowardly.

        1. Ultach

          There’s a lot of different quaker groups, including atheist Quaker congregations. They’re a bit like Christian Hindus in a very simplistic sense (apologies to Quakers and Hindus).

          1. Kieran NYC

            Yeah, but are they Catholic Hindus or Protestant Hindus?

            (Apologies to whoever came up with that joke eons ago.)

    1. newsjustin

      I think the surprise is because, to put it bluntly, Quakers are seen as “the nice-guys” whereas a No vote is obviously what some people expect from the big mean Irish Roman Catholic Church.

      It’s a simplistic view – that a Yes vote is nice and a No vote is mean. The Quakers, like most Christians have strong views on marriage. Just goes to show, there is a diversity to the No side that some people don’t appreciate.

  3. squigggleyjoop

    This is always good to see. They should set up some sort of hotline for priests who want to chat about such views.

    1. The Old Boy

      You mean some sort of thing where they can meet priests their own age, listen in on the latest gossip, or simply have a bit of a laugh?

      1. Ultach

        That would be a good ad on latenight TV3 between the bingo shows: “Do you want to meet likeminded Priests? Call now”

      2. squigggleyjoop

        Something like that yes. But you’d have to be on the ball with it as I can imagine it would attract a lot of prank callers.

  4. Iwonderhow

    I wonder how anyone can say that individuals, families, communities and society would be the better? A tad arrogant surely? Sweeping statement of opinion but not empirically tested!
    But to go on and INFORM us that God in heaven “rejoices”! I think that’s the ultimate in self aggrandisement! But maybe this ‘man’ has a direct line to paradise. I have heard it suggested he acts as if he has.

  5. Agnus

    The great Dr of the Church, St Catherine of Siena, received this quotation from our Lord regarding Homosexuality.

    http://books.google.es/books?id=bsGXhNZyUSgC&pg=PA237&lpg=PA237&dq=pg124#v=onepage&q&f=false

    The book is “The Dialogue” The Testimony is on page 237

    As for the Bible………….ALL of these Scriptural citations were deliberately edited out of the Novus Ordo Missal

    Here are the references of the Bible stating homosexuality to be a grevious sin

    References in the New Testament

    (Romans 1:26-27)

    Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
    (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

    Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders (Sodomites) nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
    (1 Timothy 1:9-10)

    knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,
    (2 Peter 2:6 – 18 ) if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment. 10 This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the flesh[

    a] and despise authority.
    Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on celestial beings; 11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from[

    b] the Lord. 12 But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish.
    13 They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.[

    c] 14 With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood! 15 They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Bezer,[d] who loved the wages of wickedness. 16 But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—an animal without speech—who spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness.
    17 These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 18 For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error.

    Jude 1:7
    . 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

    References in the Old Testament

    (Leviticus 18:22)

    ‘Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.’
    (Leviticus 20:13)

    ; ‘If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.’
    (Leviticus 20:

    10If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death. 11The man who lies with his father’s wife has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. 12If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall be put to death; they have committed perversion, their blood is upon them. 13If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. 14If a man takes a wife and her mother also, it is depravity; they shall be burned to death, both he and they, that there may be no depravity among you. 15If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he shall be put to death; and you shall kill the animal. 16If a woman approaches any animal and has sexual relations with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them.
    Genesis 19:1-25

    4 And before they went to bed, the men of the city beset the house from young to old, all the people together. 5 And they called Lot, and said to him: Where are the men that came in to thee at night? bring them forth hither that we may know them. 6 Lot going forth to them, and shutting the door after him, said: 7 do not so, I beseech you, my brethren, do not commit this evil. 8 I have two daughters, which as yet have not known man: I will bring them forth to you, and abuse you them as it shall please you, so that you do no evil to these men, because they are entered under the shadow of my roof. 9 But they said: Get thee back thither. And again: Thou camest in, said they, as a stranger, what to be a judge? Thy self therefore we will afflict more then these. And they did violence to Lot exceedingly: and it was even now at the point that they would break the doors. 10 And behold the men put forth their hand, and drew in Lot unto them, and shut the door: 11 and them, that were without, they struck with blindness from the least to the greatest, so that they could not find the door. 12 And they said to Lot: Hast thou here any of thine? son in law, or sons, or daughters, all that are thine, bring them out of this city: (b) This sin crieth to heaven for Revenge. 13 for we will destroy this place, for that (b) their cry is waxen loud before our Lord, who hath sent us to destroy them.

    Yours sincerely in Christ

  6. Agnus

    Have you read the prophecies of this Stigmatized Catholic Visionary Marie Julie Jahenny?

    Marie Julie was a beautiful victim soul, who suffered in expiation for the scandals of the Catholic Church in advance. She was a loyal daughter of the True Church, a pure soul accepted by Many of the Catholic Upper Hierachy during her lifetime as a living Saint, and she was given the title “That humble violet” by St Padre Pio, Marie Julie was also visited by Pope Pius XII during his Pilgrimage to France. Many Priests, Bishops and Laity witnessed the miracles that occured around her. The work of God was clearly made manifest.

    She gave the Modern Church a good warning – We are in the Last days, the days of day of False Ecumenism when instead of dying stating the Truth of our Faith as did the Saints and Martyrs who now occupy Heaven, we seek instead a life of False Peace, where we extend the Olive branch to those who are not of the One True Faith, instead of loving them enough to tell them that there is No Salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church. see here! Bringing the “Sword” of Truth to a world full of insincere flattery. In Christ’s Name.

    Marie Julie Jahenny, was proven to be a genuine Stigmatic and Eucharistic Faster. She spent some time being medically examined , during this time she was kept in Hospital for over a month, emerging baffling Science, shown to be surviving for years on JUST ONE CONSECRATED CATHOLIC EUCHARIST a day, with no other liquids or sustenance at all. As did other Stigmatics, Blessed Anne Emmerich, St Gemma Galgani, and Blessed Elena Aiello.

    Some of her prophecies

    November 27, 1902 and May 10, 1904

    Our Lord and Our Lady announced the conspiracy to invent the “New Mass”:

    “I give you a WARNING. The disciples who are not of My Gospel are now working hard to remake according to their ideas and under the influence of the enemy of Souls a MASS that contains words that are ODIOUS in my sight. When the fatal hour arrives when the faith of my priests is put to the test, it will be (these texts) that will be celebrated in this second period.

    The First period is the one of my priesthood which exists since Me. The second is the one of the persecution when the enemies of the Faith and of Holy Religion will impose their formulas in the book of the second celebration. These infamous spirits are those who crucified Me and are awaiting the kingdom of the NEW MESSIAH!”

    May 10, 1904

    On 10th of May 1904, Our Lady denotes the new clergy and its Mass:

    “They will not stop at this hateful and sacrilegious road. They will go further to compromise all at once and in one go, the Holy Church, the clergy and the Faith of my children.” She announces the, “Dispersion of the pastors by the Church itself; real pastors who will be replaced by others formed by hell, initiated in all vices, all iniquities, perfidious, who will cover souls with filth. New preachers of new sacraments, new temples, new baptisms, new confraternities.”

    September 28, 1880

    She assisted at a dialogue between Our Lord and Lucifer and the latter said:
    “I will attack the Church. I will overthrow the Cross, I will decimate the people, I will deposit a great weakness of Faith in hearts. There will also be a great denial of religion. For a time I will be master of all things, everything will be under my control; even your temple and all your people.”

    Saint Michael says that Satan will have possession of everything for some time and that he will reign completely over everything; that all goodness, Faith, Religion will be buried in the tomb. Satan and his own will triumph with joy, but after this triumph, the Lord will in His turn gather His own people and will reign and triumph over evil and will raise up from the tomb the buried Church, the prostrated Cross.

    And the Head of the Heavenly Armies, St. Michael adds: “Here is my fiery sword, I want to lend it to the friends of the Sacred Heart and offer them this sword for the fight because the time is not far off when all of you faithful people will have to take up the arms of Faith and courage to fight against the relentless pursuit of hell and the vengeance of men.”

    June 1, 1880

    “All the works approved by the infallible Church will at a certain moment, cease to exist as they are at this present time. They will have lost nothing of their greatness, but they will be as if non-existing. That period will not last long but it will seem like an eternity for the children of the Church who will become like orphans.”

    She frequently announced that “the enemies of the Church would penetrate into its bosom and perpetrate horrible scandals and thrust the sword into the heart of the Church. Rage has never been greater.”

    http://www.communityofhopeinc.org/Prayer%20Pages/Saints/marie%20julie.html

    Read her Biography online.
    http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/marie-julie-jahenny-prophecy.pdf

    Other Accredited Mystics with relatively unknown Prophecies

    A warning Our Lord Jesus Christ sent to Mussolini through a Stigmatic Cloistered Nun recently Beatified. Here

    http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2011/09/blessed-elena-aiello-mystic-stigmatic.html

    Take time imperitively to read this newspaper article. So much is contained in it that will change your viewpoint against the inflitration of evil into the Catholic Church that Jesus Christ founded

    http://www.johnthebaptist.us/jbw_english/documents/articles/misc/tm2_jewish_peril.pdf

    then read this accepted Message from the Apparition “Our Lady of La Salette”(skip down to the message text begining “Priests, Priests, by your ….”

    http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1846sallette.asp

    Read the warning given to the world by Our Lady of Akita 1973

    http://www.miraclehunter.com/marian_apparitions/approved_apparitions/akita/

    The Message dated OCTOBER 13, 1973 (the exact anniversary of the “Miracle of the Sun” witnessed by up to 100,000 people of all classes and occupations at Fatima in 1917) stated

    “My dear daughter, listen well to what I have to say to you. You will inform your superior.”

    “As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by My Son. Each day recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and priests.”

    “The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres…churches and altars sacked; the Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.”

    Awful prophecies given by Our Lady in the 15th century. Named as being Prophecies for the 20th Century. Known by the Church under the title of “Our Lady of Good Success

    http://www.tfp.org/tfp-home/about-our-lady/prophecies-of-our-lady-of-good-success-about-our-times.html

    May God Bless you and the Holy Virgin Immaculate guide and Protect you always.
    Sr Agnus of Jesu Christ.

    1. bisted

      …have you heard the words from the custodian of the Holy Stone of Clonrichert…’feck off priest’.

  7. James Russell

    I hope everyone is doing their part by removing no posters wherever they see them, I’ve taken down around 25 by now. Still cant believe a no campaign is even allowed, hate speech should be banned.

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