Pushing Back

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This afternoon.

Outside the Amnesty International council meeting being held at the Citywest Hotel, Saggart, Co Dublin.

Eillen King (above) and other members of the Pro Life Campaign hold an ‘awareness event’ to highlight Amnesty Ireland’s call for the repeal of the 8th Amendment claiming it has nothing to do with the organisation’s founding principles.

Update: Placard lettering reads : ‘Amnesty pushes abortion and stays silent when babies born alive after induced abortions are left to die alone in hospital corridors

Yesterday: Meanwhile, At Government Buildings

(Mark Stedman/RollingNews.ie)

Thanks Nially

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This morning.

President Higgins delivering the opening address at the Amnesty International Council meeting, ‘Campaigning for Human Rights in the Contemporary World’ at CityWest Hotel.

(Mark Stedman/RollingNews.ie)

71 thoughts on “Pushing Back

  1. ReproBertie

    Can anyone make out their signs?

    Amnesty pushes abortion something something babies born alive after something abortions are left to die alone in hospital corridors is what I’m getting.

    It’s harder to scoff at their strawmen when I can’t make them out.

    1. Nially

      “Amnesty pushes abortion and stays silent when babies born alive after induced abortions are left to die alone in hospital corridors.”

      1. ReproBertie

        Of course they can point to the part in Amnesty’s campaign material that specifically says this, right?

        So they want Amnesty to push for better respite care for babies born alive after induced abortions? (What’s an induced abortion?) Or maybe to look for said babies to be adopted?

        1. Nially

          Oh, I have no clue. I’m just reading the signs. To be honest, I think what they probably want is all women legally wed to the man who impregnated them, irrespective of circumstances, getting ready to settle into a lifetime of housewifery and popping out babies.

          1. ReproBertie

            Ah I know Nially, I was responding to the signs rather than your post if you know what I mean.

        2. Stewart Curry

          An induced abortion would be a termination of pregnancy by medical intervention, as opposed to a miscarriage, which would be a spontaneous abortion. Though it’s more common in everyday language to only use the term “abortion” where ending the pregnancy was intentional.

          1. Malta

            In medical terminology, there’s two types – spontaneous and induced.

            In general discussion, abortion is understood to refer to induced abortion.

          2. Benjamin Butthurt

            In medicine a miscarriage is considered an abortion. Plebs don’t know this so don’t feel bad.

          3. Stewart Curry

            What Bobby said – medically speaking it is, but people don’t refer to it as such in everyday language. I’m not sure why the people in the post are making that distinction though.

  2. tony

    They are right. Amnesty have lost their purpose and their spine. They used to tackle things that mattered, now it seems to be focused on “liberal yoof” campaign for O Gorman’s presidential ambitions.

    1. Jon Snow

      What issues do you believe they should tackle then?

      In my opinion it is a fair issue to tackle. You have to think of every side of every person and involved, and how their status, religion, or place may affect them in this case.
      For some it may not be a huge issue, but for some it is the matter of life and death.

    2. Nially

      “Things that matter” should probably include a woman’s right to bodily autonomy, given that there actually quite a lot of women, and that our current legislative setup around abortion led us to detain and force-feed a woman last year before carrying out forced surgery on her, all of which are things that fall under Amnesty’s purview by any interpretation.

    3. ReproBertie

      You’re dead right Tony. Amnesty are are all about abortion and “liberal yoof” and definitely are not running campaigns to try and free Eskinder Nega, prevent the execution of Salar Shadizadi or fight forced evictions in Nairobi among other things.

      Idiot.

    4. Dόn Pídgéόní

      Did they lose it now or back in 2007 when they started campaigning on abortion rights?

  3. Fedora the Explorer

    Eileen King of Catholic Comment, Mothers and Fathers Matter and now the Pro-Life Campaign.

    How wrong can one person be?

  4. Nially

    What I’m taking from their signs is “Amnesty should also advocate for more efficient and effective abortion procedures”. Seems legit.

  5. Cean

    Is that Eileen “Iona/Mothers and Fathers Matter/Catholic Comment” King?

    It’s like friggen Hydra

    1. Mick Flavin

      That’s totally unfair. Those organisations have thousands of passionate members, only around 20% of whom are Eileen King.

  6. Caroline

    I liked Amnesty when it was about sending good vibes to brown people being locked up by those awful brown governments. Now it’s campaigning for something that makes me feel uncomfortable. It really has just lost its way as an organisation.

    1. John

      You think Mick Higgins is enhancing his credibility by lending his office to that lot?

      Here’s the two-faced hypocritical runt lining up with a stupid solemn look on his face:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbWHTAzqmM4

      Any year now, he’ll get his “nationwide ethical debate” going (which was a cornerstone of what got him elected). That will be fun. I wonder what he could possibly say on the subject! He’s in no position to be talking about ethics or morals.

      1. Clampers Outside!

        He has more integrity than anyone in the Vatican.

        I presume you apply the same strict rules about who should and should not receive communion when your own family goes to mass.

        Now, if you will, think of all the “abominations” that you and your family commit that are listed in the Bible. Now, is he worse or better, or largely similar….
        And remember, it does not matter if you consider one abomination to be worse than another. If the book sees something as an abomination you must treat all abominations the same.

        Otherwise, SHUT YO JUDGEMENTAL PO FACED FACE YA FUPP !

        1. ABM

          The least he could have done (as an apparently practising Catholic) was refer it to council of State. No, he sleeps soundly at night even though there must have been dozens of deaths already. Like a true Labour party probort. For an anti-Israeli poet, he’s doing a far better job at hypocrisy than the very worst post-Vatican-II Irish bishop trendy you can possibly imagine. Glad to see him getting pissed on looking at horses today. At least Norris would have been up-front, honest and consistent. You have to give him that.

  7. AlisonT

    Hopefully they will get more support as Amnesty are losing all credibility as an organisation that should look after the weakest in society.

    1. fluffybiscuits

      Women who are forced to give birth due to rape, incest or those whom have a foetus incompatible with life are some of the weakest members of society. They endure a misogynistic male dominated society who hates them

    2. ReproBertie

      Yes, all those little campaign victories around the world (the freeing of Nabeel Rajab, the commuting of 332 death sentences in Zambia, the pardoning of a 16 year old Nigerian who was sentenced to death, the freeing of Carmen Guadalupe Vasquez who was sentenced to 30 years in prison in El Salvador for having a miscarraige as recent examples) are sure signs that they’ve lost all credibility.

    3. Daisy Chainsaw

      Groupthink of anti-choice coming out again. Keep repeating Amnesty is losing its credibility.

      Keep repeating Amnesty is losing its credibility.
      Keep repeating Amnesty is losing its credibility.
      Keep repeating Amnesty is losing its credibility.
      Keep repeating Amnesty is losing its credibility.

      Repetition doesn’t make it true… like the fact that Ireland is abortion free. over 150,000 since the 8th amendment was passed would say otherwise!

    1. ollie

      +1. The average broadsheet poster is one hate filled sicko, in particular those who can’t have a reasoned debate without getting personal. Pack of hemp wearing, tricycle riding willyheads.

      1. Chris

        Ok, I’m taking notes so I can identify these hate filled sickos, things to watch out for; hemp trousers, tricycle, willy on head, lack of reason, easily personally offended, got it. This is all great stuff. Any other identifiers we can watch for?

  8. Clampers Outside!

    I’ll be running a protest…. based on a similar logic of argument, but nothing to do with the above.

    ‘ All Priests, Bishops, ArchBishops, The Pope and all sundry clergy of all religions that did not act on the knowledge of children being abused are now to be held to account for pushing paedos into being paedos and then ignoring the resulting abused children ‘

    Well, it’s half right, which is more right than the muppets above.

  9. Just sayin'

    I’m a former Amnesty member and pro-choice. I thought Amnesty worked best when it focused on political prisoners, torture, etc. Moving into this grey area involves a significant level of ambiguity and misson-creep that will hurt it and the political prisoners in the longer term.

    Also, I don’t like this trend of political people heading up charities – Amnesty Ireland, Barnardos Ireland and UNICEF Ireland – poor practice.

    1. ReproBertie

      It never ceases to amaze me how many pro-choice people post on Broadsheet casually supporting pro-life points.

  10. mulder

    My astrologer says, to-day ur-anus will be rising over Ireland and eclipsing Europe, the message being, the usual old, same as, woe us.
    This be serious cause it be religious.
    These folk look very serious, pious even.
    Reminds one of Frather Ted, where Ted and Dougal stand outside the cinema on the instruction of the local bishop except thats not what they call him.
    Bearing signs, proclaiming, down with this sort of thing, now.
    Ye could laugh but its not funny or could cry, again and it so early in the evening.

  11. UrsCan

    They went to the wrong hotel. Amnesty’s convention was on at the Kingswood Hotel in CityWest.

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