Richard Chambers, of Newstalk, tweetz:
The blockade remains in place at Glenamuck. Concrete block outside the site bearing message “Travellers are people too” painted over.
Previously: ‘Dialogue Is Ongoing’
Everything. As It Happens.
The Parisienne walkways fella who loves his shoes is among us :(
Fair play to the residents, reactionary decision by the council based on media coverage. Tax payers unite
reacting to the deaths of two families, more ya.
tax payers unite? you sound more like an ‘arm the unemployed’ sort of chap.
Given that the residents have been assurances that the site is temporary and will be removed in six months, I think they have gone beyond NIMBYism at this stage.
An emergency decision is not the same thing as a reactionary one.
Assurances from the traveller families I’d believe before anything uttered by a local authority.
Plan A would be to trust that the assurances are given in good faith.
Plan B is to blockade a community of people who have just lost ten of their own.
The blockade is unacceptable
Assurances from the Travellers? Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile. There are plenty of cases around the country where ‘temporary accommodation’ became permanent and attempts to move on the community ended in length court battles or eventually the council backing down. Case in point is the Bray South exit roundabout off the N11. There are regular attempts from the community to move back in there, having burnt out the house they were given instead.
I’m with the residents here. Assurances are no good from either side.
strictly speaking, the nearby residents are illegally blockading a right of way to the local authority who own the property . if they persist, the gardai will make them move the cars. it’s going to go ahead whether they like it or not.
6 months…. OK.
Why then was the guarantee “8 months” and now is “6 months” and how often do you expect this guarantee to change, seeing as you appear to have such faith in the latest ‘guarantee’.
The local residents had been given assurances that the site that burned down was also temporary and would be removed in six months, its was there 7 years before the fire.
I am not saying it is easy to trust, but as it stands, the decision they have is to trust the council, or make people who are dealing with an unbelievable tragedy, homeless.
There is a quote about what does it benefit a man to gain the world but lose his soul that rings true here.
Either way, it is a tough decision for the residents, but it pails in comparison to what the travellers from that site are enduring right now.
Plenty of other homeless families are being put into hotels. Why can’t the same apply here?
Back paddling is a bugger, init.
What sort of person trusts people who tell lies?
Answers in two words please.
that is not true.
Which part is not true? I am genuinely interested.
Scottser doesn’t do answers. He’s too good for that. And the likes of you wouldn’t understand his high brow answer anyway.
Actually given that the previous “temporary” site the council put in for the travellers has been there for 8 years, they would be fools to believe them again unless they are willing to sign a legal agreement to that effect with heavy fines for non compliance. Fool me once shame on me….!
Still waiting to hear from the good people of Glenamuck distancing themselves from the shocking, disgusting, behavior of what I suspect is a small minority of their neighbors.
i think you will find the vast majority of people would not want a halting site next door to their house. do an actual survey instead of claiming your opinion as fact. whats more when the halting site opens next door to your house lets see how positive you are!
There is a big difference between not wanting something to happen , and preventing it happening by using a vehicle to blockade the road …
You can be as disgusting and racist as much as you want in your own head, but its not acceptable to act on your feeling publicly , no matter how many people you think agree with you ….
The only difference between not wanting and preventing is a set of balls.
So reason and social awareness have no role in that difference?
They are subjective notions – it really depends on your flavour preference.
Unless of course the people trying to get access are say, Irish Water trying to install meters, or something like that.
(see brave proletarian struggle)
Put em up in your field ?
you know, that’s almost as glib as suggesting the residents buy the field beside them.
OH YAY!! More of the same circular arguments and insults and ignoring each other! My favourite!
+1100000000
Let’s start a different conversation….
Anyone heard good jokes/music, saw a good movie, saw a funny dog?
Going to Sicario tomorrow night/does Steely Dan count?/my existence is the punchline to a cosmic joke/the comedy value of my dogs is very much an acquired taste: is a Labrador bitch with an appetite for accessories intrinsically funny?
Blunt is brutal in Sicario.
Del Toro’s character far better, if a tad under-developed.
Interesting snapshot of the cartels of Juarez.
Overall, MURICA!
Anyone seen Legend? Is it sh** or alright?
One of Ridley Scott’s worst efforts. Tim
Curry is good though.
Pics of the dog or it never happened…
Oh, it happened. I’m still in therapy about the Ray-Bans, the esoteric stereo equipment, the Prada boots – from when I had some cash. Dog pics can be provided, I’m not super clear on how to upload them.
Can you send them to BS? Instead of readers wives we could have readers dogs, like we did for Xmas!
Saw Everest last night. It wouldn’t make you want to rush out and climb a mountain but that doesn’t stop it being a fine film.
That’s on my list, too. Trouble is only one film in the local fleapit features the divine Blunty!
Eh, can’t watch those movies, they terrify me. I am trying to be braver at watching horror movies but failing badly.
it was that or Sicario last night and the 3D of Everest won over the crowds heading to Sicario.
Dón have you tried Cabin in the Woods? As horrors go it’s easy enough to step back from the “oh sweet Jayzis!” side of things because you’re in on the joke from very early on.
Woods are the worst place for horror movies!! *shudder*
I’ll try it if I;m feeling brave this weekend…
I will send it to BS, ta!
Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. New show that just started airing in USistan, but ‘findable’ online. Rachel Bloom of funny songs on the internet fame plays an NYC lawyer who’s horribly depressed, runs into an old fame the day before he moves home, and decides to move to his home town to pursue happiness (and it’s totally a coincidence that he lives there). Oh, and it’s a musical.
The premise is hackneyed as all hell, but the show has a really dark streak to the humour which helps, as does Bloom’s singing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky-BYK-f154
Um OK… Ha will check it out
“My favourite!”
Yeah, apparently.
You have some right bees in your a** at the moment. Must be right scratchy.
Right. You shut down an argument because I used the word ‘concede’, then threw an insult my way but *I’m* the one with a bee up my hoop. Ok.
OK, if you think that’s what happened….
I highly recommend The Conjuring. 15 cert, nice and creepy with no gore.
I saw the trailer for that and almost weed my pants
Bulldoze the cars out of the way, arrest the people blocking the entrance and costing tax payers even more money. Problem solved.
well one problem solved and about a dozen new ones created. but carry on..
Wonder why the council hasn’t just towed the cars yet?
Why not put this “temporary” halting site on the grass in front of Leinster house so..
Obvious security issues no?
people’s right to peacefully protest and civil disobedience? Or is that only allowed when Johny on the dole doesn’t ant to pay for his water and waste disposal?
+ taxes
There’s two types of civil disobedience.
There’s civil disobedience by knuckle dragging bigots, this is the one Broadsheet readers think the state should crack down on, and throw them in prison until they learn “compassion”.
Then there’s the other, which Broadsheet readers like. This involves the proletariat struggle against “the man” and law officers cracking down on this sort of thing are coincidentally, knuckle dragging bigots.
One group of people have rights whereas the other group doesn’t. I hope this helps.
The way we talk about Travellers is shameful. If anyone spoke that way about Black or Asian people, they’d be vilified but for some reason the national narrative of Traveller Hate is acceptable.
We’re a nation of unreliable insincere babies.
In my own experience, Black and Asian people behave rather well. Speak as you find?
I think it was pretty clear Mr T’s second sentence was hypothetical, seeing as it started with “If anyone…” and all.
Btw, do you really rate how well behaved every Black and Asian person you meet are?
Every, all, always, never – not much use in mature discussion.
they wouldn’t be vilified – they would be censored by Broadsheet, leaving a thread that no one understands.
Well, for what it’s worth Sido, I think BS’s new policy of moderating comments is a good move because there are a few nasty bullies who comment here and who dominate the threads with their disingenuous rhetoric, and who resort to insults when anyone has a different point of view to theirs; plus, the threads have a sort of surrealist and cryptic chaos about them when comments are removed, and it can be funny trying to decipher the discourse :)
No one cares what you or Sido think, don’t worry
Brilliant – you’re the drunk poet from last night right?
Stick to insults and work at the poetry.
This is the frog and the scorpion all over again.
I once put a heap of army ants in a pot with a scorpion. The scorpion was like a ninja! He held out till I sent in the reinforcements.
you owe it to yourself lad:
http://personality-testing.info/tests/LSRP.php
Kenny is right on this one. Travellers do not want to be where they are not welcome and settled resent a council waving the high hand when they were previously too lazy / incompetent / prejudiced to do anything about proper facilities,
Has anyone thought about blockading the residents? like, forming another ring of cars outside their housing area, so no one at all can get in or out? No getting to or from jobs. No shopping visits. They’d start getting hungry soon enough.
Why should residents not be angry about this? On the other hand; what is the purpose of moving people into increased hostility when the basic facilities of human dignity are also nonexistent?
I’m not asking about the rights or wrongs of the residents, my question was just if anybody thought about a counter-blockade. You have to admit, it would be an interesting development, straight out of left-field.
You’re a bigger idiot than they are
unless they’re having a bit of a laugh too, then i doubt it
Well in a way I suppose they are.
in a way I suppose we all are, dude
Should be interesting, another act at the circus, are you volunteering, or is that for other people?
In a west of Ireland town Travellers were allocated council houses, could some
one ask the Dept of Local Government what is now the condition of the houses
currently, how many were demolished even burned, and left derlict and at what
cost, Alan Kelly needs to examine all the Dept records and tot up how much
money was wasted, is it not time the media and RTE highlighed the mess.
I’ve seen that and I’ve also seen the complete opposite.
What about the neighbours who have already said that these are nice people go down and talk to the people just up the road and calm things down?