The idiocy and lack of planning should be funny but…
Huh?
It’s really neither of those things, just different thinking of what modernity and cost effectiveness was at the time. Context is everything etc
meadowlark
I meant in terms of linking the two lines. It seems like it should have been straightforward, have a single Luas crossing the city at the time of planning and construction, rather than now. But I believe you’re right in terms of the old lines. It is a pity, but not surprising, given they were out of use.
ollie
The luas lines weren’t linked because Dawson St traders lobbied the government not to.
Remember the self serving Fianna Fail shower? They haven’t gone away you know.
Eoin
I was told the tram lines were originally removed, back in the day, because cyclists kept getting their wheels caught in the tracks and some serious accidents were happening. I don’t know how true this is.
Nessy
I heard it was because people favoured the motor car/buses and the powers that be at the time thought that trams were “old fashioned” and favoured paved roads for the predicted rise in motor card use. Dame Street and Lord Edward street was subsequently widened to accommodate more vehicular traffic
hmmmm
trams are old fashioned still. commoners using them since they are lazy and cannot afford cars
Sam
Are you asking why they went out of business, or why the tracks were removed after that? Probably a combination of factors – trip hazard, and also cost of maintenance of the road with the track still in it.
All the good ones fly south for winter
I heard that the original development brief and technical manual became lost, therefore it was assumed that the system worked on sorcery, they then ripped it up on the advise of Rome.
realPolithicks
Yeah, I heard the same thing.
Medium Sized C
I’m betting not very.
I’m betting economics was a better idea. Probably the abundance of cheap oil making bus and cars a much cheaper option.
MrGavoB
it feels like its taken them longer to link up the lines than it did to build the whole system in the first place.
Probably untrue, but it feels that way.
Grace
Yeh it does seem to be taking ages to do it alright, but apparently the reason is the need to keep all streets open and traffic moving at all times in core city centre areas – I think they are having to stagger works over time in different areas to facilitate this. In addition, there are a ton of utility cables under the city centre which needed to be moved out of the way of line, before tracks could be laid – this took up 2014 I think and the start of 2015 too.
That’s because they’ve had to stop, cover over and recommence a few times.
And again, this, and works on OConnell St, will all be covered over come Paddy’s Day parade and the 1916 commemoration / parade a week after….. so expect more delays, and it all feeling like it’s takin’ longer to finish.
’tis a bummer, but it’ll be worth it
DubLoony
Hope they put the granite paving back down around Trinity college. The tarmac there looks dreadful.
Not looking forward to seeing overhead wires hanging out of historic buildings.
You mean, having the buildings look like they did… in historic times?
Conor
How do you think they had trams back in historic times? Hovering along wirelessly?
St. John Smythe
To make the place really historical looking, we should cover the streets in horsesh*t and urchins
Scraib
If the old tram system had been kept and steadily upgraded throughout the years would Dublin trafic and commuting be in a better or worse position I wonder?
Nessy
They’d plan for it to be worse I’m sure, like sticking in a few roundabouts for trams to use. Lets not forget that the Red Luas used to have to stop at traffic lights at the Red Cow roundabout to accommodate motorists on the M50 motorway (and visa versa). It’s really funny to think now how ludicrous the whole thing was looking back now
turgidson
They don’t seem to have done a lot since the last photo I took of this on November 18th. Maybe they suspended work for Christmas.
mike
Looks like the 3 workers remained standing in the same place from Nov 18th until today. No wonder nothing has changed.
They did.
And they’ll be suspending again for Paddy’s Day, Easter and 1916 brouhaha.
joj
another toy train train hurdling 5 kmph through the city, maybe someday they’ll have the foresight to put the next one underground
ollie
It’s a shame that the new tracks have been located so close to the already overcrowded footpath.
Also, I fear that David Norris might whizz out of the gates of Trinners on his high nelly just as the 17:01 to Cabra is passing.
Grouse eggs in a wicker basket meeting shiny aluminium, ouch!
Conor
Yeah I was just about to say that. Is it just me or is the tramline alot closer to the footpath than portrayed in the photshopped plans?!
Of course it should all be underground but that’s never going to happen in our lifetimes.
Brian Shaler
Could be 68 years,even 69.Don’t rule out 70.
Frenchfarmer
Being a nefarious thinker; I would guess that they were no longer profitable and a friend of someone in the Council charged them an arm and a leg to rip then up and then made a packet selling the rails to someone else.
But that’s just normal interpocketaction between local government and local business as it is.
Formerly known as @ireland.com
Melbourne kept its trams. They are an important part of the transport network. They do link with the metropolitan rail network, in many places.
The trams are free in the CBD, which is a recent improvement.
Dave
Daft route- should have gone to westland row and up pearse street. There will be a ton of pedestrian accidents at that corner.
ahyeah
Yep. A stop at Westland Row would have provided another link between the Dart and Luas. Connolly is way too congested at peak times.
The idiocy and lack of planning should be funny but…
It’s really neither of those things, just different thinking of what modernity and cost effectiveness was at the time. Context is everything etc
I meant in terms of linking the two lines. It seems like it should have been straightforward, have a single Luas crossing the city at the time of planning and construction, rather than now. But I believe you’re right in terms of the old lines. It is a pity, but not surprising, given they were out of use.
The luas lines weren’t linked because Dawson St traders lobbied the government not to.
Remember the self serving Fianna Fail shower? They haven’t gone away you know.
I was told the tram lines were originally removed, back in the day, because cyclists kept getting their wheels caught in the tracks and some serious accidents were happening. I don’t know how true this is.
I heard it was because people favoured the motor car/buses and the powers that be at the time thought that trams were “old fashioned” and favoured paved roads for the predicted rise in motor card use. Dame Street and Lord Edward street was subsequently widened to accommodate more vehicular traffic
trams are old fashioned still. commoners using them since they are lazy and cannot afford cars
Are you asking why they went out of business, or why the tracks were removed after that? Probably a combination of factors – trip hazard, and also cost of maintenance of the road with the track still in it.
I heard that the original development brief and technical manual became lost, therefore it was assumed that the system worked on sorcery, they then ripped it up on the advise of Rome.
Yeah, I heard the same thing.
I’m betting not very.
I’m betting economics was a better idea. Probably the abundance of cheap oil making bus and cars a much cheaper option.
it feels like its taken them longer to link up the lines than it did to build the whole system in the first place.
Probably untrue, but it feels that way.
Yeh it does seem to be taking ages to do it alright, but apparently the reason is the need to keep all streets open and traffic moving at all times in core city centre areas – I think they are having to stagger works over time in different areas to facilitate this. In addition, there are a ton of utility cables under the city centre which needed to be moved out of the way of line, before tracks could be laid – this took up 2014 I think and the start of 2015 too.
That’s because they’ve had to stop, cover over and recommence a few times.
And again, this, and works on OConnell St, will all be covered over come Paddy’s Day parade and the 1916 commemoration / parade a week after….. so expect more delays, and it all feeling like it’s takin’ longer to finish.
’tis a bummer, but it’ll be worth it
Hope they put the granite paving back down around Trinity college. The tarmac there looks dreadful.
Not looking forward to seeing overhead wires hanging out of historic buildings.
You mean, having the buildings look like they did… in historic times?
How do you think they had trams back in historic times? Hovering along wirelessly?
To make the place really historical looking, we should cover the streets in horsesh*t and urchins
If the old tram system had been kept and steadily upgraded throughout the years would Dublin trafic and commuting be in a better or worse position I wonder?
They’d plan for it to be worse I’m sure, like sticking in a few roundabouts for trams to use. Lets not forget that the Red Luas used to have to stop at traffic lights at the Red Cow roundabout to accommodate motorists on the M50 motorway (and visa versa). It’s really funny to think now how ludicrous the whole thing was looking back now
They don’t seem to have done a lot since the last photo I took of this on November 18th. Maybe they suspended work for Christmas.
Looks like the 3 workers remained standing in the same place from Nov 18th until today. No wonder nothing has changed.
They did.
And they’ll be suspending again for Paddy’s Day, Easter and 1916 brouhaha.
another toy train train hurdling 5 kmph through the city, maybe someday they’ll have the foresight to put the next one underground
It’s a shame that the new tracks have been located so close to the already overcrowded footpath.
Also, I fear that David Norris might whizz out of the gates of Trinners on his high nelly just as the 17:01 to Cabra is passing.
Grouse eggs in a wicker basket meeting shiny aluminium, ouch!
Yeah I was just about to say that. Is it just me or is the tramline alot closer to the footpath than portrayed in the photshopped plans?!
Of course it should all be underground but that’s never going to happen in our lifetimes.
Could be 68 years,even 69.Don’t rule out 70.
Being a nefarious thinker; I would guess that they were no longer profitable and a friend of someone in the Council charged them an arm and a leg to rip then up and then made a packet selling the rails to someone else.
But that’s just normal interpocketaction between local government and local business as it is.
Melbourne kept its trams. They are an important part of the transport network. They do link with the metropolitan rail network, in many places.
The trams are free in the CBD, which is a recent improvement.
Daft route- should have gone to westland row and up pearse street. There will be a ton of pedestrian accidents at that corner.
Yep. A stop at Westland Row would have provided another link between the Dart and Luas. Connolly is way too congested at peak times.
not for long! will close it down