Beggaring Belief

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At last night’s Dublin City Council joint policing committee meeting, councillors heard:

The murder rate is falling.

Property crime is down 4%

Drug offences including cultivation (-35%), possession of sale or supply (-11%) and possession for personal use (-3%).

Violent property crime is up 2% (27 incidents)

Assaults causing harm up 12%.

And…

Begging related offences are up 410%.

Four hundred and ten per cent.

Cllr Daithi Doolin (SF)  told the Dublin Gazette:

“What happens to people who have been arrested for begging? Are they simply locked up, then released back out again or are they put in contact with services that can help assist them?

That question wasn’t answered at the Joint Policing Committee and that was unfortunate but I think the reason is because the answer is not there.”

Anyone?

Begging offences shoot up by 410% (Dublin Gazette)

Dublin City Council Joint Policing Committee

Rollingnews

35 thoughts on “Beggaring Belief

  1. Grouse

    With a number this large, I would assume something has changed in the way offences are being recorded or collated, rather than a genuine rise of 410% in one year, which doesn’t seem possible.

        1. Nigel

          Doubt it. There’s nothing you can do to make Begging Offenses remotely heroic. ‘A number of beggars, whose street value has been estimated from anything between ten cents and five euros fifty, have been taken off the streets. They are speculated to be part of a gang responsible for a number of incidents of being violently distasteful to middle-class sensibilities who have been called The Homeless. Police warn that their numbers are growing, and that many children are at risk of becoming part of the gang.’ Well, that got depressing fast.

    1. bubbleandsqueak

      Yup – the law on begging as an offence was changed recently (the last year or so), to make it easier to go after the organised begging operations so I’d imagine that it what is behind the 410% increase.

      Either Daithi Doolan didn’t know this – which is very poor given the issue shops and businesses in Dublin have in the city with begging or he did know and asked the question anyway which would be extremely disingenuous.

  2. Vote Rep #1

    I remember where people on here were complaining about aggressive begging by Roma and obviously not homeless lads so new laws were introduced. Now people are complaining about these laws getting used. Damned if you, damned if you don’t.

    1. Starina

      there’s a difference between sitting on the side of the street (as in photo above) and aggressively begging, where a person feels threatened.

      1. Vote Rep #1

        what has the photo got to do with the stats? I mean, seriously. Are you basically saying that if broadsheet put a picture of an angry roma lad hassling an old man, you’d have no problem with those stats?

          1. Vote Rep #1

            I didn’t misdirect anything.if anything you have. I stated that there was a change in the law which made certain types of begging illegal which could have caused the large rise in begging related offences. You brought up people sitting on the side of the street, not me.

    2. Kieran NYC

      +1

      Are people somehow now arguing we should somehow abandon O’Connell St to beggars, junkies and scumbags permanently because arresting them for breaking the law is mean? Large parts of Dublin and other cities in Ireland are absolute dangerous kips and they’re a big part of the reason why.

    1. All the good ones fly south for winter

      Oxfam are lobbying to give chuggers immunity from all public based larceny changes.

    2. Anne

      yeah, I find them very annoying.. There was one outside my local shop with a table and his bucket for money on it, the other day.
      I could see him perfectly fine, but he still felt obliged to shout out loud at me, “support such and such”.
      I felt guilted into giving him some money.
      And I’m feeling like I’m only supporting some charity exec’s generous salary.

  3. The Bird in the Box

    Who said anything about arrests? Surely a ‘begging related offence’ could just relate to someone being moved on for begging ‘aggressively’, and such incidents being recorded where they weren’t previously? If the figures do relate to arrests, then if they are going from a very low base, then even a small increase could translate to a large percentage increase.

  4. ollie

    Are these stats based on reported incidents or arrests?
    I’d imagine that for begging the stats are for arrests, in that case if the same criteria is applied for other offences is this report a criticism of the Gardai for making less arrests for say property crime?

  5. Eamonn Clancy

    People who beg get the dole, they don’t pay rent, esb or gas. The person who throws a euro or two into a coffee cup gets to clear their conscience for a few days, while the beggar makes a nice little profit peddling pity.

  6. Joe cool

    I live in Maynooth and it’s becoming a serious problem. Outside Aldi/ lidl and other shops every day . Outside the bank. When you pass the church every Sunday morning, there are people trying to collect for proper reasons, but again there is begging going on right beside them. All roma, there is a gang of them in the area. They walk through traffic begging. The guards are doing zero about it. It’s starting to annoy a lot of local business owners

    1. MoyestWithExcitement

      Yeah I saw a guy outside the Ulster Bank on the main street. Pretty weird finding a beggar in a small provincial town. Maynooth is really coming up in the world.

  7. pc guy

    hey! i put up an antagonising, trolly comment and BS didnt allow it! i didnt even curse .. was just tryna rattle cages and get some ire goin. so much for free speech.

    1. Lorcan Nagle

      Freedom of speech ifreedom to say what you want without fear of prosecution from the government. You are not guaranteed a platform for your speech.

  8. Tish Mahorey

    Organised begging is a major problem. Irish Travellers used to do it but now it’s mostly Roma.

    Watch the beggars as they leave their spot and see where they go… usually into a car with a few others.

  9. Tish Mahorey

    Home burglaries are way up.

    And policing is gone to the dogs.

    All this under a Fine Gael government.

  10. Talismania!

    If this is up 410%, it indicates to me that the Garda are aggressively reporting on/cracking down on it, compared to the previous time period. Perhaps in preparation for the 1916 Anniversary?

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