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UNITE tweetz:

Maser’s Repeal The 8th artwork travels to Unite offices on Middle Abbey Street [Dublin 1]…

Meanwhile, spotted this morning…

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Niamh Pitts tweetz:

Someone has been busy in Dublin 2.

Eight Stories

Previously: My Building, My Choice

69 thoughts on “United We Stand

    1. newsjustin

      I hope that does become the preferred slogan when it comes to voting to repeal the 8th Amendment and remove 40.3.3. It will emphasis the value of 40.3.3 and the motives of many/most pro-choice people.

      1. MoyestWithExcitement

        “I hope that does become the preferred slogan”

        Of course you do. You know full well the power of language hence our previous exchanges where I highlighted your insistence on me using the word ‘destroyed’ as opposed to ‘ended the life of’. I said before that your whole game is about emotional manipulation and you just confirmed it.

        1. newsjustin

          Why are you so afraid of even the word abortion Moyest? Why do you think it would damage the pro-choice campaign so?

          1. MoyestWithExcitement

            Actually, in our original exchange, I used the word ‘abort’ and you STILL *insisted* I use the word ‘destroyed’. You *literally* asked me to use that word. You have nothing but dishonesty and personal attacks and emotive language. No actual facts.

          2. MoyestWithExcitement

            “You have nothing but dishonesty and personal attacks and emotive language. No actual facts.”

          3. newsjustin

            How are you ever going to campaign in a referendum to remove 40.3.3 if you can’t even bring yourself to consider the reality of abortion?

          4. MoyestWithExcitement

            Again, character assassination, spin and lies. You are directly saying that I, and anyone else who supports removing the 8th, aren’t as informed as you are and everyone would agree with you if they were. It’s a common tactic for the dishonest and dimwitted to imply their argument is validated simply by having most agree with it. There’s no critical thinking required there but that is consistent with your dishonest tactics of manipulation and spin amd character assassination. You have no facts so you need to distract people from that reality.

          5. newsjustin

            It was just a question Moyest.

            You keep talking about facts. What facts do you want to know?

          6. MoyestWithExcitement

            I’m not saying I want any. I’m just pointing out that you don’t have any and that you distract from that reality with dishonesty and character assassination and manipulative narrative.

          7. newsjustin

            Ah, I see. You don’t want facts. You don’t like my opinion so you keep asking for facts, which you can’t identify and don’t want.

          8. MoyestWithExcitement

            Love facts. I’m just pointing out your argument doesn’t have any so you lie about people who disagree with like you just did about me in that post to distract people from the reality that all you have to make your case is dishonesty.

          9. WhiteKnight

            “Again, character assassination, spin and lies”

            Haha, like you’ve never stooped that low, you worthless, fibbing poobag.

      2. Nigel

        ‘Please stop talking about FFAs and rape and abuse victims and medical emergencies where terminations may be necessary! Pleeeeeease!’

        1. newsjustin

          More like “please tell the truth about why you want 40.3.3 removed from the constitution. Cot clearly gets it, as does Nell McCafferty who was quoted on here saying something very similar.

          The fact is that many pro choice people are using the difficulties of parents of gravely ill and dying children to secure what they would prefer – abortion on demand at any time and for any reason. Heh, that’s politics, I get that. It’s not very nice, but I get it.

          1. ahjayzis

            Uggggghhhhhhhhhh.

            The real fact is you’re using parents of gravely ill and dying children as collateral damage to maintain your control over women’s insides and bodily functions. Let them be born in pain, to a short, grim life, or into poverty and abandonment, hunger, into institutions, because they’re on their own then. You’ll have your self satisfied smirk that you got your way over an uppity vagina and continue complaining about how much of your hard earned taxes you’re forced to fork over so the children you forced people to have don’t end up begging on the streets.

          2. pedeyw

            It’s quite easy, newsjustin. More people support a repeal of the 8th than specifically support abortion on demand, and the referendum will be about repealing the 8th not about whether the irish people want abortion on demand.

          3. MoyestWithExcitement

            “The fact is that many pro choice people are using the difficulties of parents of gravely ill and dying children to secure what they would prefer”

            What they’re doing is showing the real life consequences of your personal ideology being forced on people. You, again dishonestly and maliciously, are using emotive spin to paint people as uncaring and selfish. As usual, you’re all about personal attacks and manipulation.

          4. Nigel

            That is the truth. You can pretend that those people are being used to get political changes that will benefit those people therefore we shouldn’t mention those people, but it’s far, far worse to patronise them and attempt to erase or sideline them or minimise their importance and their agency. Tell them they can’t have what they need, what they should have because you’re worried Nell McCafferty might just end up having her way at the end of a slippery slope is the sort of brutal, stupid, hardline extremism that got us into this disgusting, ugly and cruel abortion mess in the first place.

          5. newsjustin

            ahjayzis – I have no issue with my taxes supporting sick children. I absolutely support it. You’ve gone all Victorian/Oliver on us with your “poverty, abandonment and hunger”. Do you think that’s what happens to sick or disabled children in Ireland? Sick and disabled children deserve the right to their lives – even if that though horrifies you.

            pedeyw – I think I agree with you.

            Moyest – no, they’re using tragic cases to advance their campaign for abortion on demand.

          6. MoyestWithExcitement

            No, justin, they’re showing you the real life consequences of you forcing your views on them and you’re trying to spin it to make them look as bad as you really are. Spin and lies and character assassination are, as always, all you have.

          7. MoyestWithExcitement

            Again, because you have no facts in your argument and you want to distract people from that reality, you are firstly trying to dishonestly paint me as angry (a very common tactic among right wing slander merchants) and secondly you’re trying to paint yourself as a victim/borderline martyr for having an opinion which opposes mine. That’s just spin and emotive narrative. It’s probably a direct response to me talking about the real consequences of you forcing your ideology on everyone. You know that people respond well to the underdog story and didn’t like it when I reminded you that your oppressive ideas are hurting people so you try and paint *yourself* as the little guy when the opposite is the truth.

          8. newsjustin

            What we have Moyest is a difference of opinion. What facts are you craving to hear from me?

          9. MoyestWithExcitement

            Pretty sure nobody doubts there is a difference in opinion. I am merely drawing attention to your method of promoting your opinion; character assassination of people who have a different opinion to you supplemented with emotive language and manipulative narrative such as your attempt in your last post to paint yourself as my victim. Dishonesty is all you have.

          10. MoyestWithExcitement

            But you don’t have any facts. Your whole repetoire is lying about pro choice people. That’s all I’m saying.

          11. WhiteKnight

            “you are firstly trying to dishonestly paint me as angry (a very common tactic among right wing slander merchants)”

            Bet you couldn’t keep a straight face while typing that one.

          12. newsjustin

            Between 2008-2012, 84% of babies with a pre-natal diagnosis of Down Syndrome in England and Wales were aborted.

          13. MoyestWithExcitement

            Ok. I don’t see any reason to be anti abortion there but at least you’re not telling lies about people for a change.

  1. 15 cents

    Maser is single-handedly keeping ‘Bello Pro’ lit as a font. This graphic unfortunately, does nothing to help get people on board. Preaching to the converted. Identify areas where people are against repealing, and then target those areas and educate people on the matter. Just saying ‘repeal’ does nothing to sway people over.

    1. WhiteKnight

      It does, however, keep it in the collective consciousness.
      And the more the anti-choicers complain, the more Streisand-y things get for them.

    2. Nigel

      Again, getting people who already agree with you to campaign and and agitate and vote is a thing that needs to be done, so ‘preaching to the converted’ as a dismissal is as dumb as rocks.

  2. fluffybiscuits

    Zuppy will never be in the position of having to be forced into a tough decision…its obvious a white middle aged patriarch wants control over a womans body

    If women had the same power over mens reproductive system as men have over theirs they could tell you to cut your balls off…

    1. rotide

      Wait, what?

      That last line makes no sense whatsoever.

      This issue turns people into slavering parodies.

    2. Neilo

      Women exercise that same power over men – figuratively speaking – on their wedding day. Can I get an amen from my emasculated brethren?

          1. ahjayzis

            He might have a point around symphysiotomy. No doctor would ever sever a man’s pelvis for no reason.

          1. Harry Molloy

            I think that particular argument is a simplification, that it’s about power over women’s bodies.

            Whilst it’s certainly a point to be made, I don’t think that it’s the primary concern of a pro lifer. Those who aren’t pro life for religious reasons are usually pro life because the thought of ending a foetus is repugnant to them.

            Donal Lynch actually did a great column in the Sindo on it, I’ll see if I can find

          2. rotide

            Liked that Article, feel like it sums up the majorities view on the debate.

            As to you fluffy:

            “men have control over womens bodies”

            Divisive nonsense. Men and Women voted in the previous referendum, Men and Women have been in government since, Men and Women will vote in the next one. Men and Women will be part of both sides of the argument.

            Trying to distill it into some patriarchial conspiracy theory is not only false but harms the cause.

          3. MoyestWithExcitement

            “Trying to distill it into some patriarchial conspiracy theory is not only false”

            Actually it’s true. “Men and women” last voted in 1983 when Ireland was essentially a theocracy and homosexuality was still illegal. Abortion was voted down for religious reasons; patriarchy.

            “but harms the cause.”

            It doesn’t do it any harm. It’s the truth. If anyone who was contemplating voting for abortion decides against it because they don’t like advocates talking about patriarchy, that person is an idiot and their worthless opinion is not worth the effort required to change it.

          4. newsjustin

            “….in 1983 when Ireland was essentially a theocracy….”

            And Moyest has the cheek to lecture people about facts. Haha.

          5. MoyestWithExcitement

            The word ‘essentially’ is quite important there. Without it, you have ‘In 1983, Ireland was a theocracy’. That would be a statement of fact. However* including the word ‘essentially’ differentiates it from a statement of fact and directly implies that what you’re reading is an opinion. But you knew that. You just want to tell lies and make personal attacks on people that have a different opinion to you because you clearly lack the critical thinking skills to form a coherent, fact based argument or theory and you lack the self awareness and humility to realise when you’re wrong, so your fragile ego takes over and you lash out like in the post above
            L.

          6. MoyestWithExcitement

            Oh, and how you said I’m lecturing “people” about facts is another example of your dishonesty and manipulation. I’m just lecturing *you* but, again, you’re trying to paint yourself as part of a downtrodden group in order to distance yourself from your dishonest actions…dishonestly. Something something rain on your wedding day.

          7. newsjustin

            Your opinion that Ireland was “essentially a theocracy” in 1983 is hyperbolic, emotive (as you’d say yourself) nonsense.

            Its hypocritical of you to complain that I use emotive language and then do just that yourself.

          8. MoyestWithExcitement

            You knowingly lie about people’s character and motivation because they disagree with you. That is much different to opining that Ireland made decisions on societal rules based on Catholic teachings and the advice and request of church heirarchy. You knew that though. You are knowingly making a false equivalence to distract from the dishonest and malicious nature of your tone and argument.

          9. newsjustin

            I’ve repeatedly said (and will do so again) that I respect the bona fides of pro choice people in wanting to legislate for abortion in Ireland.

            It’s clear that you, on the other hand, can’t stand any opinon on abortion that isn’t completely pro-choice.

          10. MoyestWithExcitement

            So now you’ve essentially taken to saying ‘I know you are but what am I?’ and, yet again, dishonestly trying to position yourself as a victim with your lie that I can’t stand “any opinion” that isn’t pro choice. You’re trying to paint yourself as a member of a downtrodden community defined by your opinion, as if I’d take this attitude with anyone who is anti abortion; that I’m trying to shout your opinion down. This, of course, is a conscious lie designed to distract from the reality that I’m only talking to and about you. It’s to distract that you aren’t expressing an opinion and that what I’m doing is highlighting the fact that you lie about people you disagree with and frame your position as part of a good guy vs bad guy narrative in order to manipulate. That’s all I’m doing.

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