France’s burkini ban has challenged Muslim integration and French secular values

I prefer to speak well of the French
But they’re causing a hideous stench
One’s clothes on the beach
Should be beyond the reach
Of the state. Don’t let fascists retrench.

John Moynes

Pic: Reuters

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108 thoughts on “A Limerick A Day

    1. mildred st. meadowlark

      You’re so right. People should only be allowed to wear pre-approved outfits in pre-approved places.

      You’re a odd scone, human. Is it coz their skin is a funny colour? Or because they didn’t ask your express permission to breathe?

      1. realPolithicks

        All of the above probably. I’m curious though as to what the difference is between this outfit and a wetsuit.

  1. human

    “no woman in a mini-skirt ever strapped a suicide vest on and blew themselves up.” – Almazbek Atambayev, president of Kyrgyzstan

    1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

      No but the Red Army Faction weren’t exactly people you’d invite around for dinner either. Nor Manson’s followers. But hey, YOU CAN PROVE ANYTHING WITH FACTS SIMPLES :) LOLUOKHUN

      1. Cot

        That’s unfair. Nuns are responsible for raping and molesting Europe’s children, and imprisoning unwed pregnant women, but not killing people (except when they killed children and buried them in unmarked graves).

        1. ethereal

          yes and if memory serves me right people were never happy when they saw people on the beaches in paramilitary bathing suits and balaclavas

        2. human

          Bad things happened in the past so that excuses wrong doing in the present…. The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one……

          1. The Real Jane

            Why is wearing a burkini wrong doing? So far there have been zero (0) instances of women in burkinis harming the general public.

          2. Nigel

            @human – No you’re confused. Bad things happening in the past DON’T justify the wrong thing now.

            @ethereal – er, exactly? It’s meaningless and useless.

  2. Friscondo

    Three armed telling a woman to remove clothing in a public place is fascism. Also anyone using the word “simples” is a gobsh#te.

      1. munkifisht

        You’re at a pretty all time low there human. Not sure anymore if you’re typing or it’s the drool from your mouth hitting the keyboard.

      2. C Sharp

        “Ad-hominem” and “cognitive dissonance” in two comments, you win forum-troll buzzword bingo for today.

        Now go outside and get some sunshine on those pale fingers you onanistic, baby fascist spittle fleck.

  3. spudnick

    Nice one Frenchies, of all the things you could be doing to continue your hitherto admirable insistence on secularism, you pick the most petulant, pointless and bullying option possible. Well done, you’ve stopped a section of society’s women from enjoying the beach.

    Wouldn’t a general ban on, say, the niqab in public have made a bit more sense instead? Hijab good, niqab bad.

    1. munkifisht

      Shouldn’t they be banning ISIS and Al Qaeda from the beach? Not sure I’ve seen any dresses blowing up (except that is it blue is it black one that was huge on twitter there last year).

      1. Clampers Outside!

        In fairness ISIS and Al Qaeda members are banned* to some degree in most of Europe, let alone France’s beaches.

        The UK for example: “There are 65 international terrorist organisations and 14 Irish ones proscribed under UK terrorist legislation.

        Belonging to those organisations, which include Islamic State, al-Qaida and the IRA, or even just showing support for them by wearing uniform or carrying flags is a criminal offence.”
        Although some want to make membership NOT a crime…. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/25/terrorist-organisation-membership-no-crime-say-greens

    2. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

      Is that the one where you just see the eyes? Ban that one. I’ve no problem with the body wrap/scarf: I find the full gear sinister. And from what I can gather it’s self-imposed, not a requirement of Islam. It’s like wearing a balaclava around the place.

      1. The Real Jane

        You might not like it, but I don’t think banning items of clothing because some people dislike them is really going to achieve much other than the harrassment of perfectly innocent people who happen to be wearing them.

        I notice there’s no talk of banning items of male clothing which people don’t like.

          1. The Real Jane

            What a bizarre question. If you want to wear a balaclava to the Eiffel Tower, feel free as far as I’m concerned. What can a balaclava do?

          2. anyourpointiswhatexactly?

            Really? If you were sitting next to a man on a bus who was wearing a balaclava you’d be perfectly happy?
            I wouldn’t.

          3. The Real Jane

            Opens up plenty of interesting discussion though:







          4. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            lol Jane

            Though, given recent French events, you would have to be an idiot or have balls of steel to wear a balaclava around the place

        1. ab

          There isn’t a clothing equivalent worn by male Muslims, though.
          I admire French secularism and understand whey they’re going overboard with this.
          I think I’m quite liberal but I guess there are times when I see the point of illiberalism dressed up as secularism as in this case.

          1. The Real Jane

            Yeah, there’s a reason for that.

            it’s interesting though that in the wake of an onslaught of almost entirely male violence, the question we need to ask is, what should women be allowed to wear to stop this happening?

          2. anyourpointiswhatexactly?

            It’ll do eff all to stop anything, granted. I don’t really get the beach burkini ban (well, I do but think it’s bananas) but I do get the ban in schools. I guess it’s hard to be a secular state in a fair way, really.

          3. anyourpointiswhatexactly?

            Niqabs REALLY get my goat. Every time I see a woman wearing one I just want to shake her. It’s not as if Allah demanded it. It’s like a form of smug subservience that irritates me.

          4. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            That’s an interesting viewpoint. Frankly, I want to shake women who read fashion magazines and spend stupid money on clothes and makeup.

            Women everywhere are pressured socially into dressing “as women should” whether that be a burqa or a dress or makeup or whatever (although not equivalent). Its way more complicated than quick lets save the oppressed because some women want to dress that way. That’s their business. Some women are coerced but then some white women are coerced to dress a certain way too. Which is why I quite often get dyke screamed at me out of car windows because I dress lesbian chic a lot.

        2. spudnick

          And if there were a Catholic equivalent of a niqab. would you feel the same? Or is it more likely that we’d have justified uproar over the affront to women?

          There’s no male equivalent of the niqab, and you know it. That’s the whole point. Western secularism views the niqab is an oppression of women. Though some people seem to struggle with that in their daily which-is-worse-racism-or-sexism mental conflict.

          1. anyourpointiswhatexactly?

            Yup, I’d feel the same if Catholic women chose to/had to wear the niqab. I think it’s bullsh*t in any religion.

          2. anyourpointiswhatexactly?

            Well the French are making it their business in enforcing a secular state, in particular in their schools.

  4. Spaghetti Hoop

    The humiliation that these women are experiencing in having to de-robe in from of armed guards; definitely contravenes human rights, and I hope the French are defeated on this before it gets out of hand. The irony is that women in other countries are told to cover up. Who placed the authorities in charge of what women wear?

    1. Maidhcí

      I’m sure that 90% of the women know about the ban and are aware that they make be asked to de-robe. The law of the land must be respected however ridiculous. Would any women be welcomed in down town Riyhad wearing a short skirt etc. etc.

      1. The Real Jane

        So in order for France to be safe, it must become Saudi?

        Also, not de-robe, disrobe.

        Hopefully we’ll also get some laws against surfer’s wetsuits in the name of freedom too, since that’s really all the burkini is – a wetsuit with a hood and a neoprene tabard.

      2. Nigel

        How is any of that relevant to criticising and objecting to stupid and bad laws? Should people in free countries not do that because people in less free countries can’t? Is that how it works?

      3. Iwerzon

        “I’m sure that 90% of the women know about the ban and are aware that they make be asked to de-robe.” – stupid, dangerous and discriminatory ‘laws’ are there to be challenged in any democracy.

    1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

      Especially fat disgusting old French men who wear speedos. A crime against humanity if ever there was one.

      1. human

        Don its funny how you hate white men so much considering you were made in a white man’s scrotum…..

          1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            Actually, I am

            That pop? That’s the sound of human’s head exploding as he tries to work this out.

          2. human

            So your a non white person who comes on here and regularly advocates against white people…. what would make you a racist.

          3. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            You don’t understand what either racism or advocate mean.

            And I just do it against you, lover. *mwah*

          4. human

            So don we have established today that your a large black lesbian….. I think your just scared white girl with a daddy complex…..

          5. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní


            And no, wrong again! Toddle off now dear, before you embarrass yourself again

          6. human

            “Which is why I quite often get dyke screamed at me out of car windows because I dress lesbian chic a lot.” Why do you make stuff up? Is it a cry for attention ?

          7. Nigel

            human, even as a racist, sexist, homophobic attack on someone, that’s an atrociously poor effort. If it were any more disjointed you could roll it up in a carpet.

          8. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            Nigel – my theory is human is just a troll character on here, set up to ‘annoy’ us liberals. However, whoever runs him is so bad at it, they can’t even come up with decent insults. That’s why he never comments more than once or twice. Enough to ruffle feathers but never too make a point stick. Not someone to be taken seriously at all. In fact, the opposite is more fun.

  5. Junkface

    The burkini is definitely not as bad as the full burkha. Its quite similar to a wetsuit except that its made of a lighter, breathable material. Muslim women should be allowed to wear them on the beach, the French are being ridiculous about this. I think that a lot of this is related to political movement in the south of France. Le Pen is doing better in the polls and the terror attack in Nice makes the politicians currently in power want to look like they are doing something about radical Islam. Its a politcal misstep really.

    1. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

      Election innit? And it’s not just Muslim women who like to cover up at the beach either, myself included. The sun is your enemy and wishes to kill you.

  6. Clampers Outside!

    If it covers the face, get out of the public place…. including helmets and balaclavas and religious or cultural traditions.

    Open society means open communication and facial expression is a massive part of communication.

    As for the burkini… I don’t care, the face is not covered.

  7. Formerly Known As @ireland.com

    I would label myself as an extreme secularist but police hassling a woman on the beach is going too far.

      1. Janet, I ate my avatar

        There has been a huge exodus of Jews leaving for Israel over the last two years from France

    1. shitferbrains

      ” at the religious beach for women in Tel Aviv ” Not quite the same thing. Although the police action above was crude in the extreme and just like the religious police in Saudi Arabia .

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