‘It’s Time Now To Right The Awful Wrong’

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This morning.

At the Project Arts Centre in Temple Bar, Dublin.

The launch of the Coalition to Repeal the Eighth Amendment, at which convener of the coalition Ailbhe Smyth (speaking in the top pic) said:

The interesting thing about this whole movement, I think, is that it’s, it has a hugely positive spirit. This is not the old, depressing, melancholic kind of campaign that we had to undertake in 1983, in 1982, in 2002 – this is so much more positive, and so much more upbeat. There’s a great sense of determination…”

I think we do know, and I think Ireland, as a whole, recognises that the sham has to stop. We have to stop pretending that abortion isn’t a reality for women in this country. Yes it is. And we need to take account of that and provide for it in an appropriate way. And, really, the time for hiding is definitely over. It’s time now to right the awful wrong that has been done  to women for so long and put our house in order.

“So, we’re calling on Government to take its courage in its hands and to move quickly now; to right this dreadful wrong.”

Pics via Martina Quinn and Alice PR and Events

101 thoughts on “‘It’s Time Now To Right The Awful Wrong’

  1. MoyestWithExcitement

    How dare they! Do they not realise some very important Broadsheet comment section regulars don’t like being beaten over the head like this?

    1. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

      This could be a good one. I’m promoting this tab to it’s own window on a seperate monitor.
      -What time is kick-off?

      1. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

        As I sit here, looking at the above comment, still in the Limbo of ‘moderation’ after 15+ minutes I think to myself, I should have attached a link to my name to an appropriate song, or something….
        – then I remember, I can do that later, when things really kick off…

    1. Condor

      Zuppy, you really shouldn’t believe everything you read. Your opinions are out-dated, and ill-informed. You need to open your mind and get with the times. In a few years, the majority will prevail and we’ll have a more sensible and humane attitude to Abortion. You need to get used to that idea, as you’ll have to life with it for the rest of your life. http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/pepsi.asp

      1. sǝɯǝɯʇɐpɐq

        ♪ Get in line, keep the time with the drum….♫

        Sue me for Blasphemy if you want, but isn’t this a job for the omnipotent One in the sky?
        – Yeah, that Guy, the one who does nothing except miracles. I forget His name.

    2. Daisy Chainsaw

      Really Zuppy? Do you believe Santa leaves presents for you, your dog “went to live on the farm” too and a teenage virgin was impregnated by god?

      Some gullible eejits who’ll believe anything if it’s on the internet.

        1. Daisy Chainsaw

          Yep. They’re used for research purposes, rather than flavouring. Do you know that Planned Parenthood were exonerated, but the liars looking to buy the body parts were indicted?

          1. Zuppy International

            So you’re ok with corporations dealing in the remains of dead babies? For research, vaccines, etc?

            Would you allow a similar market in Ireland?

          2. Daisy Chainsaw

            Women donate miscarried foetuses and ones lost to FFA to science to further research into fatal genetic and chromosomal abnormalities all the time. This isn’t shocking new news.

            It doesn’t surprise me in the slightest that you frame it as a commercial enterprise… But that’s what the prolie organisations are reduced to now. Shaming women and lying.

          3. Zuppy International

            So aborted babies are – without consent from the mothers – ok to be sold to corporations, manufactured into vaccines and who knows what else before being consumed by other living people?

            You abortion huggers have no moral compass at all.

          4. Nigel

            I hear they take the organs out of dead people. And put them in other people. Who could possibly be okay with that?

          5. ReproBertie

            Aborted fetuses are not used to make vaccines. This is another lie spread by anti-vaccination campaigners.

  2. Eamonn Clancy

    I think the present system is fine; take the boat, morning after pill or…and this is a very, very, very long shot, how about trying some contraception?

    1. Condor

      Contraception can fail. Even if failure rates are <1%, that's still a lot of women who will end up unintentionally pregnant. What are they to do? They should have the freedom to choose that, not you.

    2. ahjayzis

      Soon as they move all clinics dealing with prostrate issues and vasectomies to Britain, I’ll get on board with that.

    3. Bob

      How can the present system be fine? If you’re pro-choice, people can’t get abortions without leaving the country. If you’re anti-abortion, people are able to leave the country to have abortions. So neither side has it the way they want and the people in between suffer. It’s a case of everyone losing.

    4. Janet, I ate my avatar

      the people most able to afford the trip financially and emotionally are often the ones who need it the least

  3. On The Buses

    I’m hoping this particular argument will carry and then we can apply it to cannabis. Everyday dozens of Irish people fly to America and the Netherlands and avail of legal cannabis, lets stop this sham and allow cannabis here.

    1. Daisy Chainsaw

      It’s ridiculous that 60 year old propaganda films (Reefer Madness etc) seem to be the foundation for anti – cannabis laws. Regulate it, tax it and make it available on prescription to people who need it.

      It’s not something I’ve ever wanted or needed to take, but I’m not going to stop others simply because it’s not for me!

  4. newsjustin

    “The interesting thing about this whole movement, I think, is that it’s, it has a hugely positive spirit.”

    A positive spirit is so important when one is campaigning to end human life. Gotta keep things light.

    1. ahjayzis

      Well it’s bound to be more upbeat than the ‘cheerily strapping sluts to the birthing bed’ side of the argument.

      1. newsjustin

        Except no one has ever thought of or said that except you and maybe some other pro-choice angry people.

        1. Bob

          What’s wrong, you don’t like it when anyone who isn’t you uses emotive hyperbole to get their point across?

          1. MoyestWithExcitement

            Did you deliberately choose to ignore his use of the word ’emotive’? What about ’emotive spin’ instead. Better?

          2. ReproBertie

            “one is campaigning to end human life”

            This is hyperbole as the aim of the campiagn is not to end human life.

        2. LW

          Actually I know a dude who says that. He doesn’t say cheerily though, in fairness. You could remove the cheerily or substitute “with grim determination”

          1. newsjustin

            OK. I stand corrected. Ahjayzis, some angry pro choice people and the guy that you know say or think that.

        3. ahjayzis

          Oh I’m sorry, I forgot you have no issue whatsoever with the willy nilly ‘ending of human life’ so long as the ‘perpetrators’ travel 40 minutes east.

          That’s just twisted, really, isn’t it?

          1. newsjustin

            Why do you assume I have no issue with it? I’m against abortion, whereever it happens. It’s just that I live in Ireland and am an Irish citizen so likely to comment on Irish affairs.

            For example – I’m against abortion when it takes place in China to limit family size. I’m against abortion in India where it’s used to abort girls. I’m against abortion in the UK where the foetus has a cleft palate.

            These are just a handful of scenarios in a handful of countries where I’m again abortion. I’m against abortion in all circumstances, except to save the life of a pregnant mother.

          2. ahjayzis

            …but not the health of a pregnant woman.

            But is it murder? I mean ‘ending of human life’ sounds like you think it’s murder.

            If it’s murder why aren’t you marching on the Dail calling for the prosecution of women murdering Irish citizens abroad?

            Is geography such a big factor in murder cases with you? I mean if honour killings are allowed in Afghanistan is it really murder?

            I mean, otherwise it just sounds like Nimbyism. Do what you want ladies, just suffer the inconvenience of travel first. Strong principle.

          3. Don Pidgeoni

            So against abortion wherever it happens except when, somehow, the woman is more important than “ending human life”.

            Cool.

    2. ReproBertie

      I think it would be really helpful to the discussion newsjustin if you could tell us exactly when the human life in question begins.

      1. ahjayzis

        Or what measures he advocates in law to prevent Irish women from travelling to England to commit what in his view is the murder of other Irish citizens.

        If it’s murder in Ireland, it’s murder in England – how anyone who believes it’s murder can stand by and do nothing is beyond me.

        1. Daisy Chainsaw

          Compulsory pregnancy tests for all women and girls of child bearing age at airports, ports and the Dublin train to Belfast is the only way to ensure these murders don’t take place.

        2. newsjustin

          Any law to prevent the free movement of people is unworkable. I don’t believe abortion should be legal in Ireland or elsewhere. But one can’t convict anyone for something that occurs in another jurisdiction, where it is legal.

          The solution is in convincing other societies that they should protect the unborn from abortion as Ireland seeks to.

          1. Daisy Chainsaw

            This isn’t the about “the free movement of people”, it’s the free movement of women. Irish abortions happen every day. The hypocrites have decreed that Irish abortions won’t happen in Ireland, but the hypocrites don’t care enough about unborn babies being murdered to be bothered policing women to prevent them going abroad. The Laundries get bad press these days too, so no re-opening pregnancy concentration camps for fallen sluts so the hypocrites just bitch impotently onliine about murdering unborn babies and casting scorn on the women and girls faced with crisis pregnancies, offering nothing but lies about cancer and child abuse.

          2. newsjustin

            Daisy. I’m sorry that I don’t think dragging women off boats and planes is a sensible solution here.

          3. ahjayzis

            Well let’s take free movement out of the picture.

            Should a woman who’s taken the morning after pill be examined and possibly prosecuted for infanticide?

            If not the morning after pill, what about the <10 weeks abortion pill? Full murder charge there then, yeah?

            Do you think the state is doing enough to hunt down and bring these child killers to justice?

          4. Daisy Chainsaw

            So the baby murderers get away with killing unborn children because lazy hypocrites don’t care as long as Irish abortions don’t actually happen in Ireland

          5. ahjayzis

            But has anyone been prosecuted for taking the pill?

            If hundreds of irish citizens are being murdered in our own land, in defiance of our laws – shouldn’t there be a Garda investigation?

            Are you satisfied enough is being done to root out and punish these women?

        1. ReproBertie

          In which case the morning after pill is abortion as it prevents this human life from attaching to the uterus resulting in the loss of the pregnancy. Do you object to the morning after pill?

          1. ReproBertie

            OK, what about in vitro fertilisation? That, by your definition, creates life and then aborts it. Do you object to IVF?

          2. Daisy Chainsaw

            So from the moment of fertilisation, the woman is reduced to status of carrier and her rights are superceded by a potential period.

          3. Daisy Chainsaw

            No? That’s all you’ve got? An ethics committee ruled that Michelle Harte’s zygote was deemed more important than her cancer. She’s dead now because of the 8th amendment. Is it better that a woman dies, rathen than murder her unborn baby?

          4. newsjustin

            No. If the life of the mother is at risk, the pregnancy should be aborted. Otherwise both mother and baby could die.

          5. ahjayzis

            Life can be at risk but not imminently at risk. If a cancer is found in month 3, and a delay in treatment will likely make it terminal, say, dead within a year – there’s no real threat to the foetus.

            Should the mother be forced to forgo cancer treatment until she’s finished hosting the second person inside her?

          6. Daisy Chainsaw

            At the time of the decision, it was only Michelle Harte’s health that was at risk, so the zygote was prioritised, as per the explicit wording of 8th amendment. The danger of her dying from cancer hadn’t tipped over into the 51% bracket at that point. By the time she was deemed cancerous enough to deserve an abortion, she was dying.

        2. ahjayzis

          So you believe it’s a ‘life’ before implantation.

          But is it a pregnancy before implantation?

          Do you believe this single cell organism should be conferred immediate citizenship? Included among population statistics? Issued a PPS number prior to birth? Should children’s allowance be backdated nine months? Can one secure a school waiting list place when one day pregnant? Upgrade ones status on the housing list?

          Do you support inquests and funeral grants for miscarriages?

          1. newsjustin

            Yes.

            I’m not sure. I think “pregnant” may specifically relate to an implanted zygote. What matters is that the human life immediately before and after implantation is the same.

            I think it can wait for “citizenship”, but it obviously has rights. They are acknowledged in our constitution.

            Really statistics. Could do – or record pregnancies, or not.

            PPS. No need. Just do it at birth.

            No to backdating CA. That’s my personal preference. Although I can see the argument for it.

            Perhaps one could secure a school place. But maybe you’d need a PPS and maybe a name. Guess you could.

            Could defo flag it with the housing agency/authority. You’re likely to need the extra room.

            Yes to both inquests and funeral grants. Inquests if cause of death unknown.

          2. Don Pidgeoni

            In up to 75% of cases of recurrent miscarriage, there is no known cause. For most cases of single miscarriages, the foetus was, and this is a medical term, fupped and not compatible with life. Whose going to pay for all the genetic tests, because that’s the only way to know she didn’t kill it. And even then, you can’t be sure. What if she drank, ride a bike, laughed too much? You’re one step away from institutionalising women being jailed for miscarriage, something you claim to be against. You’re so busy tying yourself in moral knots that you come out looking like a total a&£hole.

          3. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            But think of all the jobs that amount of red tape and bureaucracy would generate. Not to mention the backhanders.Bad for women, great for the economy!

          4. Dόn 'The Unstoppable Force' Pídgéόní

            “The range of verdicts open to a Coroner or jury include accidental death; misadventure; suicide; open verdict; natural causes (if so found at inquest) and in certain circumstances, unlawful killing.”

            Oh sure, no blame there at all. Have you ever been involved in an inquest? Because I have and boy, there is blame for donkeys.

    3. Janet, I ate my avatar

      or a positive spirit of trusting a fully grown human to do what she wants with her body without being judged by some busy body with a God obsession

  5. Peter Dempsey

    The pro choice movement USED to have a positive spirit. And the pro lifers were gnarly religious freaks with crucifixes. Times change. The pro lifers have a lot of pleasant looking young women in the ranks. While the pro choice people are po-faced, sour, so angry and bitter

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