Muslims In Media

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This morning.

At the Ashling Hotel in Dublin.

Spoken word artist Raneem Salah performs at a conference entitled Muslims in the Media: Challenging misconceptions organised by the Immigrant Council of Ireland.

#muslimsinmedia

 

85 thoughts on “Muslims In Media

  1. Phelem Mooney

    The candence of these ‘spoken word artists’ is hilarious!

    Keep it up for my comedic enjoyment.

  2. Clampers Outside!

    On that note, we do need balance, and balance includes criticism and that means the media should give a voice to ex-Muslims who speak from experience.

    Facebook should stop banning ex-Muslims from speaking out about the problems in Islam – From The Council of Ex-Muslims UK – http://ex-muslim.org.uk/2016/02/facebook-stop-censoring-arab-ex-muslims-and-freethinkers-now/

    Social justice types need to stop closing down freespeech from ex-Muslims on campuses – http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ex-muslim-human-rights-campaigner-maryam-namazie-banned-warwick-university-because-shed-offend-1521248

    Islam needs to take a long look at itself… moaning about media portrayals isn’t going to fix the problems inherent in Islam, as it makes no effort to look at ‘why’ these problems exist.

      1. spider

        Yeh, coz Christians have it all sorted… with their rape of children, protection of pedophiles and rapists… blocking of people leaving their ‘establishment’. I think they also need to take a long hard look…

    1. Tony

      Your language Clampers. ‘Ex muslims’? Like it’s a cult that people escape from? ‘Problems in Islam’? Like the faith is flawed, not the regimes that claim to represent it? are you a scumbag islamophobe? Hope not.

      1. ahjayzis

        A book, of any religion, purporting to represent the undiluted Word of God that can be interpreted in 500 million different ways varying from universal love to universal war is a flawed work.

        Either God needs an editor or it was written by primitive man. Either way it’s so flawed as to be laughable.

      2. Rob_G

        @ Tony

        “Like it’s a cult that people escape from?”

        – yes. Do you know what the punishment for apostates is?

    2. Friscondo

      All religious fundamentalists need to take a long look at themselves. The demonisation of Muslims is now perfectly acceptable in the media and “polite” company. This wold be unacceptable if applied to Catholics or Jews, for instance, who of course have their own fundamentalist branches. People in the west don’t want to acknowledge is that the main driver of extremism is the deliberate destabilising of a whole region by Christians and Jews. It’s not too long ago either since fundamentalist Catholics ruled the roost in this country, so people in glass houses should be careful where they throw their stones. My son has Muslims in his class, I’ve met their parents and they seem perfectly reasonable people. Their personal religious beliefs are none of my business, just as my lack of same is none of theirs.

      1. Clampers Outside!

        “All religious fundamentalists need to take a long look at themselves.” Hear, hear! I too have met Muslims and friends with them on Facebook, and have enjoyed travel in a few Muslim countries.

        It’s none of anyone’s business until religion fundamentalists act. And when they do, we should be allowed discuss the problems without being called silly names that shut down that conversation.

      2. Neilo

        Catholics and Jews are vilified regularly: the former for being enablers of industrial-level kiddyfiddling and the latter for killing Jesus, controlling the media and generally being a bit too alter-kocker Jewy like Mel Brooks, instead of sexy Jewy like Gal Gadot or Lizzy Caplan.

        1. Dόn Pídgéόní

          The ‘controlling the media’ line is generally only used by certain groups and much of the anti-catholic sentiment comes from Catholics

          1. Friscondo

            The Catholic Church is, not Catholics, and Jews, only on the fringes of far right opinion, certainly not in main stream media. Bigotry is bigotry, no matter who it’s directed at.

    3. Mayav

      You’re Irish. We have faced bigotry and oppression for a couple of centuries in different parts of the world. Shame on you for villifying Muslims.

      1. Clampers Outside!

        Sorry what… plse, explain how the two are similar, I wasn’t aware of any “jihadis” on the famine ships or what ever other method of transport used to get off this island.

        I didn’t vilify any one, please do point out where the abuse and disparaging remarks are in my comment.

        When you find none, please remember that your actions are those of a regressive, to assume something was said when it was not, and then to call for shame on that person.

        You my friend are the backward anti-freespeech regressive left type who doesn’t allow discussion on sensitive matters like Islam. Sorry, but I’ll take informed opinions from Muslims and ex-Muslims and not some virtue signalling regressive.

        1. Mayav

          Anti free speech? Where have I called for you to be arrested? And the Irish Jihadis joined either the IRA or the mob. You’d be happy for British people to talk about Ireland needing to change its culture and talking about Irish men probably being terrorists because of the IRA? Few things disgust me more than seeing a fellow Irish person demeaning other oppressed peoples.

          1. Starina

            clampers doesn’t see the parallels between Brits painting all Irish as poorly bred terrorists and westerners painting all Muslims as jihadis.

          2. Clampers Outside!

            No Starina, I just don’t believe we can paint the two the same.

            Also, I don’t see anywhere in the mainstream media where ALL Muslims are painted as jihadis, and I believe Muslim and ex-Muslim scholars know more about the problems in Islam then the vast majority of westerners and it is better to listen to them.

            But you can go on thinking what you want, that’s your choice.

          3. Mayav

            “It’s this type of nonsense that shuts down conversation.”

            Conversation? Why should anyone respect the right wing racist talking points you’re copying and pasting from lunatics on the Internet?

          4. Dόn Pídgéόní

            I don’t see how one group committed to violence in the name of ideology is the same as another group committed to violence in the name of ideology. Completely different.

            Of course it happens, that the whole problem being discussed. Try reading about the newsreader in the UK who was reporting the news about Nice while wearing a hijab and the response to that for a good example. Even if it is the sun.

          5. Mayav

            “clampers doesn’t see the parallels between Brits painting all Irish as poorly bred terrorists and westerners painting all Muslims as jihadis.”

            It’s as if racists like Clampers have cognitive problems.

          6. Clampers Outside!

            Way to go with the name calling and attempts at shutting down, thanks for proving a point.

            Why don’t you guys read about what is happening in France, Germany and Sweden. Or maybe you guys don’t want to view the truth, you just want to stay virtue signalling from your safe spaces…. I dunno…. pathetic.

            Here, this is for you guys, maybe you’ll see the difference after reading this – https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2005/jul/11/northernireland.july7
            In short…. “We rarely, if ever, called the IRA bombings “Catholic” terrorism because we knew enough to realise that this was not essentially a religious campaign.”

          7. Dόn Pídgéόní

            I didn’t call you anything. That’s moyest btw, I would ignore.

            I know what is happening. I don’t believe that is religious. I do think it is cultural. I do think it is interesting that women’s rights are being selected in this way to further some pretty nasty ideas when they are ignored any other time. For example, most sex offenders the UK are white and while Rotherham and Oxford were horrific, is wasn’t just “PC” that key out continue. Those girls were ignored because they were poor and white – chavs who lie. Whose going to believe them? That’s why they were chosen, so it’s also about how certain women are valued in society.

            Research on those radicalised also shows it is nothing to do with religion buta lot to do with disenfranchisement, much as I would imagine happened with the IRA. The guardian did a great piece on a group of boys from Brighton who went to Syria and were killed. They were radicalised initially through crime. So claiming it is simply due to religion as you do is incorrect, it is much more complicated than that. There is also a research group on radicalisation at kings university in the UK who have great reports on this and more.

            That’s all from me.

          8. Clampers Outside!

            The name calling on this occasion was Mayav, who aIso missed the point of the guardian story.

            I never said it was simply ALL about religion. And of course it is cultural. But you cannot be a feminist and claim that a ‘patriarchy’ in the west, which was informed through Christianity, is responsible for all the problems women face and then ignore the role of Islam, a genuine active patriarchy, in the cultures where Islam informed that culture.
            That’d be lunacy, to claim religion’s informing of a ‘patriarchal’ system informed western culture but not Islamic cultures.

            With regard to the radicalisation of disenfranchised young men, I agree. I never disagreed.

            Is it cultural… some think so… “Mohammed Shafiq, of the Ramadhan Foundation, which aims to promote better understanding between Muslims and non-Muslims, said: “Clearly, as members of the Pakistani community we’ve got to say to ourselves, yes, we’ve got a problem. We’ve got a problem because these people think white girls are worthless, they think they can use these girls. ” Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-18004153

            “Evidence tells us that there is a significant problem with Pakistani Asian men. We’ve got to be bold enough to stand up and say this is a problem and not let it get hijacked by the far right. It’s only now that people are prepared to discuss this.” …but not here, clearly.

            With regard to most abusers being white in the UK…. not even close according to the available stats. Most are ‘Asian’ or ‘Other Asian’….

            “Research conducted by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (Ceop) on “localised grooming” – where children have been groomed and sexually exploited by an offender having first met in a public place – looked at 1,217 offenders.

            The findings, published last year, found 30% of offenders – 367 – were white. Some 28% were Asian, of whom 11 were Bangladeshi, 45 were Pakistani and 290 were described as “Asian Other”.

            Of the victims, 61% of the 2,083 victims were white, while just 3% were Asian. Some 33% were of referred to as “other”.

            (this bit is important!)
            But the report stresses national conclusions about ethnicity cannot be drawn from the data available because it relies on limited nationwide information, with much of the data coming from a limited number of areas.”

            I’ll listen to the guys from the Ramadan Foundation, before I listen to some virtue signaler (not you Don, the other yoke).

          9. Mayav

            Hi Clampers. I see you’re complaining about me ‘name calling’ you. Let’s revisit your first post directed at me, shall we?

            “You my friend are the backward anti-freespeech regressive left type who doesn’t allow discussion on sensitive matters like Islam.”

            Oh.

          10. Dόn Pídgéόní

            If anything I’m saying both patriarchies are terrible. But I’m also saying people who question women’s viewpoints of patriarchy in the West but are story quick to point out patriarchy elsewhere are terrible.

            Both of those other quotes support my points so not sure where you are going – yes it’s cultural and linked stats grooming (I was to referring to wider stats on sexual offences).

            You say you aren’t saying it’s just Islam yet all your comments refer to Islam as a monolith not to cultural interactions with Islam. If you do believe there are cultural elements, stating this would help your points come across better.

          11. Clampers Outside!

            Are you saying the remnants of patriarchy in the west is as “terrible” and comparatively so with the middle-eastern active and real patriarchy… sure sounds like it. That’s laughable and insulting to anyone with nominal awareness of cultural differences.

            You separate culture from religion like you were cuttin’ a pack of cards…. the deck was mixed for hundreds and thousands of years before you cut it, and you cannot separate them in manner like that which suggests the two operate autonomously, as you have. It’s up there with daft ideas akin to how feminism refuses to look at biology properly and believes everything stems from cultural constructs… pfft….

            “You say you aren’t saying it’s just Islam yet all your comments refer to Islam as a monolith not to cultural interactions with Islam.” – wha…. plse explain where i talk of it as a ‘monolith’…
            And what am i supposed to do about all the ‘cultural interactions of Islam’…. it’s as if you’ve just made a claim that I need to write a thesis about all the other cultural nuances of Islam to make a specific point…. wtf? :/

            – – – –
            Looking over it, I think all you wanted to say was this… “I’m also saying people who question women’s viewpoints of patriarchy in the West but are story quick to point out patriarchy elsewhere are terrible.”

            So you think I’m terrible, big fuppin’ deal Don… you’re like a dog with an itch.

            “people who question women’s viewpoints of patriarchy in the West”… this is proof you are an ideologue Don. You say that as if it is a “terrible” thing to question feminism, as if feminism was above criticism… put a sock in it, feminism, aside the good it has, has plenty wrong with it today.
            – – – –

            ” If you do believe there are cultural elements, stating this would help your points come across better.”
            One more time with the choir then… the religion informs the culture.

          12. Dόn Pídgéόní

            FFS. It’s like taking to moyest. Exactly the same knee jerk assumptions and filing on the gaps of what I’ve said with what you think the other person has said.

          13. Clampers Outside!

            Survey (N=1200) of youth in poor areas of Gothenburg show 11% (n=135) sympathetic to religious extremism ( in Swedish)

            http://www.gp.se/nyheter/g%C3%B6teborg/studie-var-tionde-elev-st%C3%B6ttar-religi%C3%B6sa-extremister-1.3908356

            – – – –

            Also, “6) What’s the relationship between Islam and ISIS?” A nice straight forward summary. the asnwer of course is that ISIS is a genuine part of Islam. http://www.vox.com/2015/11/23/9779188/isis-syria-iraq-9-questions

  3. jimmy russell

    Only bigoted racists will try to say that in her culture she would not allowed speak her mind so she has come to a country where she can speak her mind to tell us how our western values are awful and racist and we should move to make our countries more like hers where sh cant speak her mind.

      1. Kieran NYC

        jimmy’s trolling ‘shtick’ is that he deliberately confuses and misinterprets every issue for… some reason, I don’t know. I think he’s trying to be ironic. Nobody engages him anymore.

    1. Dόn Pídgéόní

      They are but they aren’t called refugees there so don’t show up in official statistics. They are also in Iran and Turkey.

  4. Boy M5

    Clampers,

    It’s for Muslims to sort out their ideological differences. You display a typical western colonial patronizing view whereby you think ‘other’ religions need to be fixed and fall in line with yours.

    1. Clampers Outside!

      Most religions in the world are somewhat fupped up to different degrees, that is undeniable.

      To take what I said as you have and try make it into something I haven’t said, is pathetic. I’m not religious btw.

    1. Dόn Pídgéόní

      There was a lot of follow-up about whether that poll was representative or not given where it sampled from

      1. SOQ

        Oh come on.

        I can produce link after link on this subject which will run from the treatment of gay people in Muslim countries right through to the experiences of young gay people being evicted from their own communities in Britain.

        It exists.

        It is a thing.

        1. Mayav

          Lots of gay people suffer in Christian communities in America, Russia and parts of Africa as well. What point are you trying to make?

          1. SOQ

            As out great leader Painti once pointed out, homophobia is a gradient scale upon which we all sit. There is very few Christians in Britain who would argue that Homosexuality should be made illegal again which indicates that the vast majority of British Muslims do not believe gay people should be treated equally.

          2. Mayav

            Lots of Christians from America, Russia and Africa also don’t think gays should be equal. Again, what point are you trying to make?

        2. Dόn Pídgéόní

          Of course, and I’m not saying it doesn’t exist because it certainly does. I am saying that making generalisations to an entire group from an unrepresentative poll is part of the problem.

          1. SOQ

            Oh and yes, just for the record. Those Christians who are as homophobic are just the seam from my perspective. So this is homophobiaphobia rather than Islamaphobia.

            Did I just make a new word?

          2. Mayav

            “Those Christians who are as homophobic are just the seam from my perspective.”

            They’re not the seam. I don’t see you convincing too many people with this weak argument, especially while you’re excusing Christian homophobia.

          3. SOQ

            *same Sorry spelling mistake

            From my perspective Christians and Muslims who are homophobic are just the same. There is absolutely no difference.

          4. Mayav

            Well that’s something. I guess we’re back to asking what your point is though. Are you trying to justify hostility towards Muslims because of the prevalence of conservative views in their communities?

          5. SOQ

            Out of all the mainstream religions, Islam is regarded as the most homophobic by far. In the same way as I will not try to understand Christian or Jewish homophobia, I will not try to understand Muslim either.

            That is not racist nor Islamaphobic, quite the opposite.

            Clear?

          6. Mayav

            “Out of all the mainstream religions, Islam is regarded as the most homophobic by far.”

            Regarded by whom? Did you not just say they’re the same in your last post?

            “Clear?”

            It really isn’t.

          7. Clampers Outside!

            @SOQ… careful now, agreeing with MIlo means you are the following….

            …..racist, bigot, fascist, far right or alt-right supporter, Trump supporter, Hilary hater, and thereby woman hater, anti-immigration and a whole host of other things I’ve been called for using a Milo reference :)

          8. Mayav

            ‘That Hitler guy had some interesting views on the Jews but just because I agree with a lot of what he says most certainly does not make me a racist.’

          9. Mayav

            Godwin has nothing to do with it. I’m not comparing Milo to Hitler. I’m comparing you citing the views of a racist while claiming you’re not racist to a hypothetical person citing the views of a different racist while claiming not to be racist.

          10. Friscondo

            Ah yes, being exposed as a closet bigot is LOL!!!!!! So, when do we start drawing up the lists of dodgy Muslims? If you were in U.K. you would be one of those UKIP voters who would deny it and go ahead and vote UKIP anyway.

          11. Clampers Outside!

            Where was I exposed… yes, LOL!

            LOL at the refusal of all the comments above to actually address what I have written, instead you resort to name calling, and accusation, which only exposes you as a surface skimming virtue signaler,. nothing more, because as a typical regressive left you refuse to engage in the difficult conversations and instead name call in attempts to delegitimise those that do, and with links to moderate Muslims who support that position yet you still rally against those who know more than you – Mulsims and ex-Muslims.
            That’s called stupidity.

            As for the Koran and it’s sanctioning of the rape of non-Muslims, it is there written for all to see, and it is acted upon by the radicalised. And it’s not just ISIS who promotes this…..

            “May 25, 2011, a female Kuwaiti politician, Salwa al-Mutairi, also spoke out in favor of the Islamic practice of sexual slavery of non-Muslim women, emphasizing that the practice accorded with Islamic law and the parameters of Islamic morality.”

            ““Allah allows Muslims to rape non-Muslim women in order to humiliate them, claims Islamic professor,” Zee News, January 17, 2016”

            “It is also in Islamic law: “When a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of capture, and the woman’s previous marriage is immediately annulled.” (Umdat al-Salik O9.13)”

            “The Egyptian Sheikh Abu-Ishaq al-Huwayni declared in May 2011 that “we are in the era of jihad,” and that meant Muslims would take slaves. ”

            https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/01/female-al-azhar-prof-allah-allows-muslims-to-rape-non-muslim-women

            Or directly from the Qu’ran – https://quran.com/60/4 – “hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone”
            ‘you’ refers to non-believer

            So long as Muslims recognise the problems with passages like this, and those that promote it, I will support those Muslims. But I will not turn a blind eye to those that do just because some regressive left PC brigade virtue signalers are afraid of upsetting someone….. get a grip.

            Comparing moderate Muslims in the west who have settled there for years, to Muslims coming in from hyper religious patriarchal regimes and thinking they are all the same is complete and utter deluded nonsense.

            Call me names if you want but ya know what, I don’t care. I know moderate Muslims such as those those in the Ramadan Foundation speak against these radicals all the time, so I don’t have to listen to some deluded name calling snowflake who starts sentences with “If you…” in order to paint the person they disagree with in as bad a light as possible.

            The actions of a truly pathetic regressive. That’s you mate.

  5. gorugeen

    Religion is crowd control. Different bits for different crowds. Control being the operative word. How dare we question or disrespect said control they say…or misrepresent it…you guys do that all by yourself.

  6. Peter Dempsey

    Mayav is saying that homophobia is only bad if it comes from Christians. According to him it’s ok for Muslims to be homophobic.

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