124 thoughts on “Trumpled

    1. Jenta

      And one of the benefits of democracy is that you’re entitled to peacefully protest the election of a hate filled sack of orange leather.

      1. Vote Rep #1

        You’re essentially protesting that more people think differently to you. Like Brexit, I don’t like the result but just get on with it. Having a group moan isn’t going to change the result. It just makes you look stupid.

        1. Nigel

          That is literally often what protesting means. Of course, it’s often done in the face of indifference, apathy, hostility and contempt, so thanks for contributing to the process.

          1. Nigel

            I’m belligerent because I haven’t had coffee yet but with the low turnout implying massive apathy and disaffection, criticising people for actively trying to make their voices heard is a bit crappy.

        2. Starina

          actually, Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, so the majority of people DO think like these protestors

          1. ReproBertie

            Well, the majority of those who were eligible to and turned up to vote. Was it 46.9% didn’t bother to vote?

          2. Dόn Pídgéόní

            I’d love a breakdown of that percentage. I’d like to also see how many people could have voted but couldn’t because of voting id laws.

          3. Termagant

            That’s hilarious!

            But in all honesty, the state has a duty and a responsibility to ensure the security of its democratic processes. If people have difficulty obtaining photo IDs then the problem there is with the DMV, not the concept of voter ID laws. It’s not like this election was a surprise, people have had 4 years since the last one to get their paperwork in order.

            We’ll obviously never know but I would be very interested to find out how many of the people who voted this year were actually dead.

          4. Dόn Pídgéόní

            When you have Republicans advocating for voter ID laws because it means poor poc who traditionally vote Dem can’t vote that’s not just the DMV losing your form. It’s not universal across states, its mainly traditionally Rep states.

            I’d be interested to see that too because of made up. Registers will be updated but dead folk aren’t voting because well, they’re dead.

        3. Dόn Pídgéόní

          And like Brexit, this is about more than the vote outcome. It’s about identity, how people see themselves, their communities and their nation. And when that suddenly changes overnight people will be upset. Protest is part of expressing that emotion.

        4. classter

          You have a twisted view of democracy & protest, Vote Rep #1.

          Should one really wait until a majority supports their opinion before they express it?

      2. Clampers Outside

        This wee bit is doing the rounds, sums things up well….

        “When all the non-racist, non-mysoginist, non-homophobic, non-bigoted, everyday ordinary people get sop sick of you calling them racists, misogynists, homophobes, and bigots that they go out and vote against your candidate, do you:

        A) Reevaluate your personal conduct and strategy of convincing people to share your politics?
        Or
        B) Call them racists, misogynists, homophobes, and bigots and yell at them even more?”

        It appears they’ve chosen ‘B’, and that’s why their candidate lost.

        https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10105129540396778&id=5740608

          1. mildred st. meadowlark

            I have to disagree. Trump was *always* going to be a divisive president.

            People over here laughed at his gall, but clearly he resonated with people.

            Hillary, I’d say she’s equally divisive, but she did not make inflammatory statements again and again, consistently, through her entire campaign. That piece of nastiness rests with Trump.
            I’m not saying Hillary is great, or deserved to win or anything. I am saying that Trump helped to create this toxic, us v them attitude and he encouraged it with his words and his promises.

            This is part of the legacy of this election. He helped to create it. A well-written speech yesterday is not going to undo all of the poisonous words and election promises he spewed out.

            I would imagine there are people who are scared for their future in America today. Fear and anger. They are powerful motivators.

          2. Clampers Outside

            Trump didn’t create it, he used what was there, a disenfranchised middle America which the democrats abandoned – manufacturing and farming industries populated largely by the non-college educated people whom Trump pulled in at the voting booth at 2 to 1 over Hillary (according to Forbes)… these are ex-democrats remember.
            He didn’t create the divide, he capitalised on it, and Hillary stoked that divide as much as Trump. Just because she didn’t use the same language doesn’t show she didn’t help create it with her own lies and war mongering and the complete loss of trust in democrats that the election has shown to be.

            Trump doesn’t get my approval, but to claim he created this divide is wide of the mark, he capitalised on discontent. He certainly didn’t “create” it. It was already there.

          3. mildred st. meadowlark

            You may be absolutely right, in terms of the divide. Long before Trump they were talking about the widening wealth gap, and the polarizing of societal values and beliefs. That’s true.

            He added fuel to the flames, no question, as did Hillary. But his words were overt and inflammatory. Hillary, being a career politician, was more subtle. Trump insulted and angered minority voters, and now as the president he can attempt to enact some of the measures he promised during the election.

            And that is frightening to people. He is an unknown quantity.

        1. Nigel

          If only they hadn’t undercut their protestations by voting for a racist misogynist homophobic bigot. ‘Stop calling me racist misogynistic homophobic bigot or I”ll vote for the racist misogynist homophobic bigot!’ What do they want now, people to pat them on the head and tell them it’s okay? ‘We’re sorry we made you vote for the racist misogynistic homophobic bigot?’ Utter temper tantrum at best.

        2. Daisy Chainsaw

          Why else would you vote for a racist, misogynist, homophobic, and bigoted candidate if you didn’t share some of his views?

          Racists, misogynists, homophobes, and bigots don’t like being called out as racists, misogynists, homophobes, and bigots shocka!!

          1. Nigel

            Per your link, a significant number of the people who voted for the candidate who best represented those values did so in the belief that they had been unjustly accused of those things and that they were themselves not those things and somehow expect to be immune from accusations of being those things despite voting for him. Why would blacks Jews and Hispanics be immune from that sort of rationalisation?

          2. Daisy Chainsaw

            They mightn’t just be racist. They could be homophobes and misogynists. Maybe they like that Trump wants to punish women who have abortions and Pence want them to have funerals for their abortions/miscarriages. Maybe they like that Trump grabs pussy and raped his ex wife because they don’t believe women are their equals.

          3. Clampers Outside

            “Maybe they like that Trump grabs pussy and raped his ex wife because they don’t believe women are their equals.”
            You assume all that of a varied mix of people…. isn’t that what bigots do?

            Next time you vote, can I draw up every single view of the person you vote for and expect to see your views fall exactly in line with everything they stand for? And do the same for their party if they are in one? And their associates, to make sure the match is with them also?

            That is what your logic boils down to.
            I doubt this mirroring of all views would happen for every candidate you’ve ever voted for.

            My point, don’t put expectations on other voters that is not realistically reachable for yourself… unless you live in an echo chamber, which is extremely dangerous for politics.

          4. Nigel

            No Clamps. It’s just that voting for a candidate like that you’d need to insulate yourself with a lot of rationalisations in order to act hurt and offended when someone points out the nature of the person you voted for. It may be important to you that you voted solely for his foreign policy, just don’t be shocked if that’s not going to let you off the hook for everything else.

    2. Medium Sized C

      Yes.
      Grow a pair all of you.

      Real bravery comes with a pair of balls.
      The bravery to sit at home and do nothing to express your dissatisfaction with the results of an election.
      To complain at home but never express it around others.
      Particularly not amongst other like minded people.
      THAT is real courage.

      Neilo, your response is the first comment I read today.
      If it is not the dumbest, then I am in for a long day.

    3. Andy Moore

      Why didn;t they just go into Hotel & skull a few Beers & offer to do wash-up when Bill is presented ?? #occupydoonbeg

  1. Anomanomanom

    Haha “humbling” “couldn’t sleep”. So the minority don’t like the result. Grow up, what’s humbling about people moaning they didn’t get what they want.

    1. Nigel

      It’s almost as if when a president is elected int eh USA the entire political process suddenly stops and all part and political and ideological differences vanish and there are no more elections of any sort ever for people to rally around and work towards!

    2. Bob

      It was the majority that didn’t like the result. The minority are the ones who won. Democracy’s great, eh?

      1. Anomanomanom

        Your half right, the popular vote beat him. If you knew how American politics works you would know why they use the system they do, its a much fairer way, So yes Democracy

          1. Anomanomanom

            The system they have is much fairer than just saying “oh thats it, I have the most votes”.I know it might need updating but not using that system could mean you get a hand full of bigger states choosing for the whole country.

          2. Rob_G

            “The system they have is much fairer than just saying “oh thats it, I have the most votes”.

            – how could anything possibly be fairer than the above?

          3. Anomanomanom

            Well the five most populated states make up around 1/3 of the population. So it would be very unfair if say 1/3 plus a few other states managed to swing the numbers for a particular candidate that the rest of the country don’t want

          4. Rob_G

            I don’t really see the unfairness in the candidate who gets the most votes winning.

            At the present, the vote of someone from one of the less-populated states is more heavily-weighted than the vote from someone in a more populous state; this is inherently unfair, any given vote should be equal to every other vote.

      1. Dόn Pídgéόní

        I wouldn’t blame that on Obama, some people hated the fact he was black don’t forget. He got the ‘not my president’ line too simply because of that.

        1. Daisy Chainsaw

          And Trump started the racist Birther movement, demanding Obama publish his birth cert. Obama published his birth cert and the racist birthers decided it was faked.

          1. Dόn Pídgéόní

            Just because he does racist sexist things and says racist sexist things doesn’t make him racist or sexist or people who voted for him racist or sexist.

  2. Joe Small

    This is going to be like when Homer was elected Sanitation Commissioner.

    “You are going to crash and burn, my fat-headed friend.”

    1. Nigel

      Yeah I’d say there’s absolutely no way they could possibly consider the problem of people who failed to turn up to vote. My God, thank you for pointing it out!

    2. Murtle

      And as for the 29% of Latinos who for voted Trump! They got their citizenship and then pulled up the drawbridge to spite their brethren. Unbelievable!

        1. Neilo

          More ‘tied the fence back in place with cable ties’ than ‘pulled up the drawbridge’, I’d have though?.

      1. Rob_G

        Yes, imagine the idea that people of the same race* having differing opinions on an issue..

        *I know that this covers many ethnic backgrounds, etc

  3. Trig

    It’s not Paul Potts taking the office, yeah you don’t approve of this guy but get over it, this is happening.

    Maybe the garbage man can.

    1. Bob

      If you’re gay in the USA, then you’ve essentially been told you will not be an equal human for the next 4 years. I’d say that’s something to be upset about. And that’s only one group that’s being disenfranchised.

      1. Nigel

        And if you’re black Latino, Jewish or Asian, you get to see the guy endorsed by the KKK voted into the highest office of the land!

        1. Clampers Outside

          8% of blacks voted for Trump and 29% of Hispanics…

          I suppose they’re just self hating racists.

          Now… take a deep breath on this one….

          Trump pulled in more Jewish votes than any republican in the past 30 years (bar Romney) getting 25% of the Jewish vote, as reported by The Times of Israel. Hillary got an overwhelming 70%…

          So basically, you are calling 1 in 4 Jews racists against Jews…. Good man Nigel.

          There’s more, and that’s before looking at the ‘protest’ vote that they gave Hillary, of which nearly half were protest votes, not support for Hillary but protest votes. More on that here – http://www.timesofisrael.com/american-jews-voted-70-25-in-favor-of-clinton-over-trump-poll-shows/

          1. ReproBertie

            Clampers, Donald Trump is a racist. That many people who voted from him are not doesn’t make him any less of a racist.

          2. Bob

            Don’t see anyone saying that but Trump supporters. Strange how they come up with this bizarre logical strawman instead of talking about what has actually happened.

          3. Dόn Pídgéόní

            Don’t worry, I still think you’re an incredibly passive aggressive patronising geebag who needs to get a grip on themselves :)

          4. Clampers Outside

            Worry… about what you think? Seriously? You mostly throw around accusations and belittlement more than anything else, just as you have done here, in a passive aggressive manner too (like a hypocrite) ….in some effort to poke me with a stick so to speak….. jaysus, you’re some muppet at times.

            Get over yourself would ya Don!

          5. Rob_G

            @ Don

            I don’t necessarily agree with Clampers on this issue (most issues, in fact) – but you are the biggest, most passive aggressive, patronising poster on Broadsheet.

            (Well, second biggest, but let us not invoke his name…)

          6. Dόn Pídgéόní

            I sure am when someone talks to me that way first Rob. Or is human or any of those trolls. And I’ll continue if its all the same, thanks.

          7. Nigel

            Clamps even with the cranky morning head I had on me I’m pretty sure I was clearly referring to what it must be like to be in a minority group historically subject to racist oppression to have a KKK endorsed president. There may be a plurality of Trump voters who are not KKK racist but at a bate minimum it just doesn’t matter that much to them. Which is pretty sobering to people to whom it does matter. The fact remains that the overwhelming majorities of those groups voted against him. Exactly why minorities of those groups voted for him will be interesting to discover.

            Actually I’ve tried to be scrupulous about NOT calling all his voters racist etc, even though I’m sure too many of them for comfort are, so I’d apreciate it if you’d stop responding as though I did.

          8. Clampers Outside

            “I’m pretty sure I was clearly referring to what it must be like to be in a minority group historically subject to racist oppression to have a KKK endorsed president.”
            But you weren’t clear my friend, if you had qualified the statement as you have done here, then that would be something different to what was written…. let’s put it down to early mornin’ lack off caffeine!

            I’ve only made the point about persons calling all the Trump voters racists, etc. when that claim has been made, in fairness.

        2. Whatever

          Ah the old Donald/KKK angle. Hillary somehow got a free ride from the press when it came to her “friend and mentor” (her words) and ex KKK leader, Robert Byrd.

          1. Bob

            Robert Byrd, the guy who left the KKK in the 50’s and has spent the time since openly condemning them and talking about how much he regretted the decision to join up with them, and fought for equality for all? That Robert Byrd?

          2. Clampers Outside

            Forgiving of you Don, not your usual grandstanding.

            You tend to take a very much ‘guilty by association’ with your accusations, but you let this one go. That’s a good thing, keep it up.

        3. Nigel

          But I didn’t make that claim. Did I miss someone who did? (Seriously, the white background screws with my eyes a bit.)

  4. ReproBertie

    No doubt the people scoffing at this protest are all happy to watch Enda & co. get on with running this country.

      1. ReproBertie

        Well if they voted for Enda & co then they won so they’re happy and if they didn’t vote for Enda & co then they got a result they didn’t want but that’s one of the quirks of democracy so they should just grow a pair.

  5. Whatever

    Meanwhile Colette Browne, Una Mulally et al are barely hiding their self-righteous indignation and claiming Clinton only lost the election by virtue of having a vagina. Neither seem to be able to accept that the electorate just weren’t into Hillary, what with the DNC rigging her campaign, her corruption and her warmongering.

    1. classter

      The fact that there is such a huge difference between the votes of white men and white women (60% men for Trump versus 40%) suggests that her ladypart was a factor.

  6. Termagant

    Unwise, if the things they say about Trump are true then they’re days away from being stamped on by Right Wing Death Squads sweeping the nation to suppress dissenting thought, the democratic process and any colour of person darker than Magnesium White.

  7. Junkface

    Over history, we’ve had brilliant leaders who stand up for civil rights, freedom and justice assassinated by racists/ right wing/ religious nutcases. JFK, Martin Luther King, Robert Kennedy, Benazir Bhutto.

    As Trump has inflamed racial hatred in this campaign, already KKK memebers have been photographed walking around in hoods in North Carolina, black women have been threatened with death or violently assaulted on the side of the road. We can only hope that somewhere sometime soon Trump will be assassinated, it will be of his own doing., but then you would have Jesus freak Pence in command, who could be worse, so the world needs 2 hitjobs. There will be far less upset than after JFK or Martin Luther assassinations, and its for the good of the planet, not just USA.

    1. ReproBertie

      Trump needs to serve his full term so that he can be seen to fail on each and every campaign promise. I don’t think America needs a racist, sexist, isolationist martyr.

      1. Rob_G

        No, we should follow Junkface’s approach and shoot all the people that we disagree with; that always works out well.

        1. Junkface

          We’re always losing good leaders to shootings. A bit of balance would be good, especially if they stoke the hatred to begin with. Lets see how many thousands Trump ends up killing, or maybe a nuclear war? Who knows?

          i don’t normally condone assassinations, but this time….hmmmm…maybe

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