It’s Out Of Your Hands

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Andrew Galvin, poet and activist

On the thorny question of a father’s rights during pregnancy.

Andrew Galvin writes:

Dear Men,

Some of you are confused as to whether or not you have the right to force a woman whose egg your sperm has fertilised to either terminate the pregnancy against her will or carry the pregnancy against her will as the case may be. Let’s see if I can help.

No.

No you don’t.

And it’s awful to even think you can.

Once you’ve ejaculated, your agency ends with regard to having a say either way about any pregnancy.

Why is that?

Because…

A) After ejaculation, literally every other aspect of making a baby happens in and to another person’s body.

B) Forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy against her will and forcing a woman to terminate a pregnancy against her will both fall under the legal definition of torture.

But don’t worry, this does not diminish your rights or choices. Here’s how:

If you DON’T want a termination then your fool-proof guaranteed way to ensure that is to exercise your infinite, pre-ejaculation agency and choose not to ejaculate into a vagina.

Crazy, I know but it works 100% of the time, all the time.

If you DO want a termination and the woman involved doesn’t the exact same applies. Your last chance to make that choice is BEFORE you ejaculate.

So, make it then; in that glorious time of infinite, pre-ejaculation agency, Instead of thinking you can force a termination on someone who doesn’t want one later down the line….

FIGHT!

A Fertilised Egg Is Not A Contract (Andrew Galvin)

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53 thoughts on “It’s Out Of Your Hands”

    2. Daisy Chainsaw

      Bro, do you even lift? Or do you just sit on your hand til it goes numb so it feels like another person other than you willingly touches your peen.

  5. Bort

    I can literally not remember the last time I forced a woman to keep or abort our unborn child but thanks. I’m in the not all men are rapists camp too.

  9. 15 cents

    all the usual bs right-wing losers comin in with ‘hes just tryna get laid” .. anyway, this reminded me of a billy connolly joke where he said a stampede of wild horses couldnt make his arse go the opposite direction when he’s about to ejac. ive never had to face the choice of keeping or not having a baby and i go in bare-back whenever im allowed. and if any of those girls came back and said they were havin a baby, id be all hands on deck, same if they came back and said they needed to go for an abortion, id help as much as theyd want me to help. and thats my poem.

    2. Elizabeth Mainwaring

      Mr Dylan will not be turning up to receive his Noble prize next week.

      Perhaps you might like to offer up this masterpiece for consideration in his stead, Mr Cents

        1. Neilo

          @Bertie: If I ever meet you for a pint, I’ll recount the truly terrifying tale of my first communion outfit. You will come to look at Hamills as the high point of your prelapsarian innocence.

          3. Neilo

            @Daisy: this is the kind of info that can only be disclosed offline as I don’t want to terrify the horses and children

  13. backomebollix

    The problem with men forcing the issue either way isn’t so much about pressure within relationships as it’s about male power in Church and Government and the legislative structure. That’s what repealing the amendment is about – its not a referendum aimed at men who’ve just come inside a woman. ANDREW ITS NOT A SEX EDUCATION CAMPAIGN. There’s a good lad.

    1. Harry Molloy

      There was a pretty hilarious Ross O’Carroll Kelly column on that a few months back. I was wondering where it came from as I hadn’t heard of it being an issue here. Yet. But it will when someone feels they need a campaign or a reason to feel discriminated against.

      https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/ross-o-carroll-kelly-i-haven-t-heard-the-word-pronoun-since-i-sat-the-junior-cert-1.2576749%3Fmode%3Damp?client=ms-android-oneplus

  22. Old Bawn

    As the man pithily summarises in the linked article:
    Pre-ejaculation: Your body Your choice. Post-ejaculation: Her body Her choice.
    Good point, methinks

  23. Yep

    Say if….long term relationship. 2 kids. Mother stays home. The snip didn’t work (rare but not impossible). Mother wants to keep the child. Father says he doesn’t think they should because of projected finances and that it would impact negatively on the 2 kids future.

    Is this argument resolved purely because the mother wants another baby even if the father has a rwasonable point of view? I’m not saying it should weigh on one side or the other but to say the opinion of the father is NEVER valid is ridiculous.

      1. Yep

        Ideally, yes. I also thought the same thing but…last roll if the dice for the mother…younger sister just got pregnant too.

        I know it seems i’m looking for special cases (spose i am) but just to remind everyone it isn’t black and white.

        Of course the state/church/jazz donor should not be able to impose their will on the woman but i don’t believe the “man should never have a say stance” should be supported either.

  25. Richard Elfson

    Ah yes, the mystical on off button of agency. One second you own it, then you don’t, then you do again. It’s a different body to yours post birth too, but somehow you have rights and responsibilities. How does that work? The way we make rules and laws is not by exclusion, but by inclusion. Your identity politics are an empty sham. And, not to put too fine a point on it, your divisive exclusionary speech is partly responsible for The Donald.

    Can we please return to the creamy middles?

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