This morning.
Harcourt Square, Dublin 2
Garda Commissioner Noirin O Sullivan talking to the media before launching a dedicated 24 Hour phoneline for victims of child sex abuse at the the GardaI Command and Control Centre
Ms O’Sullivan is at the centre of a tribunal of inquiry into the alleged smearing of garda whistleblower that branded him a child sex abuser.
Good times.
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Update:
YIKES!
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Yeah, the irony is there, but don’t let that detract from a much-needed service.
And also launching a 24 Hour phoneline for victims of Garda abuse?
Good…
Pity about Sweden tho…..
14yr old Syrian immigrant refugee girl, pregnant by her cousin, has been allowed marry the cousin because she seems mature for her age. Here come the new Sharia norms, as European laws must be inferior or something…. what were the people in Europe thinking.
Would you ever get a grip, Clampers, this has got beyond ridiculous. We have enough of our own crap to rectify.
There’s always a grain of truth to this stuff.
What I have asked before is whether or not other non-muslim religious groups have special dispensations; are there cults operating now here in Ireland with weird laws and customs exerting power over the young and vulnerable?
(I think Sweden is old enough and big enough to look after itself)
(Correction, there’s often a grain of truth, sometimes it’s just hysteria)
You call it hysteria darling.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-brides-idUSKCN0XI1MZ
I call it, a disaster.
You’re such a silly sausage, Clampers.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2015/1215/753752-govt-agrees-to-close-marriage-loophole-for-minors/
It seems that we have been tackling these problems, while you have been frothing over #fakenews.
Yes, Ireland is making efforts to tackle it. That’s going to help in other EU countries is it… they are doing the same are they? Or does it only matter what happens here….
That has what to do with the links to stories on the continent particularly Denmark where they are allowing ‘special’ circumstances for relationships in asylum centres…. and these persons weren’t married before arriving – see Reuters link.
Do you think that the Garda helpline should be extended across Europe?
Deluded…. you drinkin’ your own wee again?
Why would a Garda line be rolled out across Europe…. I doubt those that manage the Garda helpline would have enough language skills or personnel to cover all Europe. And how could I possibly comment on that when all I know is it is a helpline, and without knowing the full resources behind it.
Go on Deluded… what was your real reason for asking that question… :/
Gandhi drank his own wee
I don’t think I’d drink someone elses.
Say your saying there’s a chance deluded?
So
Not my cup of tea, jusayinlike, but I haven’t discounted a survival situation.
You gonna go full bear grylls deluded?
Unlikely, although you know how things get when you’re stuck in traffic.
Never go full bear grylls. Never.
Not even in traffic ;)
Haven’t heard about that, sounds terrible to me if true. It would also seem to be illegal, as the minimum age for marriage in Sweden is 18 since 2014 (http://www.lansstyrelsen.se/stockholm/Sv/manniska-och-samhalle/vigsel/Pages/aktenskapsdispens.aspx) English translation:
marriage Dispensation
From 1 July 2014, the possibility to apply for permission from the County Administrative Board to get married before the age of 18 years removed.
The Government has decided to amend the Marriage Code Chapter 2 § 1 to “A person under 18 may not marry.” It means that marriage between two people where one or both persons are under 18 years no longer allowed. There is no possibility to derogate from this rule.
By the way, did you know that it’s legal in 4 US States to get married at 14 (Alaska, New Hampshire, New York and North Carolina), and there are 27 other states in USA where there is no legal minimum age
Those Americans and their Sharia law! What were they thinking?!
By the way, Clampers, I can’t find a reference to that anywhere, can you show us where that is reported?
It’s on the alt reich newsfeeds.
Certainly doesn’t appear anywhere else that I can find.
Maybe that’s not the same story… plenty of other 14 year olds, and stories about them, and 12 year olds. And 100s of cases, and not just in Sweden, but in Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway ….but sure, you guys rag on as if I’d made something up completely …if that makes you feel more comfortable about it.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37518289
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/germany-overwhelmed-by-1000-refugee-child-brides-call-ban-grows-1577226
I’ll get more links for later…. if you like…
But… but … but …
You did make something up completely Clampers. in your OP you said:
Good…
Pity about Sweden tho…..
14yr old Syrian immigrant refugee girl, pregnant by her cousin, has been allowed marry the cousin because she seems mature for her age. Here come the new Sharia norms, as European laws must be inferior or something…. what were the people in Europe thinking.
But that is a completely different story from what is reported in the links you gave. The links you gave refer to children married in their home country or a refugee camp, and then entering European countries.
I’m not saying that’s any better, but it’s not what you reported, and you still haven’t shown where you got your original story from, said original story being that a 14 year old girl was allowed to marry her cousin in Sweden.
But… but … but …
I know I shouldn’t even bother doing this, but anyway, you do appear to have completely made something up , Clampers. In your Original Post you said:
Pity about Sweden tho…..
14yr old Syrian immigrant refugee girl, pregnant by her cousin, has been allowed marry the cousin because she seems mature for her age.
But that is a completely different story from what is reported in the links you gave. The links you gave refer to children married in their home country or a refugee camp, and then entering European countries.
I’m not saying that’s any better, but it’s not what you reported, and you still haven’t shown where you got your original story from, said original story being that a 14 year old girl was allowed to marry her cousin in Sweden.
I’ll say again…. Maybe that’s not the same story…
The links I gave do not exclusively refer to children married off in their own country.
You clearly didn’t read them. Read the Reuters one with the Denmark examples, thanks.
Clampers one of the numerous problems with you swallowing the output of your alt right bookmarks like a suckling calf is that you’ve forsaken all pretence at critical thinking. It’s also an amusing exercise for the reader to see the difference in your comments when you’ve some root to base your rubbish on (linkstorm) vs swivel eyed waffle (no links, just obtuse comments).
I assume the case you’re referring to is that of a marriage approved in error by the tax office, and subsequently annulled? http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6097601
Poor Clampers
What happened?
That article is from 2 years ago, so not exactly news, is it?
What an idiot (Clampers, I mean)
You think that’s the only 14 yr old….
I’ll get back to you on it, busy presently.
I have a post full of links to many ‘reputable’ mainstream and left news sources for ya….
laters !
You’re too busy to post the link you were reading? But not too busy to tell us that? Or to post on the other threads? That is a really specific level of busy. It’s also surprisingly common that you get busy when someone shows you’re talking rot
I wanted to make sure all links were with left leaning approval to avoid your simpleton responses of name calling. That’s all.
Here’s one on child brides from refugees, and how Germany is doing SFA about it.
One below on Norway basically choosing to ignore the problem (Reuters) in asylum centres.
There’s another below in another comment (BBC link) showing that Europe is kicking the can down the road.
And here’s another that shows Germany not having a clue in how to handle thousands of cases of child brides – http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/germany-overwhelmed-by-1000-refugee-child-brides-call-ban-grows-1577226
But hey…. I may have made a mistake one story from Sweden. May have. Looks like there are more than one 14 year old child bride arriving in Sweden. But sure, you go on to town on that, if that floats your boat.
Sorry, you can ignore this bit – “Here’s one on child brides from refugees, and how Germany is doing SFA about it.” – as I repeated the point just before the link a little further down, thanks.
Look at you, agreeing with feminist groups that underage girls shouldn’t be married! I’m proud.
So you admit you were talking out your hole about the Sweden case, grudgingly.
Now as to Germany doing ‘SFA’, you’ll be pleased to hear that some feminist groups are in fact acting to help girls in these situations. And the CDU are introducing legislation to ban all marriages under 18.
https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-01-06/germany-taking-harder-look-child-marriage
And the Norway link you posted says the opposite of what you do, they’re not ignoring it, they’ve tightened the rules to separate minors from partners of age, and are reviewing all cases from 2015.
It’s a good thing the authorities weren’t relying on you and your news feed, there’d have been two years of inaction then a huge outraged knee jerk response
“Look at you, agreeing with feminist groups that underage girls shouldn’t be married! I’m proud. ”
Equity feminism is compatible with egalitarianism. Keep you pride and lame condescension pet, thanks :)
” So you admit you were talking out your hole about the Sweden case, grudgingly. ”
LOL… no I admitted a mistake. No grudge required.
Germany – January 2017 – they finally decide to have a look at it. Slow clap. At least they are finally doing something, and not ignoring the problem, as Merkel said herself, was what they had been doing.
Sweden, if I am wrong, and it is the same story the court threw out, I’ll be delighted.
But did you check the BBC link for other stories… “Denmark’s response has swung first one way and then the other.”
They are finding lots of young girls with older men. And no, these are not marriages of persons before they arrived. This is going on in the asylum centres.
And they are getting soft on them too…. “In February, Integration Minister Inger Stojberg vowed to act after a review found dozens of cases of girls living with older men in asylum seekers’ accommodation – which the minister called “totally unacceptable”.
Couples would require “exceptional reasons” to live together below the age of 18 (the legal age for marriage in Denmark) and no cohabitation would be allowed whatsoever if one party was below 15.”
Or…. Hey, I’m just some loon….
As ever Clampers, it’s impossible to ascertain whether you’re stupid and credulous, but genuine, or a simple troll.
You didn’t admit your mistake yet, you came to the edge, but didn’t quite commit.
One of my favourite of your stock responses is that one about finally having a look at it.
What are you basing your idea that they weren’t married before they arrived on? Because the BBC quote says they arrived together, and some of them have children together.
The Reuters article you quote from last April has the age of marriage at 15 with a special permit. This isn’t Sharia law, this was Danish law. Contrary to your claim that they’re getting soft on it, they’ve changed the legal age for marriage to 18 as of February this year.
So what would your solution be, when a married couple arrive, a girl of sixteen and a man of 21, with a baby of their own? What speedy resolution would you offer these governments?
You’ve clearly never been to Sweden. Your information has come straight from the horses Ar5e
I have been, thanks.
Does not our new Ethnic community have young pre- arranged marriages too though?
crikey.
d’you’ve a link for that? Sounds terrible.
Can you link me to the story?
I googled but all i got was Britain First and fake newspapers.
Sweden’s age of consent is 15. However, knowing a lot of swedes, there is a pretty lax and permissive attidude to sex there. Parents allowing 13 year olds have sex isn’t uncommon. Wierd by our standards but there you go. Sweden is a bad example for this.
Sweden’s age of consent for marriage, though, is 18, which is what Clampers is talking about.
FFS Clampers will you stop, or better yet find somewhere else to peddle your trash.
See below….
Pity about Clampers
And Clampers successfully derails yet another post
You’re welcome
I don’t think a big happy smiley head is the image to portray when launching a service for people reporting sexual abuse.
Why not?
Now all she has to do to silence dissent is report someone anonymously via this line and use it to destroy their credibility. She can even win back the minister, by reporting a rival and then whispering it in their ear a la Shatter and Wallace.
” Jordan’s Chief Islamic Justice Department was recently quoted as saying child marriages represented about 35% of all marriages of Syrian refugees in 2015. ”
From http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37518289
What’s the argument you’re making?
How they’re awful people and we need to keep them out or how these children are clearly traumatised/abused and we need to keep them out or what?
That European courts shouldn’t be entertaining these paedo marriages…. but they are….
What’s your excuse for accepting child marriages Ahjaysiz? Most of the left seems to think that saying it’s a ‘cultural’ thing is enough… which is fuppin’ ridiculous.
Here’s a Reutrers piece on Norways’ ignoring of the plight of child brides in refugee camps…. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-brides-idUSKCN0XI1MZ
I guess I’m just a racialist now Father, saying these tings written by journalists from reputable sources that both left and right can accept.
Meanwhile, Europe’s sits on it’s hands ignoring the problem…. “She said there were no clear European rules for separating child brides and that Oslo had “unfortunately not ratified” conventions by the Council of Europe mapping out ways to prevent sexual exploitation and abuse. ” (from the reuters link)
Children in Ireland have been sexually and physically abused for many decades continuing on to the present as the “Grace” case clearly shows. What are you doing about that?
Here’s what you posted
“Pity about Sweden tho…..
14yr old Syrian immigrant refugee girl, pregnant by her cousin, has been allowed marry the cousin because she seems mature for her age. Here come the new Sharia norms, as European laws must be inferior or something…. what were the people in Europe thinking.”
Now what the article appears to show is that folk in Scandinavia are arriving, already married. That’s not good, but it’s not because of the law in those countries changing.
“pity about Sweden” implies (correct me if i’m wrong) that the Swedish Govt/courts has kowtowed to Muslim extremists (or whatever) and introduced a law allowing an unnamed 14 year old, pregnant, girl marry her cousin.
You’ve not shown a link for *this* story, the one where it appears that Sweden “allowed” her to marry. (as opposed to enter the country already married)
Hi Ivan, I did post a response to that above. Yes, that one story may have more checking to be done on it. I’m not yet convinced it is untrue.
Meanwhile…. 1,000s of kids are being brought in with their paedo partners and Denmark, Germany, Sweden, Norway and others are all having problems.
To the extent that Norway is just ignoring the problem, or to use the news language of Reuters, it is ‘sometimes tolerated’.
Damn those cultural paedos that must be tolerated, damn!
No grooming of children there, I’m sure.
Why is the burden of proof you require to prove something true so low, and to prove it false so high?
Poor Clampers
Caught out again bullspooing
” Why is the burden of proof you require to prove something true so low, and to prove it false so high? ”
This is a subjective observation. Pretty much shows your own imbalance.
Burden pf proof regarding children needing protection is in the links I gave. I admitted already that the Swedish one would require investigation, and if wrong I will happily concede so.
At least I’m not ignoring all the other issues in the other countries with examples of the situation I raised where that country is either ignoring or being tolerant of the problems…. with Germany only now , in Jan 2017, getting to do something about it.
Fair ball on the Sweden thing; even Homer nods :)
My point is though that your comment at the top of the page strongly suggests that laws in *insert-country-of-choice* are being amended so as to accomodate paedo marriages and you’ve not shown any instance of that happening *anywhere*. Perhaps these countries are accepting of such iffy marriages *entering* the country but, y’know, we used to allow divorced folk come and live here in the 80s, if y’get me drift. What’s not enshrined in our statutes doesn’t preclude somebody who doesn’t adhere to same coming to live. And no, i’m not equivocating one with the other – merely pointing out that because X is illegal in country Y doesn’t mean you don’t allow a person who’s done X into country Y.
Poor And Social Justice For All
Such a pathetic little troll…… but you’re my pet troll :)
*taps ASJFA’s head*
@Ivan – They are finding them in asylum centres in Denmark according to the Reuters report and are allowing them continue in ‘special circumstances’. These are not ‘marriages’ before arrival…. they are not approved as such by courts, but they are being allowed / tolerated. And allowing one, is a ‘soft’ law approach…. ie bending the law to accommodate… because ‘culture’ …wtf…
At least I’m good at trolling Clampers
You’re not even good at that
Well I lol’d
“What’s your excuse for accepting child marriages Ahjaysiz?”
Ummm, I don’t. When did you stop torturing cats?
I’d not heard of it before, but seems fairly obvious to me that child marriages should be illegal no matter who’s involved, that should be enforced, and adults sexually abusing children need to be punished severely. Where’s the controversy?
If it’s two 15 year olds, that’s more complicated obviously, but obvs that marriage isn’t valid under most country’s laws. If it’s an 18 year old, married to a 50 year old since she was 12 and only recently arrived in the country I’m not sure what’s to be done if the crimes took place abroad. Aside from more recent rape and coercion since arrival.
When did the ECJ give their blessing to the marriage of a child and an adult? Why’s it relevant to our allegedly corrupt GardaCommish opening a phone line?
Sexual abuse phone line should be a simple enough connection to sexual abuse anything. No pun intended.
” Ummm, I don’t. ” – good to hear it.
The ECJ did not give blessings to child marriages. But countries are turning a blind eye to incidences that they deem ‘special circumstances’ as reported by Reuters in Denmark.
The rest I agree with, pretty much.
” Ummm, I don’t. ” – good to hear it.
Go fupp yourself, Clampers. Seriously.
Absolute Classic Clampers, the right honourable gentleman who gets very irate about supposed accusations by other commenters, but cheerfully reads tacit approval of child marriage in your question about his argument
Ahjaysis… I threw that question in there intentionally to pee you off. It was well OTT. I was trolling for a reaction. My apologies.
No LW, there was nothing cheerful in that.
I’m not entirely sure being solemnly full of effluent is any better than being cheerfully full of it.
It’s worse he’s getting.
You are giving him far too much oxygen or else like LJG he’s just being paid by Broadsheet to generate clicks – something they’ve never denied ( see what I did there?)
sounds like she is indulging in some self reassurance……I am greatly….I can do it……fooling nobody, she is leading Ireland’s police force without the consent of the people and more importantly without the consent or confidence of the gents and ladies on the beat……her presence casts a dirty cloud over men and women in the force who are blameless……just go and let the decent ones get on with the job in hand
Does the dedicated 24 Hour phone line cater for victims of false allegations of child sex abuse?
False accused of Child abuse what about the Men and Women who this happens to in Ireland in 2017 where is the phone line for them? Garda helpline 24/7 more over time to answer the phones