Ann, Oonagh and Kathleen… but, but, but …the patriarchy, won’t someone please think of the patriarchy ! !
s/
ahjayzis
Not even getting into the pay gap thing because I know eff all about it, but do you think women can’t be tools of an antiquated system stacked against them?
” but do you think women can’t be tools of an antiquated system stacked against them? ”
A very broad question. I believe anyone can become a tool of a bad system regardless of their sex.
I don’t believe the “system” is stacked against women, if anything it is tipped in their favour. Look at schools…. they are geared to work for girls, and attitudes and rambunctiousness of male characteristics in boys are demonised. – stacked in girls favour.
Look at the colleges, who is going and who is graduating – stacked in young women’s favour. With women only scholarships and plenty of other pro-women courses as opposed to balance of the sexes. And feminist theory and scholars and advocates practically running colleges as indoctrination centres in the USA….
Check out the book ‘War On Boys’ for detail on most of the above, the proof is in the truth. The proof is in the school and college results.
On the pay gap… here’s one vid (another coming in a mo)
You see, this is the problem with discussion of any sort that relates to feminist claptrap.
When someone points out the lies and points to known and proven facts… they get called names by those ignorant of the subject, or those too indoctrinated to recognise the truth.
Call me whatever you want. Truth is what counts, not ideological claptrap.
Topsy
+1000
ahjayzis
The American Enterprise Institute. Really? REALLY? You’re rolling out the Koch Brothers?
There are plenty of vids that discuss all the details in these two vids. But these two vids do it succintly.
Yes, the AEI is a right leaning think tank.
The Brookings Institute is one of the most respected non-partisan think tanks in the USA, but they dont make videos and they have found the same conclusions as the videos above.
You can read more on their findings here (or watch the vids)…. a few conclusions from their work include…
“One source of the current gap is the fact that women still take more time off from work to care for their families.” – not a pay gap, a choice.
” These family responsibilities may also affect the kinds of work they choose. ” – such as, choosing lower paid, more flexible work…
” more likely to work in occupations where it is easier to combine work and family life. ” Harvard Prof Claudia Goldin
” These divided work-family loyalties are holding women back more than pay discrimination per se. ” …more than pay discrimination. “more than”.
” This should change when men are more willing to share equally on the home front ” …when men in similar numbers, choose to work like women (as above) then the gap will narrow. Not a discrimination in pay.
But hey, facts is facts… and the left don’t like facts because it jars with the ideology. When dealing with idealogues you are dealing with persons who have a belief system akin to religion. There opinions should be treated with the same suspicion as anyone would treat a highly religious person like a priest, immam, etc. People blinded from reality by faith.
But why do they make those choices? And why do they have to make those choices? Why don’t their male partners make those choices? And why is flexible work less well paid?
If the genders were on an equal footing, would try not make similar choices in similar numbers?
” But why do they make those choices? ”
Because women have a stronger nurture than men, so they prioritise family first over high stress long hour jobs.
” And why do they have to make those choices? ”
See answer above.
” Why don’t their male partners make those choices? ” They are starting to. But they won’t in the same numbers as women. because men and women are biologically different and hard wired differently.
[ Please note that this reason is not accepted by feminism be3cause feminism denies the existence of biological differnces between men because they see gender as totally and utterly a ‘social construct’ …which is complete hokum. Again, the evidence of this is huge. ]
” And why is flexible work less well paid? ” – because flexible work usually means non-managerial or less skilled or less stressful or less pressured, etc. and so is paid less. That’s pretty straight forward in fairness.
” If the genders were on an equal footing, would try not make similar choices in similar numbers? ” No. one need only look at the choices made by those in what are considered to be equal societies such as those in Scandanavia. When you look at the work choices, when women and men are on an equal footing, women still make career choices of jobs that pay less.
As pointed out, by many, including Prof Jordan Peterson of UoT Canada noted of the facts in Scandanavia, that the differences between men and women do not lessen in their career choices when on an equal footing, but widen “exponentially” with, as an example, in the firled of nursing where women out number men 20 to 1…. because of choices made on an equal footing. This is a fact that disproves the vast majority of current feminist propaganda and patriarchy theory but is completely ignored by feminists.
Clampers, can I ask how, in your opinion, men and women should relate to each other? What is your view on a man’s role in society? On a woman’s role?
I’m not having a go at you. You post a lot about things you are opposed to. I’m interested to hear what you’re in favour of.
Sheik Yahbouti
Don’t think you’ll get any answer to that question.
Unlucky in locks
I worry you’re right.
I’m going to keep trying though
Shayna
“No previous experience necessary.”?
mildred st. meadowlark
Can you shout abuse at someone indiscriminately?
Do you hate information?
Do you harbour blind faith and a faint sense of superiority?
Apply now!
Brother Barnabas
That’s the average Chelsea fan right there
Turgenev
Why is it legal to harass people going about their own business? Or is it?
Shayna
It’s a fundamental in a democracy, free speech – if one feels harassed, as a passer by, then it’s not legal or illegal, it’s merely bothersome.
Shayna
I’m reminiscent of the banner in Father Ted, “Down With Sort Of Thing!”.
Shayna
“Down With This Sort Of Thing!” – apologies.
The Old Boy
It could come under the definition of coercion or harassment, both offences under the Non-Fatal Offenses Against the Person Act of 1997. If the protesters were found to be “watching and/or besetting” the premises in order to coerce someone to abstain from a lawful act, that is Coercion. If the watching and besetting “intentionally or recklessly, seriously interferes with the other’s peace and privacy or causes alarm, distress or harm to the other, and his or her acts are such that a reasonable person would realise that the acts would seriously interfere with the other’s peace and privacy or cause alarm, distress or harm to the other” that is harassment.
I doubt the Gardaí would touch it, though. It’s more hassle than it’s worth unless it becomes serious in their eyes. The advertisement has been carefully worded though, avoiding the word “protest”.
The Old Boy
*Non-Fatal Offences
My autocorrect has gone a bit American.
Shayna
… in other words, merely, “Bothersome”.
The Old Boy
You have a surprisingly limited right to be bothersome, as you put it, to other people in public.
rotide
Now tell us about the Jobstown protest/unlawful detainment Turgenev
Ann, Oonagh and Kathleen… but, but, but …the patriarchy, won’t someone please think of the patriarchy ! !
s/
Not even getting into the pay gap thing because I know eff all about it, but do you think women can’t be tools of an antiquated system stacked against them?
Oh heyiz nuns.
” but do you think women can’t be tools of an antiquated system stacked against them? ”
A very broad question. I believe anyone can become a tool of a bad system regardless of their sex.
I don’t believe the “system” is stacked against women, if anything it is tipped in their favour. Look at schools…. they are geared to work for girls, and attitudes and rambunctiousness of male characteristics in boys are demonised. – stacked in girls favour.
Look at the colleges, who is going and who is graduating – stacked in young women’s favour. With women only scholarships and plenty of other pro-women courses as opposed to balance of the sexes. And feminist theory and scholars and advocates practically running colleges as indoctrination centres in the USA….
Check out the book ‘War On Boys’ for detail on most of the above, the proof is in the truth. The proof is in the school and college results.
On the pay gap… here’s one vid (another coming in a mo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBFfI9925Q4
And another…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcDrE5YvqTs
Clampers you have outdone yourself again. Truly you are awful.
You see, this is the problem with discussion of any sort that relates to feminist claptrap.
When someone points out the lies and points to known and proven facts… they get called names by those ignorant of the subject, or those too indoctrinated to recognise the truth.
Call me whatever you want. Truth is what counts, not ideological claptrap.
+1000
The American Enterprise Institute. Really? REALLY? You’re rolling out the Koch Brothers?
There are plenty of vids that discuss all the details in these two vids. But these two vids do it succintly.
Yes, the AEI is a right leaning think tank.
The Brookings Institute is one of the most respected non-partisan think tanks in the USA, but they dont make videos and they have found the same conclusions as the videos above.
You can read more on their findings here (or watch the vids)…. a few conclusions from their work include…
“One source of the current gap is the fact that women still take more time off from work to care for their families.” – not a pay gap, a choice.
” These family responsibilities may also affect the kinds of work they choose. ” – such as, choosing lower paid, more flexible work…
” more likely to work in occupations where it is easier to combine work and family life. ” Harvard Prof Claudia Goldin
” These divided work-family loyalties are holding women back more than pay discrimination per se. ” …more than pay discrimination. “more than”.
” This should change when men are more willing to share equally on the home front ” …when men in similar numbers, choose to work like women (as above) then the gap will narrow. Not a discrimination in pay.
But hey, facts is facts… and the left don’t like facts because it jars with the ideology. When dealing with idealogues you are dealing with persons who have a belief system akin to religion. There opinions should be treated with the same suspicion as anyone would treat a highly religious person like a priest, immam, etc. People blinded from reality by faith.
Facts first.
Ooops, that Brookings Institution link – https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2016/04/12/the-gender-pay-gap-to-equality-and-beyond/
…sorry ’bout typos :(
But why do they make those choices? And why do they have to make those choices? Why don’t their male partners make those choices? And why is flexible work less well paid?
If the genders were on an equal footing, would try not make similar choices in similar numbers?
-try +they
” But why do they make those choices? ”
Because women have a stronger nurture than men, so they prioritise family first over high stress long hour jobs.
” And why do they have to make those choices? ”
See answer above.
” Why don’t their male partners make those choices? ” They are starting to. But they won’t in the same numbers as women. because men and women are biologically different and hard wired differently.
[ Please note that this reason is not accepted by feminism be3cause feminism denies the existence of biological differnces between men because they see gender as totally and utterly a ‘social construct’ …which is complete hokum. Again, the evidence of this is huge. ]
” And why is flexible work less well paid? ” – because flexible work usually means non-managerial or less skilled or less stressful or less pressured, etc. and so is paid less. That’s pretty straight forward in fairness.
” If the genders were on an equal footing, would try not make similar choices in similar numbers? ” No. one need only look at the choices made by those in what are considered to be equal societies such as those in Scandanavia. When you look at the work choices, when women and men are on an equal footing, women still make career choices of jobs that pay less.
As pointed out, by many, including Prof Jordan Peterson of UoT Canada noted of the facts in Scandanavia, that the differences between men and women do not lessen in their career choices when on an equal footing, but widen “exponentially” with, as an example, in the firled of nursing where women out number men 20 to 1…. because of choices made on an equal footing. This is a fact that disproves the vast majority of current feminist propaganda and patriarchy theory but is completely ignored by feminists.
facts is facts.
Ideology is ideology.
Again.. damn typos. Sorry.
Clampers, can I ask how, in your opinion, men and women should relate to each other? What is your view on a man’s role in society? On a woman’s role?
I’m not having a go at you. You post a lot about things you are opposed to. I’m interested to hear what you’re in favour of.
Don’t think you’ll get any answer to that question.
I worry you’re right.
I’m going to keep trying though
“No previous experience necessary.”?
Can you shout abuse at someone indiscriminately?
Do you hate information?
Do you harbour blind faith and a faint sense of superiority?
Apply now!
That’s the average Chelsea fan right there
Why is it legal to harass people going about their own business? Or is it?
It’s a fundamental in a democracy, free speech – if one feels harassed, as a passer by, then it’s not legal or illegal, it’s merely bothersome.
I’m reminiscent of the banner in Father Ted, “Down With Sort Of Thing!”.
“Down With This Sort Of Thing!” – apologies.
It could come under the definition of coercion or harassment, both offences under the Non-Fatal Offenses Against the Person Act of 1997. If the protesters were found to be “watching and/or besetting” the premises in order to coerce someone to abstain from a lawful act, that is Coercion. If the watching and besetting “intentionally or recklessly, seriously interferes with the other’s peace and privacy or causes alarm, distress or harm to the other, and his or her acts are such that a reasonable person would realise that the acts would seriously interfere with the other’s peace and privacy or cause alarm, distress or harm to the other” that is harassment.
I doubt the Gardaí would touch it, though. It’s more hassle than it’s worth unless it becomes serious in their eyes. The advertisement has been carefully worded though, avoiding the word “protest”.
*Non-Fatal Offences
My autocorrect has gone a bit American.
… in other words, merely, “Bothersome”.
You have a surprisingly limited right to be bothersome, as you put it, to other people in public.
Now tell us about the Jobstown protest/unlawful detainment Turgenev
Ha