Any one else have problems loading broadsheet.ie when the front pages of the newspapers are involved. My browser slows down to a crawl while it loads all those images. I probably could use some more RAM but was curious if anyone else has similiar prob?
petey
i read it often on phone and it’s as slow as mo-lasses
jusayinlike
it’s the knights of malta imho..
know man is an island
Opus Dei I heard
petey
i know you’re serious, too
Custo
Get a proper phone
petey
any recommendations?
mildred st. meadowlark
Samsung. I hear they’re really reliable.
And not at all explosive.
Bertie Blenkinsop
What phone do you have Mildred?
( and the number? )
mildred st. meadowlark
I’m a oneplus 2 girl myself.
It’s a lovely little (not so little) device.
And I thought I gave you my number… It’s 16
bertie blenkinsop
Glorious!
petey
but a samsung is what i have (galaxy s7)
classter
yup
Fully Keen
Viewing papers are a nightmare on the app. Fiddly and off putting.
Like yer ma.
Increasing Displacement
Enjoyed comment
Zuppy International
Article 40.3.3
“The State acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate that right.”
If the Irish state presents a referendum that will allow it to abandon its duty to defend and vindicate the right to life of the unborn then that referendum will itself be unconstitutional.
Casey
Fuck off yourself.
know man is an island
Fair play Broadsheet for not editing
Zuppy International
The unmitigated charm of the baby murdering apologists…
Lovely stuff…
mildred st. meadowlark
‘baby murdering apologists’
Do you even hear yourself?
Nigel
I can’t even tell if the apologists are the baby murderers or if they’re apologising for the baby murderers.
Happy Molloy
That’s out how it works because the constitution also provides for referendums to amend the constitution.
Twunt
The referendum will be to change the constitution, that is how they work. That article got there by referendum.
know man is an island
Gobspoo
edalicious
Bang of desperation off you there Zuppy.
Zuppy International
Bang of the baby murderer off you there edalicious.
edalicious
My baby murdering days are probably behind me now at this stage. If only we could say the same about your bizarre compulsion to control women’s reproductive health…
Zuppy International
I don’t control any women, stop making me out to be something I’m not.
mildred st. meadowlark
No you just want to keep the current restrictive laws exactly as they are, which are a violation of the mother’s human rights and her personal freedoms.
So yeah, you do like the idea that there is control over women’s bodies.
Zuppy International
You mean the “restrictive” laws the protect the unborn? Yes, that seems like a good idea to me. I’m against the murder of babies.
Are you trying to claim it’s a woman’s right to murder her child? What kind of barbarian are you?
mildred st. meadowlark
I’m a woman who has carried a child. I’m a woman who was forced to go to Liverpool following a diagnosis of FFA with her first child, and who had to wait while that same child’s remains were posted to her in a box. I’m a woman who actually knows the pain of having to choose abortion and the sting of being failed by my home country.
Which is far more than you will ever be or could possibly comprehend with your childish slurs of ‘barbarian’ and ‘baby murdering apologists’ or whatever shite you spout.
Zuppy International
Now play the victim card.
~ To be fair you do seem quite traumatised by the experience you chose to undergo in another country with a much less enlightened regime
However, if you had let your body follow it’s natural process you would have had the time and the opportunity to grieve properly and without the added emotional baggage.
Stop trying to force your own bad decisions on everybody else.
mildred st. meadowlark
No, I think I would know my own body much better than you. I am not a fupping victim. I am a woman who had make a horrible decision and I chose an abortion.
I chose an abortion because I’d much rather have not gone through the agony of carrying and loving a child only to have it die in my arms. And the fact that this country didn’t care enough, thought more of the life of the child who wouldn’t have made it through even the natural process, as you so delicately put it, of birth, is despicable. And yes, yes I am bitter. I’m furious with the government for not protecting MY interests, the rights and freedoms I am entitled as a citizen of this country. I pay taxes and contribute to society, just as much, if not more than a little nit like you.
I am aware of the consequences of my decision and it has only made me more determined that my daughter will never ever have to make the kind of decision I did. She will never feel that her country is ashamed of her for not wanting to continue a pregnancy that is doomed, that will only lead to heartbreak.
And btw, you’re a fupping hypocrite. How dare you attempt to lecture me on something you know less than nothing about. How dare YOU push your views on me, just because you dislike the idea that women can and do make decisions about their body, and are well capable of understanding what that means.
Shame on you, you nasty little man.
Topsy
Mild – you seem to have a personal involvement or intimate knowledge regarding every topic discussed on BS. Strange that, isn’t it!
mildred st. meadowlark
Do I?
Topsy
A bit of a want in ya – as they say.
Happy Molloy
Are you honestly trying to take the moral high ground with a comment like that? Have a bit of class
Listrade
Others have been way too lenient in describing you Zuppy. This reply is despicable and utterly unforgivable.
I cannot understand what would compel anyone to say this to another human, especially not given the loss and pain Mildred must have suffered.
I don’t think there are any words that would pass the moderator that would be the right description of you right now.
You’re a disgusting, heartless, vindictive ladygarden.
Nigel
It was the country’s bad decision that was forced on her. Bumwipe.
Zoella
Zuppy, you truly are a cretin. “However, if you had let your body follow it’s natural process…” Because you know best, don’t you. Better than the woman making the decision whose body it is, who has been inhabiting that body forever.
mildred st. meadowlark
Hey Zup.
as far as practicable
Please note.
The wording is kinda fudgy I think. What exactly is practicable, in this day and age? Leaving a woman to die from a septic miscarriage, when an abortion would have saved her life? Or is it going against the wishes of a brain-dead pregnant woman’s family, to protect the life of a child?
A little clarification, at the very LEAST, is needed.
Zuppy International
Always with the hard cases making the bad law.
And always with the hidden agenda which is Abortion on demand provided by corporate baby murdering machines.
mildred st. meadowlark
Nice and coherent.
Good job. Everyone is going to take you seriously now.
And don’t address my perfectly valid points, whatever you do.
Zuppy International
You’re terrible at this distraction game.
mildred st. meadowlark
‘corporate baby murdering machines’
Really?
edalicious
Maybe he’s got a point though, what if the baby murdering machines turn sentient?!
mildred st. meadowlark
O.O
mildred st. meadowlark
And while we’re at it, the reason those cases are ‘hard’, is because women with husband’s and families and other children suffered at the hands of poorly written legislation. Medical professionals were unable to do their jobs to the best possible standards.
The fact that we’ve had three very high profile cases in less than 3 years because of this legislature, which is fundamentally flawed, is a big problem.
Zuppy International
Still buying fake news Mildred?
Bless…
mildred st. meadowlark
Says the lad who likes to post things like ‘baby-murdering machines’ and other hysterical nonsense.
Think I’ll stick to the newspaper, thanks.
Listrade
Pretty much the whole issue with the X case was around “practicable”, but also alongside “due regard”. In the X case it was suggested that “due regard” includes all the other rights assigned to an citizen under the constitution, in theory giving more rights to the Mother (as a citizen) than the unborn child.
From an industrial view, practicable tends to roughly mean if it is scientifically and technically feasible to do something, then it should be done.
I don’t think they solved it then or came up with a reasonable test/definition other than where the death of the mother is inevitable due to continuation of the pregnancy, then an abortion is justified. That seemed to be the only agreement.
So a lay interpretation (based on the X case) is that if it is technically feasible to preserve the unborn life, then it must be done as long as there is no immediate and inevitable threat to the mother’s life.
In the PP v HSE case where the pregnant mother was already dead and kept on life support against the family wishes, the judge stated that the treatment must not be ” futile, impractical or ineffective” to preserve the unborn life. As the pregnancy was still very early, it was seen as impracticable to continue with the life support (as the mother was basically rotting in the bed) and there was no practicable means of supporting the unborn child outside the womb.
That seems to be about as much as we have. If the unborn life can be preserved, then it must be, unless it is inevitable the mother would die. as a result.
mildred st. meadowlark
Very interesting. I was too young to understand the X case, and so I would have missed a lot of the ethical debate.
This, along with the brain-dead case, shows how difficult the wording of it is, how hard it is to properly interpret the law.
As it is, I feel that it is wrong to have the rights of the mother entwined like that in the constitution. We’ve seen plenty of examples now as to how the wording of it, the very existence of it, is muddying our doctors ability to correctly do their job.
Listrade
I’m not sure that there is too much sympathy with the doctors as a whole in some cases. There would never have been any constitutional issues with Savita Halappanavar, her death was inevitable and abortion fully justified under the interpretation of the X Case. They chose not to act.
mildred st. meadowlark
It’s even worse when you put it like that.
This country has such a long way to go.
know man is an island
Anyone else think the Sun got it right with their headline?
Could be just as easily applied to those false imprisonment gurriers as well.
Topsy
You’re a real intellectual.
mildred st. meadowlark
Bit like yourself so
know man is an island
Yea I was just thinking that. It’s always nice to get a good peer review
Any one else have problems loading broadsheet.ie when the front pages of the newspapers are involved. My browser slows down to a crawl while it loads all those images. I probably could use some more RAM but was curious if anyone else has similiar prob?
i read it often on phone and it’s as slow as mo-lasses
it’s the knights of malta imho..
Opus Dei I heard
i know you’re serious, too
Get a proper phone
any recommendations?
Samsung. I hear they’re really reliable.
And not at all explosive.
What phone do you have Mildred?
( and the number? )
I’m a oneplus 2 girl myself.
It’s a lovely little (not so little) device.
And I thought I gave you my number… It’s 16
Glorious!
but a samsung is what i have (galaxy s7)
yup
Viewing papers are a nightmare on the app. Fiddly and off putting.
Like yer ma.
Enjoyed comment
Article 40.3.3
“The State acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate that right.”
If the Irish state presents a referendum that will allow it to abandon its duty to defend and vindicate the right to life of the unborn then that referendum will itself be unconstitutional.
Fuck off yourself.
Fair play Broadsheet for not editing
The unmitigated charm of the baby murdering apologists…
Lovely stuff…
‘baby murdering apologists’
Do you even hear yourself?
I can’t even tell if the apologists are the baby murderers or if they’re apologising for the baby murderers.
That’s out how it works because the constitution also provides for referendums to amend the constitution.
The referendum will be to change the constitution, that is how they work. That article got there by referendum.
Gobspoo
Bang of desperation off you there Zuppy.
Bang of the baby murderer off you there edalicious.
My baby murdering days are probably behind me now at this stage. If only we could say the same about your bizarre compulsion to control women’s reproductive health…
I don’t control any women, stop making me out to be something I’m not.
No you just want to keep the current restrictive laws exactly as they are, which are a violation of the mother’s human rights and her personal freedoms.
So yeah, you do like the idea that there is control over women’s bodies.
You mean the “restrictive” laws the protect the unborn? Yes, that seems like a good idea to me. I’m against the murder of babies.
Are you trying to claim it’s a woman’s right to murder her child? What kind of barbarian are you?
I’m a woman who has carried a child. I’m a woman who was forced to go to Liverpool following a diagnosis of FFA with her first child, and who had to wait while that same child’s remains were posted to her in a box. I’m a woman who actually knows the pain of having to choose abortion and the sting of being failed by my home country.
Which is far more than you will ever be or could possibly comprehend with your childish slurs of ‘barbarian’ and ‘baby murdering apologists’ or whatever shite you spout.
Now play the victim card.
~ To be fair you do seem quite traumatised by the experience you chose to undergo in another country with a much less enlightened regime
However, if you had let your body follow it’s natural process you would have had the time and the opportunity to grieve properly and without the added emotional baggage.
Stop trying to force your own bad decisions on everybody else.
No, I think I would know my own body much better than you. I am not a fupping victim. I am a woman who had make a horrible decision and I chose an abortion.
I chose an abortion because I’d much rather have not gone through the agony of carrying and loving a child only to have it die in my arms. And the fact that this country didn’t care enough, thought more of the life of the child who wouldn’t have made it through even the natural process, as you so delicately put it, of birth, is despicable. And yes, yes I am bitter. I’m furious with the government for not protecting MY interests, the rights and freedoms I am entitled as a citizen of this country. I pay taxes and contribute to society, just as much, if not more than a little nit like you.
I am aware of the consequences of my decision and it has only made me more determined that my daughter will never ever have to make the kind of decision I did. She will never feel that her country is ashamed of her for not wanting to continue a pregnancy that is doomed, that will only lead to heartbreak.
And btw, you’re a fupping hypocrite. How dare you attempt to lecture me on something you know less than nothing about. How dare YOU push your views on me, just because you dislike the idea that women can and do make decisions about their body, and are well capable of understanding what that means.
Shame on you, you nasty little man.
Mild – you seem to have a personal involvement or intimate knowledge regarding every topic discussed on BS. Strange that, isn’t it!
Do I?
A bit of a want in ya – as they say.
Are you honestly trying to take the moral high ground with a comment like that? Have a bit of class
Others have been way too lenient in describing you Zuppy. This reply is despicable and utterly unforgivable.
I cannot understand what would compel anyone to say this to another human, especially not given the loss and pain Mildred must have suffered.
I don’t think there are any words that would pass the moderator that would be the right description of you right now.
You’re a disgusting, heartless, vindictive ladygarden.
It was the country’s bad decision that was forced on her. Bumwipe.
Zuppy, you truly are a cretin. “However, if you had let your body follow it’s natural process…” Because you know best, don’t you. Better than the woman making the decision whose body it is, who has been inhabiting that body forever.
Hey Zup.
as far as practicable
Please note.
The wording is kinda fudgy I think. What exactly is practicable, in this day and age? Leaving a woman to die from a septic miscarriage, when an abortion would have saved her life? Or is it going against the wishes of a brain-dead pregnant woman’s family, to protect the life of a child?
A little clarification, at the very LEAST, is needed.
Always with the hard cases making the bad law.
And always with the hidden agenda which is Abortion on demand provided by corporate baby murdering machines.
Nice and coherent.
Good job. Everyone is going to take you seriously now.
And don’t address my perfectly valid points, whatever you do.
You’re terrible at this distraction game.
‘corporate baby murdering machines’
Really?
Maybe he’s got a point though, what if the baby murdering machines turn sentient?!
O.O
And while we’re at it, the reason those cases are ‘hard’, is because women with husband’s and families and other children suffered at the hands of poorly written legislation. Medical professionals were unable to do their jobs to the best possible standards.
The fact that we’ve had three very high profile cases in less than 3 years because of this legislature, which is fundamentally flawed, is a big problem.
Still buying fake news Mildred?
Bless…
Says the lad who likes to post things like ‘baby-murdering machines’ and other hysterical nonsense.
Think I’ll stick to the newspaper, thanks.
Pretty much the whole issue with the X case was around “practicable”, but also alongside “due regard”. In the X case it was suggested that “due regard” includes all the other rights assigned to an citizen under the constitution, in theory giving more rights to the Mother (as a citizen) than the unborn child.
From an industrial view, practicable tends to roughly mean if it is scientifically and technically feasible to do something, then it should be done.
I don’t think they solved it then or came up with a reasonable test/definition other than where the death of the mother is inevitable due to continuation of the pregnancy, then an abortion is justified. That seemed to be the only agreement.
So a lay interpretation (based on the X case) is that if it is technically feasible to preserve the unborn life, then it must be done as long as there is no immediate and inevitable threat to the mother’s life.
In the PP v HSE case where the pregnant mother was already dead and kept on life support against the family wishes, the judge stated that the treatment must not be ” futile, impractical or ineffective” to preserve the unborn life. As the pregnancy was still very early, it was seen as impracticable to continue with the life support (as the mother was basically rotting in the bed) and there was no practicable means of supporting the unborn child outside the womb.
That seems to be about as much as we have. If the unborn life can be preserved, then it must be, unless it is inevitable the mother would die. as a result.
Very interesting. I was too young to understand the X case, and so I would have missed a lot of the ethical debate.
This, along with the brain-dead case, shows how difficult the wording of it is, how hard it is to properly interpret the law.
As it is, I feel that it is wrong to have the rights of the mother entwined like that in the constitution. We’ve seen plenty of examples now as to how the wording of it, the very existence of it, is muddying our doctors ability to correctly do their job.
I’m not sure that there is too much sympathy with the doctors as a whole in some cases. There would never have been any constitutional issues with Savita Halappanavar, her death was inevitable and abortion fully justified under the interpretation of the X Case. They chose not to act.
It’s even worse when you put it like that.
This country has such a long way to go.
Anyone else think the Sun got it right with their headline?
Could be just as easily applied to those false imprisonment gurriers as well.
You’re a real intellectual.
Bit like yourself so
Yea I was just thinking that. It’s always nice to get a good peer review
Well done Dr Peter Boylan! Stand your ground.