This morning.

The Irish Planning Institute annual conference.

The Gibson Hotel, Dublin

Minister for Housing Eoghan Murphy said there has to be changes to planning and development laws to address some of the “ridiculous restrictions” on the efficient use of scarce and expensive building land.

Mr Murphy wants to lift the numerical height caps in the city cores and along key transport corridors.

He also said there needs to be a range of urban solutions including more studios, shared apartments and family units.

He is proposing shared accommodation models to bridge the gap between student accommodation and apartments.

Professionals would have their own en suite bedroom but would have to share a communal kitchen and living area.

He said this type of accommodation is working successfully in other countries for example “the Collective” in London.

His plans also include the removal of a mandatory requirement for parking within 1km of a DART, Lucas, urban rail link and quality bus corridor.

Fight!

Higher apartment buildings among Govt proposals to address housing crisis (RTÉ)

Rollingnews

54 thoughts on “How High?

  1. Anne

    Any comparison of Dublin to London is ridiculous. There is no need for communal living here..except for greed. Pure & simple greed.

      1. anne

        Professions would have their own ensuite bedroom but would have to share a communal kitchen and living area.

        Professionals Rotsey. It’s in bold.

          1. anne

            They do..in what’s commonly known to be our completely dysfunctional property market.

            No privacy, house sharing with strangers in over priced poo holes..ideal living all right. might aswell call it a harem..coz it wont be conductive to family living.

          2. rotide

            What planet are you on Anne?

            Housesharing has ALWAYS been a part of life here in Ireland and in most any country in the world. Do you think the term ‘flatmate’ just poofed into existence 4 years ago? Professionals, Tradespeople, the unemployed, EVERYONE does it.

            Just admit you were wrong and were looking for an excuse to give a FG’er a good pasting.

          3. anne

            A flatmate & a harem are 2 different things.. flatmate my hoop.. this is puposely designed communal living.. for no reason other than pure greed.

        1. Donal

          How exactly is that different to a houseshare? Apart from being in a highrise block. No one considers houseshares to be a negative part of the residential landscape that currently exists, though of course their desirability wanes as one matures

          1. anne

            “No one considers houseshares to be a negative part of the residential landscape”

            You’re doting.

            Have you been living on another planet? You have couples & grown a-ss men & women living in houseshares due to the cost of rent with no privacy..The GRA are saying gardai have to shack up with strangers.. You’re delusional if you think that’s what people want.

          2. gerry

            Lots of people consider them “to be a negative part of the residential landscape”. Proper accommodation for single people is not available at affordable prices so you have houses full of adults sharing a bathroom and kitchen.

          3. Donal

            “Part of the residential landscape”
            Not the entirety of it, not for everybody
            Perfect for oodles of twentysomethings

      2. mildred st. meadowlark

        I wouldn’t have objected to it either actually, when I was first starting out.

        It seems like it could be a good idea, if done right.

        But not if they’re expecting people to shell out mad money like 800-900 quid a month for what is essentially a bedroom and a bathroom.

        1. Donal

          Isn’t that what the students are already being charged for basically the same idea? 245 per week in newmarket is cheapest. Expect 50% more for workers?

          1. anne

            you’re using the current completely dysfunctional property market as a yardstick.. again doting.

          2. Donal

            I’m not sure what you are arguing Anne…

            That these are bad because they serve nobody/force people who don’t want them to live in them/will replace other more tolerable to you forms of residential building?

            That these are bad because rents in them will be high?

            I don’t think they in themselves are an absolute negative
            I do think that the only reason they will be built is because the yield to the building owner will be huge due to cheaper construction costs and skyhigh present rents.

            If there were 20 of these, housing say 10k people, built in Dublin over next 4 years
            And at same time there were 40k other residences of varying type (house/apartment) also built, and the housing crisis were eased, I would have no objection to their existence.

            I would object to everything built in the city in the next 5 years being of this type

          3. Donal

            Everything apart from council built and owned houses are built for pure greed, nobody builds anything without thinking they’ll make a profit

          4. anne

            Yeah..it’s who our government prioritizes is what’s key..the bottomless greed of vultures & landlords, or housing that’s affordable & benefits society at large.

            FG have made it clear who they represent. 8000 plus homeless…it’s a disgrace.

        2. rotide

          The English example they linked to is 200 p/w which is pricey i guess, but that’s including all bills and you are living in a space with a gym, a few bars, games rooms etc. Seems kinda Sweet if im being honest. Some of the rooms looked decent too. Better than some of the shte you get in houseshares.

          1. Alan

            At least in a house you can have a choice about who lives with you. I don’t think you will have a choice in this arrangement. Some dingbat that wont clean up and then constantly using the living room and bringing friends over and forget about anyone else. How can you kick one of these types out. Tenants agreements???? Lets see how well that would be enforced. Bet it will be next to impossible to evict. I think this is a recipe for disaster. Mental health issues will go through the roof.

    1. ahjayzis

      If there was communal living in Dublin for those that like it, the city would be denser and it might have something approaching the critical mass London has for a decent transport network.

    2. Cian

      Ironic that we banned bedsits – shared bathroom but personal bed and living space. Now we’re building shared living but personal bath and bed room!

      1. ahjayzis

        Some bedsits were utterly unliveable though.

        It’s standard official thinking – we can spend money to regulate the amrket and ensure only decent bedsits exist, or fupp it, we’ll just ban the whole idea and head the pub.

  2. Cian

    Sigh. Anyone hording land will keep it un-developed until this is resolved.
    If you have a plot of land and could build 6-storied this year, or (possibly) 18 stories-high next year – would you build or wait?

    1. Donal

      This morning I read in the examiner that the planners advised against quick fixes.
      This afternoon i read that the minister tells the planners he has a list of quick fixes.
      Many of which will quite possibly make the problem worse for exactly this reason

    2. Col

      +1.
      Undersupply is the problem.
      Increased supply is the solution.
      It really is that simple. Anything else is just tinkering. If you don’t force people to build, pay exorbitant taxes or sell, hording will continue – “sure prices are only going up, what’s the rush!”

    3. GoddessDurga

      Not really, Cian. If the councils started to build – attractive, well-built five-storey apartment blocks with big windows and balconies and spacious rooms – it would be like sticking a pin in the balloon of this market. Hoarding would quickly stop and those developers would be clawing each other out of the way to sell the land quick before the price fell.

      The homeless would have to be housed first, and housing them would save the State a fortune in hotel bills for homeless families and healthcare for people made ill by homelessness. It would be easier for these people to work with stable addresses and an end to journeys across cities to get their kids to school; their work would then benefit the economy.

      Once the problem of homelessness is solved more council housing can be built, and the housing can be mixed, so that ghettoes don’t happen, and so that rents can be higher for people who can pay more (as is standard in social housing. The beneficial effect of this should be that networks are created that are not limited to one social class, extending the kind of work people can do and get, and creating a virtuous circle of employment and co-employment and good housing.

      1. SB

        There’s space out in Ballymun for a few blocks of high-rise council flats now that they’ve demolished something or other. What could possibly go wrong?

  3. Gorev Mahagut

    These laws he proposes will be enforced. Others, like the fire safety regulations, will not. Basically he wants 1913-style tenement dwelling FOR PROFESSIONALS. Christ know what he has in mind for single parents, carers, the disabled…

  4. dav

    Considering how poorly our building regulations are monitored and enforced, epically with respect to fire safety any of MR Murphy’s high rises would be death traps on the scale of Grenfell towers. I’ll also mention the lack of investment in Dublin Fire brigade and their limited equipment with respect to fire-fighting buildings over 10 stories and more..

    1. Donal

      DFB aren’t hugely under-invested, and equipment to fight fires over 10 storeys doesn’t really exist much anywhere.
      The construction regulations and enforcement (to compartmentalise so fires can’t spread) are much much more important

  5. Leapleg

    Does Dublin Fire Brigade have the equipment to deal with a tower block fire? With our recent experience of the quality of construction of apartments who will be responsible for signing off on fire safety regs? If we are going to build to 24 stories these are pertinent questions for the minister to answer

    1. dav

      Hopefully someone can ask why builders who have failed fire regulations in the last boom are allowed to build during this latest bubble. I refer to McNamara as 1 example

  6. dylad

    Ah look, an apple phone, remember when they were all the rage and you spent your money on those and craft beer.

  7. taintedlove

    and then you have the ” oirish taste” of the planners and architects going for the aesthetic equivalent of Sharon in a bandeau dress, out on the tear on a Sat night .

  8. gerry

    The article says “affordable prices” but there’s no indication how the “affordable price” will be calculated. That’s not really good enough. When you look at the prices being charged for student accommodation in recent developments I doubt their definition of affordable will correspond to most people’s.

    1. Col

      Take the average monthly salary. Divide by two. Take €100 away.
      Then ignore it all and charge the absolute highest possible rent based on level of desperation of possible tenants due to under-supply! YAAAY!

  9. wellness

    Tinder for the blueshirts. Cheese and crackers in the communal kitchen . Ensuite for self-love.

  10. Barry the Hatchet

    Communal living for professionals? Jesus that’s bleak. At least in a house-share you can choose your housemates.

    I bet it won’t be affordable either. The new communal “student” accommodation that’s been popping up in Dublin 8 and elsewhere costs an absolute fortune. Far more you’d pay to rent an apartment with a friend.

  11. dan

    This just confirms that FG have no intention of doing anything to improve the availability of housing.
    Dublin needs a fully integrated public transport system. I should be able to live 15 miles from O’Connell St and get there in 20 mins, just like other European cities.

    1. Fact Checker

      I think you will struggle to find ANY mass transit system that averages 60kmh.

      I’d personally settle for 20kmh, which Dublin Bus can’t even achieve.

  12. GoddessDurga

    Maybe we should institute a practice where any suggestion by politicians on how life should be improved for the poor should be tested out for five years by the politicians who suggest it?

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