Today’s Irish Times
Shayna writes:
I received a phone call yesterday from the office of The Lord Chief Justice in Belfast regarding comments I had made on Broadsheet.ie. I was asked if I had a lawyer and I was told that I am liable for arrest.
I was instructed to contact Broadsheet to take down any reference to myself in regard to the ‘Ulster Rugby Rape Trial’ – I was the foreperson on the jury. Broadsheet reacted momentarily to comply.
I had a series of phone calls and one email from the Lord Chief Justice’s Office. I did ask: where did the complaint originate? I was told The Irish Times.
I called The Irish Times last night and spoke to a reporter who confirmed this.
The comments I made referring to the case were within the parameters of the judge’s discharge to all the jurors. The one thing she said was: “Do not reveal conversations or discussions that occurred in the jury room.”
Following my comments on Broadsheet, there is now an order, delivered to me yesterday, by Judge Patricia Smyth QC, for the jury members to not comment on this case at all.
I will, of course, abide by this, but hope to keep contributing to Broadsheet on other subjects.
Belfast rape trial juror’s online comments are referred to AG (Irish Times)
Previously: Not Guilty
Hope you’re over the shock Shayna! My heart lept when I read it this morning…
*raises fist* #JeSuisShayna :)
( I hope it’s not too soon for humour )
Never too soon for humour..!! Meanwhile, there are still reporting restrictions in place in the UK. Not so in Ireland where I am free to say that the judge in this case has some serious questions to answer.. and Shayna, all it takes for evil to flourish.. well done.. stay strong
And how much of the 9 weeks of proceedings that you were no doubt in the public gallery for raises these serious questions?
Read the directions..
You are on “probation” now Shayna, so we expect you to be on your best behavior. In future just ask yourself WWJD…;)
Shayna!?! ;-D
What about the comments on Reddit?
Were they real?
What comments?
Who ya gonna call to have a b*tch n a moan? The Oirish Times of course. No need for ‘talk to Joe’ anymore.
Thought it was a bit stupid to be commenting here on it myself..
you must have got a fright
enjoy your weekend now
For what it’s worth, I thought your comments complied completely with the guidelines online and what you stated the judges instructions were.
Im no big city law talkin guy but i highly doubt that you’ll be arrested on the back of anything you said here. most of it was public record.
Will be on to you should I have any legal queries Rotid
Hope he’s pro bono…
Tbh I prefer The Edge.
:D
Can somebody clarify for me
If I wanted to name the accuser on twitter whilst based in Ireland there is actually nothing the court in NI can do?
That’s broadly correct, yes. Twitter would likely comply with any judicial request to have it deleted, mind.
You could theoretically still be lifted the next time you crossed the border.
Jackson is suing Aodhan O’Riordain for a tweet commenting on the verdict.
Did The Irish Times internet police report Aodhan, I wonder.
Are they all from the same old school tie pool?
Asking for a friend?
Really, you should have kept your mouth shut. This is Ireland, there’s always a pernicious rat waiting to do you over…..
Hey Shayna,
The Irish Times grassed you up!
They’ll be organising a bona in Tyrone for ya t’night
And maybe a decade of the rosary
they’re might even be a Broadsheet Blanket Protest
Hon the Broadsheet 1
(btw if I were you now I’d go shopping for the weekend, get me hair done etc, )
Shayna, you fool.
The Psyop continues…
Fake trials, fake news.
You are being had. Your brain is being stirred deliberately.
Verucka’s linking of the Belfast rape trial to Repeal the 8th, was not a mistake, it was deliberate, part of the plan.
The result of all this: Angry women everywhere are now more motivated to demand the ‘right’ to kill their own babies. And all men are bastards.
The strings are obvious to all but those who will not see.
Answer this: Why was the accusers name kept secret while the defendants were named and shamed before any evidence was even heard? You can’t have one party ‘in camera’ and the other party not.
Mistrial.
Except it wasn’t. It was fake.
I love the Internet
Switch out the trial, referendum and leo references for any mass shooting, #qanon and crooked hilary and this could be a post by Bodger
maybe
like maybe
this is all part of the Chess game Bodger is playing
like, the Irish Times grassing his people up to the Brits
Radio 1 mocking his home by calling it BroadShite
before you know it, Amazon (or some other big internet crowd) will be in to buy the gaff
Who is Bodger & why do you refer to him as “himself” like it’s some sort out mom & pop show around here?
Sound with me & himself, you were spouting to Shayna..&” that’s all that counts” nonsense.
If you think you’ve some sort of authority around here, you know what I’d say to that.
I suspect she’s Mrs Bodger, actually.
Have for a while now.
oh
any other reasons why?
In fairness, I’d love to see someone buy the place, like it or not he’s been running the place for nothing for the past 8 or 10 years. He’s earned any bank that comes from it
but shur I’d love ta hear what you have ta say girl
btw Shayna and meself are old Chat Pit comrades
so we go back a bit with JR
oh
and I’m Bodger
Comrades, hardly.
Yeah…last time I looked in the chat pit you were criticising her for not showing up to BSOTT twice. What’s your excuse this time sorta vibe off ya. You probably don’t remember.
Bodger writes coherently too..so eh I don’t think so.
Ran it into the ground.
Sometimes I think you’re all fake accounts controlled by Bodger to give the impression this place is popular and I fall for the ruse everytime I scroll past the posts.
Then I remember I’m Bodger and just don’t have the time with the hours of research I put in.
Anyway, stay woke folks #quinine
The Dread Pirate Roberts of Broadsheet.
“Sometimes I think you’re all fake accounts controlled by Bodger to give the impression this place is popular”
I can confirm that I am in fact “Real”.
I can confirm realPolithick is my ex girlfriend and is very real unfortunately
Any truth in the rumour that Pantibar is having a good friday rapist night? I am asking for a friend obviously.
Harry is revealing his rather interesting sexual fantasies, sorry but I’m straight. Thanks for asking though.
Nah this is david/Salmon reinventing himself again. Lots of laughs.
david do you ever take a rest?
This evening marks the beginning of Passover, so I expect David will get plenty of rest for the next week.
I have a degree of sympathy for him, but help is available to him should he seek it.
A bit like most of us around here, a few sessions of counselling wouldn’t hurt.
I have never seen a nasty reaction like this for people accused of something tried and found not guilty
The facts are this a woman went to a mans bedroom and had sex she also had sex with others in the same room
There was no proof of violence
There was no proof of forcing
There was no screaming
There was no medical evidence of forced penetration that is usual in rape cases
There was no drugging her and she said she never had a drink.
It was her word against them and the jury believed the men
And of course the questions were pretty hard to take
We are talking about rape which is a vile act second only to murder and child abuse.j
These men were celeb and with celeb come groupies
And it looks like when someone realised in the cold harsh light of day that maybe they could be classed as a floozy they decided this was rape.
You do not go back to a house with loads of men with drink then go up stairs to a bed room and have sex with others
“The facts are this a woman went to a mans bedroom and had sex”
How are you defining sex?
Nowt as queer as folk. I am pretty sure the other girls at the party won’t be too happy at being called ” sluttish” by the woman accuser who invited herself back to Mr Jacksons house. Similar hysteria around George Hooks comments.
Lets face it why were the women round the house?
What were they looking for?
That’s the big questions
But we all know
Reputations have been destroyed out of this
Time to move on
So go back to a house, you’re asking for it, is it? What do you mean what were they looking for? What is anyone looking for socialising with others?
She got more than what she was looking for, clearly, anyway.
Re force of violence.. She had bruising & internally bleeding.
so, wrong.
Thank god for mad people, they make me feel sane!
#FREETHEBELFAST1
lol
” one email from the Lord Chief Justice’s Office”….
You should take a screengrab and let us see it, I’d be interested to read the wording of a mail like that.
Ah stop will ya..she might just do it.
Assuming it exists –
not calling Shayna a liar but I’d like to see some proof that any of this happened.
If she posted some in the other thread then apologies in advance.
There was some inference in yesterday’s thread that Broadsheet is verifying Shayna’s reports before publication here.
it just so happens that Shayna has a remarkable event filled life
I said the very same thing to Harrison Ford last week….
He’s Shayna’s ex
Do you believe The Irish Times reporting above without seeing the proof yourself?
I really don’t make stuff up. I forwarded the email to Broadsheet, I think at this stage my credentials have been established. I’m a nobody who happens to be on the electoral register in The North and called for jury duty. I may well be lots of things, but I’m not a liar.
I didn’t read the comments myself but goin off the summary I’m a bit mystified about the mechanics of all this….apart from playing close to the fire what is it exactly that Shayna is having his collar felt for here?
Who is in trouble exactly, Shayna/Broadsheet/both/neither?
Neither. The judge just told her to SFU and BS gets a shed load of free publicity.
Broadsheet didn’t do anything wrong.. if she posted her comments on her own blog, it’d be the equivalent of blaming the blog providing service.
Sounds like the judges directions weren’t clear.
I knew it. The Irish Times, the pathetic, petty bunch of… who could only dream of such a scoop. There was nothing wrong with your comments here Shayna, you made a valuable contribution in the aftermath of the verdict. Pity they had to be removed but at least we got the benefit of your insights before the busy body from The Irish Times stepped in. If only they put half the effort into producing compelling copy themselves.
Exactly! The silver lining, I hope Broadsheet gets the publicity it deserves.
Conor Gallagher take a bow, whoever you are.
+1 Lilly
I found your comments thoughtful and insightful. I wouldn’t have said they were inappropriate or beyond the pale, so to speak.
That’s in reference to Shayna’s comments.
I have a sore head and it’s effecting my ability to be a functioning human today.
Lily, legal expert!
It was incredibly stupid of her to post here, not sure what she thought she would gain from it.
I expect Shayna’s understanding was that they were instructed not to discuss any details of how they arrived at the verdict, but anything already in the public domain was fine?
Dan, pernicious rat! (Thanks Mr Indica).
Because everything is about personal gain in your world.
The Irish Times didn’t “rat” Shayna out, they contacted the authorities in NI in an attempt to check whether the comments had come from a member of the jury. It’s called journalism.
The Irish Times did not contact us, Neil. Are you suggesting the Lord Chief Justice’s office confirmed the identity a juror to the Irish Times? That wouldn’t be journalism.
Is it any wonder that The Irish Times is losing circulation when the newspaper’s first instinct when faced with another publication getting a scoop is to snitch to the authorities to try to close down public discussion?
Why didn’t they try to get ahead of the story and get a fresh angle of their own? If they’re so worried about the law on what can and cannot be reported after a trial, why don’t they get their lawyers to tell them?
I’ve just asked a lawyer, who told me that there is nothing to prevent jurors from talking about a case when it’s finished.
So why doesn’t The Irish Times go and talk to some of the other jury members? God forbid they might give their readers the sort of insight we got on Broadsheet from Shayna.
The Irish Times journalists should be made to watch The Post on loop
lolz…
:-J
Yeah it does wreak of jealousy.
Weren’t that shower of p*ssies afraid of the Prone wan? And Denis O’Redacted’s lawyers when Catherine Murphy spoke about some of his tax funded write offs?
They’d want to grow a pair if they want the scoops & stop whinging about Broadsheet
You’re speling reeks.
+1 Kevin, with bells on.
so my take on this is the IT thought they were being smartarses but BS (rather than taking their bait by defying this incorrect deliberation) are being the better person so to speak by being mannerly & considerate in approach, not out of fear of prosecution? amirite BS?
Missed the comments Shayna, can you please post it all again? Thanks.
lol
If possible, it would be great if BS and Shayna could post something on the case. It would be great to read Shayna’s thoughts in one post, as opposed to chasing (now deleted) comments in a disjointed thread.
I phoned the Irish Times last night and was put through to the news-desk. I had a conversation with Conor Gallagher, then we had a video skype – he’d seen me before in court – I was described as a very tall blonde woman – during the skype conversation he kinda acknowledged my credentials.
I’m a freelance autocue operater – now available for work – sorry, maybe 2 to 3 years, depending how this goes.
Would you not be available for work as a freelancer autowhatsit anyway if you were freelance?
Hope you’re ok there all the same.. all a storm in a teacup really.
No it’s not
A storm in a Tay cup I mean
The Irish Times interfered with the work of another news source
How da’ rhymes with múc that isn’t the story and not whether or not Shayna O’Neill’s bone fides are legitimate.
The Irish Times squealing to the Brits about Broadsheet
C’mon
Shur’ they won’t even send in their front page to Broadsheet.
*sings*
Armoured cars and tanks and guns
Came to take away our Shayna wan
But every man must stand behind
The woman behind the BS wire
Tiocidh
:0)
If I didn’t know better I’d question Shayna’s credibility myself, along the grounds of: “Are you seriously claiming that an Irish Times journalist spoke to you on the phone AND Skyped with you, and didn’t take the brilliant journalistic opportunity of asking you for your insights into the trial and making that the focus of their story? I find it hard to believe…” etc
Sadly, and unfortunately, I don’t find it hard to believe of The Irish Times any more…but I still find it difficult to understand what might be their motivation in turning down a good story. Is it that they’re too busy virtue-signalling? Anyone any insights?
@Kevin Quinn I’m not claiming anything – it was an event that happened. I was told by the Office of the Lord Chief Justice that it was the Irish Times who’d examined my comments on Broadsheet, and contacted them -consequently, instructed me to ask Broadsheet to take down any reference to me on the case – which they did, kinda immediately. (Cheers Broadsheet for that!)
I spoke to the Irish Times reporter, Conor Gallagher, yes and a Skype call – the reason for no more insightful revelations is the fact that I was then bound, by the judge, following my comments on Broadsheet and still am, to pretty much shut up about the case.. The conversation about me talking to a reporter from The Irish Times, then becomes a front page story – I didn’t say anything about the case..
Ha.. damned if you do & damned if you don’t huh?
Were you asked for permission for the Irish Times to print your words? What was the reason you called them? Were you advised it was an interviewed? I take it you called them to have a chat about their concerns & clear things up from your perspective – i.e. the instructions you got from the judge.
I’d be seeking legal advice there if you’re not happy with the Irish Times.. Cant even stand up to that Prone wan, the shower of weasles.
Don’t worry about any of it. If you followed the judge’s directions, you acted in good faith.
Not guilty.
I hope he sues every single one of them on twitter.
Free speech doesn’t exist. And I hope he buys an island from the profits.
Delicious.
…looks like first one into the dock is going to be Senator eYawn O’Riordan for his despicable tweet about Shayna and the other jury members…
One case against BBC and now one against Ó Ríordáin for stating the bleedin obvious. Jackson has no hope of getting the green jersey back now.
On the face of it, the case they have against the BBC is solid (mind, you i don’t know the exact dates involved but you’d assume they do if they are persuing it)
O’Riordan’s tweet was stupid and he knows it, which is why he took it down. It was as much ‘stating the bleeding obvious’ as the many other equally stupid tweets calling for the claimaints name to be made public.
I only read an interpretation of the tweet on boards.ie so obviously not the real deal. But, if Jackson wants to play for Ireland again then running around suing people is not the best way to go about it.
@SOQ
Paddy Jackson won’t play for Ireland again. Here’s what will happen. The IRFU will cite them for bringing the game into disrepute & their contracts will be cancelled with some €€€ thrown in. Himself & his pornstar buddy there will play out the rest of what’s left of their professional careers in Japan or SA but never here. The reason for this is the IRFU aren’t stupid unlike the boyos there. Ireland are lining up nicely having a proper tilt at winning the next WC with all the commercial €€€ that comes with that. there’ll be no room for even the slightest hiccup in the remaining preparations & sports science so a bad smell like like the pornstars there anywhere near camp wont fly. women make up a major portion of the ticket buying fanbase both for the 4 provinces plus are undergoing a very successful push to involve them in the game itself. When you goto a Leinster game for example families & family values are very much extolled. IRFU won’t want me explaining to my son who Paddy Jackson is & why he’s being booed. Trust me whatever your viewpoint on the technicals neither of them will wear the green jersey there unless it’s in the local pub watching Ireland on the box.
and should I somehow be wrong & if it ever comes to pass I will join the protest that will guaranteed happen
I think you’re spot on there
Nailed it there Martco.
@ Martco.
Petty sure he was never the sort who would be the future of Ireland in the first place but this, combined with a system which does not allow rape victims their own counsel, means he can duck off somewhere he is not known.
https://www.belfastairport.com/flights/live-flight-information
sadly nowhere kipp-ey enough on that departures flight board yet to send him although there’s an Easyjet @07:00 to BHX which is close enough to Coventry
goodnight to ye all
I know it might seem like romantic Ireland’s dead & gone but I think this girl has done something very brave & is sacrificing much but maybe without knowing it might well have just sparked a conversation that will lead to a culture change in this country that’s badly needed. if that is so
she at least will get to be more of a hero for Ireland than any of those highly paid & trained perfect physical pornstar specimens ever got to be! I think every decent polite mannerly respectful bloke out there is feeling very bad about what’s happened here…maybe if in the past he has witnessed some of this utter nonsense in the form of “banter” at the workplace or at the pub will next time say something about that and call it out straight instead of staring at his shoes uncomfortably hoping the subject moves on.
C’mere Rottie
Maybe the BBC were just following through with Eddie Jones’s opinion of the Irish Rugby lads
“Scummy Irish”
he’ll be needing his own island
Sinead Redmond is saying some outrageous stuff on Twitter.
Well #SueMePaddy is trending
And unusually for #ing
It’s actually funny
One thing for sure
The lad will never for an Irish side again
If the IRFU can’t dig out a morality clause their sponsors will
Both the times and examiner are lobbying digital safety measures, coincidence that it’s when Leo’s SCU is being dumped on the scrap heap.
Slander existed before the internet. And was applicable to anything you posted online.
Some people think “free speech” they see on American tv shows applies to their online rants.
Some right on twitter eejits in Dublin are sweating and deleting as I type. Funny.
Nah dude, we’re fully ready to be sued over this. We have legal representation lined up already. At least I and my friends do.
Shayna will be ok… nothing incriminating was said and can you imagine the reaction, based on the spontaneous marches yesterday, if they were to target her for giving an opinion.
Nice bit of publicity for the real unbiased record of public opinion in Ireland.
I hope BS doesn’t delete, edit or censor the previous posts without a fight.
:-J
Who needs legal advice when ‘Joe’ is here with his insights.
If you really think Broadsheet is unbiased, you may be beyond help.
So where can I read what was said?
You could try ringing the informer in Tara Street. No doubt he kept a screen shot.
Why would a juror in a high profile case, after exhausting work and despite the cautions issued to him/her by the judge – run straight to a satirical news blog to ‘spill the beans’? What happened to discretion? Not surprised that the AG up yonder is investigating this.
Hogging some limelight? Need for attention? Lack of class?
Desire to communicate, educate and inform from unique perspective?
+1
I remain to be convinced any of this true.
Frilly & himself said don’t worry about it..
Now now Anne
What was said was a confirmation that Shayna really was the Foreperson of the jury in this trail
don’t worry about it are yours
Imagine for a few minutes if we were informed that a jury foreperson, after a trial, was in communication with The Mail Online or Times Online during that trial? It does not look good regardless of the outcome or whomever was on trial.
Ah would ya give over
Shur’ the OJ crowd were writing books and going on telly talk shows
And what have you
Perhaps you could address the question next time without the whataboutery and false equivalence.
That’s not how we do things here.
Ah I know but I thought it was a pertinent and reasonable question to ask… I now think the lady does protest too much
:D
I maintain she’s Mrs Bodger.
(I’ve yet to hear otherwise…)
I think you might be right, Mildred. Lucky Frilly, he’s a good egg.
It would be a wonderful pairing.
And stranger things have happened…
#qanon
herself and himself know
And shur’ thats sound enough…as she would say herself ;)
Oh drama.
Shayna if you are going to be dragged out of your home then pop around to Paul Stafford for hair and makeup at least an hour beforehand?
Also, as there may be the odd photographer passing by, could you ensure you are handcuffed to someone who is half way good looking? Preferably female.
I had lovely chat with a couple of constables of the PSNI, just then (22.00pm) who informed me that it’s now a civil case. Phew!
That’s a relief. It would have been too farcical, everyone acquitted but the juror ends up in the slammer.
TBH Shayna, and please don’t take this the wrong way,
as I would advise one of my own if it was them,
but perhaps you might think about refraining from making comments about all these matters for a short time?
By all means seek advice, but don’t feel pressured to make comments on here.
I wish you all the very best for the future.
Pretty sure this lady knows what she is doing.
#Sue-me-paddy, the top shagger for you too so..
He’s gonna sue you too? Sounds like small willy syndrome to me. Has he no m8s who can give him a lift to the airport?
@Shyayna: Why did you feel the need to post your comments about the trial on this site in the first place? Seven hours after the verdict was delivered?
I can’t speak for Shayna but I’d have thought it a perfectly natural response, having spent several weeks secluded away in a pressure cooker, to relax when it’s over and return to a place where she knows people (Shayna being a BS regular sworn off social media for the duration of the trial), let her hair down and chat. Why is that so difficult to understand?
Difficult to understand because of the sensitivities of this case and its fallout. Respect for the legal process, the individuals involved and the work of a juror would, in my view, be far more important than letting ones “hair down” and having a good old indiscretionary blurt. I’m not attacking the juror for her actions, I just think it was a foolish move. Gossiping, I would call it.
You clearly didn’t read her comments, but don’t let that stop you. Heaven forbid.
Oh nothing will stop me Lilly – these endless tirades of abuse I embark on here.
LOL!
The Lord Chief Justice in Belfast – about as much use as similar toe-rags in the Republic.
”If we only had Old Trumper over here”