Front page of The Sunday Times should result in prison terms and/or resignations.
Spud
Why?
CoderNerd
Destruction of evidence while being investigated. Cover up of medical negligence involving death of women. Promising that the nmh would operate free from influence of religious order.
jusayinlike
+1 criminality corner to corner
Spud
Ah, thought you meant the journos!
Totally agree, but doubt it’ll happen.
Any other country it would no doubt…
SOQ
So, Brexit now means not only remaining in the customs union but also same or similar freedom of movement.
What does Brexit mean again?
Yep
How Old Blighty got her groove back.
John f
The more I look at things the more I think it’s an absolute stitch up. Thersa May campaigned for the remain side in the BREXIT referendum. When appointed Prime Minister one of her first actions was to call a totally unnecessary election that left the British government without a parliamentary majority and greatly weakened. I am not against the idea of BREXIT and understand the valid issues that drove it.
I think this country has made a big mistake being so pro-team EU. Sure we are all popular at the moment because the EU can use us as a stick to beat the British with but the second we are no longer useful it will be back to business as usual.
Remember how they treated us during the banking bailout, how the ECB forced us to pay unsecured bondholders and privatise lucrative state assets? That’s the car we have hitched our wagon on to.
GiggidyGoo
+100
Nigel
What are we supposed to do exactly? The UK didn’t give the repercussions of Brexit in the North or the Republic a moment’s thought until more or less forced to. That’s as much regard they showed for us. You think we should turn down EU support and backing in the hope that the UK…what, remembers we exist unprompted?
ReproBertie (SCU)
We’re not being used as a stick to beat the Brits. We’re using our membership o the EU to protect the cross border trade and industry that is an integral part of our economy. Sasamach has been climb down after climb down after climb down by the British Taoiseach and her inept cabinet. They’re playing it as the EU punishing them but it’s purely their own lack of foresight and incompetence that has them the laughing stock of Europe.
SOQ
Yes but the real problem is the lack of planning or even ideas on the British side. The did not consider the legal implications of the GFA and as yet, have made no workable customs border proposals. I have said this before but the people border must go in the Irish sea because unless they attempt to seal all unapproved roads again, there is no alternative.
The movement of people will be a lot harder to police than goods after all. As though it didn’t have enough problems without an influx of young male foreigners with a chip on their shoulder, what is likely is a Calais type situation in Belfast.
david
been saying this for ages
And finally someone who agrees with me
Watch out for the attacks on your grammar,the remarks that you should leave the country if you are not happy ,then you are thick., you know nothing
Its the Brits fault
Sure they even name the British PM the British teashock and sachanach or some Gaelic new make up phrase for brexit
Then watch out you will have all your posts moderated and delayed in posting
You will be in the naughty step
SOQ
Although the idea of politically motivated religious extremists colonising the cheapest parts of Belfast, mainly east Belfast, does have its own ironic attractions.
Alors
So it’s a big stitch-up that will leave Britain inside the customs union and subject to EU rules but with no votes or decisionmaking powers? What a triumph! How we must envy them! Heh!
MaryLou's ArmaLite
We were asked not to do the bank guarantee, we did, we paid the consequences. Our banks lied to our government and our government lied to us and everyone else. At every step of the bubble to burst we were the principal authors.
Cian
but, but, it was to be the cheapest bailout in the world. Lenihan said so.
JackM
Cowan folded like a old newspaper to the ECB in panic and panic it was at the time, it showed up the incompetence and lack of education skills needed for the 21st Century. Ireland is a far better place than it was when I grew up in the 1970’s . I prefer to be in the EU club than back with the English shouting the odds.
david
NO FAkE NEWS
brexit means UK out and depending on how nasty Europe gets Ireland future depends
We have no government capable of leading us
Meanwhile boy Harris is on the telly instead of getting his hands dirty getting to the bottom of the latest cock up
Frilly Keane
Dunno ’bout ye
But
And I’ve had a drink
So ya know
I think those tapes being destroyed (INM lark btw)
Is a whole new hape of stuff that rhymes with writ
SOQ
It would not be difficult to replicate what was on those tapes. It is just the current full backup minus everything from the tape dates. Although I have never heard of a business deleting emails before. Commitments made via email have a habit of popping up again, especially in courtrooms and can cost a lot of money.
Catherine costelloe
This Republic is known for many years abroad whereby represatives are known to be untruthful/ liars, but rolled out as ” professionals”. Not politically correct to call it but as citizens be aware justice dept is an insult and HSE isn’t too far behind.
If the headline you refer to is Dinny , Irish water will never be privatised. Otherwise he can do as he likes, when he likes. We , however have choice. Don’t buy Indo and turn to off propaganda button.
Lilly
Few people buy the Indo. Its sales have dwindled to a trickle.
napper tandy
some good has to come of this
GiggidyGoo
Hence the gift of advertising revenue (disguised as editorial) that FG endowed on it. One way or another FG finds a route to add flavor the round chocolate sweet
GiggidyGoo
Peculiar that INMs housekeeping suddenly coincides with the investigation into them. But I think I read a few weeks ago that these tapes were copied by the Welsh company, in Wales (as their man on site in Dublin wasn’t getting much assistance by INM staff the tapes were moved),then returned quickly to Dublin.
And yet there are ‘journalists’ still prepared to work in INM?
jusayinlike
state mouthpiece on the ropes..
david
This must be the SCUnit blogging facility
Not one comment about the victims of smear tests
Tony O’Brien must be removed from the HSE from immediate effect pending a garda investigation
Boy Harris must also be removed for his incompetence
Wakey wakey boy Harris peoples lives are at risk
This is not a PR exercise
This is not a drill
This is life and death and you are in charge
MaryLou's ArmaLite
This is solely the responsibility of those in charge of the smear tests, they choose not to share the new information, it is their heads that should role.
Ron
We are at a crossroads. The cancer scandal, the destruction of INM tapes, the collusion to destroy an innocent Garda whistleblower, the NMH now saying their religious ethos will apply to the board. If we do the usual Irish thing and look the other way with the I’m alright Jack’ mentality then we have lost the right to ever challenge the state. I’m asking a serious question but what will it take for the people of Irelabd to go out on the streets like other countries and mass protest until the degenerates that supposedly represent us go. The cancer scandal whatever way you look at it amounts to State sponsored manslaughter. What needs to happen in this country that hasn’t happened already to make people finally say enough is enough?
Bodger
+ 1
Frilly Nation : The Rupture is real
Get out that Manifesto there Bodger
Sheik Yahbouti
Dunno. A huge cut in farming grants? Halving of Childrens Allowance and all other State benefits? An embargo on Prosecco, gin and avocados? I throw me hat at it. I have long advocated marching on Leinster House, (when there’s at least a few of them in there), and dragging these bums out into the street and telling them to sling their hooks – but I’m just a silly old sod. We have had the full range of unbearable scandal and insults, so the answer is: There is nothing so eggregious that ‘the Great and The Good’ can do in this country that we meek, craven mice won’t tolerate.
Ron
I don’t like to admit it, but I think you are right. So what does that say about us as a collective nation of citizens?
Sheik Yahbouti
Ah, Ron, I’m sorry I was so negative – it’s just sometimes the anger boils over. I’m 67 years old and still waiting to live in a Republic. The answer is we keep fighting – to paraphrase the late Tony Benn “there is no victory, there is no defeat, there is only the same battle to be fought over and over again – So toughen up, bloody toughen up!” I loved that guy. If the opposition won’t /can’t hold Government to account then it’s up to us, the citizenry. Constitutional reform? Let’s revert to the 1922 Constitution which was for the people and contained the ‘Citizens Initiative’ – sneakily gutted by De Valera and his mob when they gained power and produced the 1937 Constitution which doesn’t actually accord any rights, unless you are part of the elite.
Sheik Yahbouti
Sorry Ron. To actually answer your question: A shower of cowardly selfish bums who don’t give a damn about anyone other than ourselves? it’s for better than me to Judge. :-D
Lilly
I loved Tony Benn too. We’ve never had his ilk in (southern) Irish politics, not in my memory anyway.
Bull Duggan
Yup.
The Irish are docile and pliable.
And the EU’s useful idiot.
Barnier’s lapdogs will be out doing his bidding this week when he visits Ireland to give Varadkar his sealed instructions from Jean-Claude Juncker.
Michael Collins will be turning in his grave although De Valera, the first person in to the German Embassy in Dublin to sign Hitler’s Book of Condolences, would relish the chance to suck up to Brussels if he was alive.
realPolithicks
Couldn’t agree with you more, Ireland is an extraordinarily corrupt country and always has been. You get scandal after scandal for which nobody is ever held accountable and the Irish people just shrug their shoulders and look the other way.
Frilly Nation : The Rupture is real
Well
They do tune inta Marian tho’
Lilly
It has to be said.
Martco
I listened to RTÉ’s This Week earlier. I usually don’t as it just makes me angry for the rest of my only day off. and of course it has, again.
One of main items covered was the revealing analysis of the State’s own legal papers outlining what they were about to do to Vicky Phelan if she’d tried to challenged them…by “them” I think I mean US….I ask myself how is this possible? How come “The State” i.e. Ireland, us? gets to set out to drive Vicky Phelan & her family into the ground if she’d have the temerity to challenge us?
It’s evil, abhorrent. I don’t know a single man woman or child who would set out to deny Vicky Phelan & her family justice. For my own good.
But yet “The State” gets to do this? but who are they, us? “The State” is a construct representative of us, right? but I’m really confused. It certainly doesn’t sound to me that “The State” is doing something that protects me here. Or you if you’re reading this. Or Vicky Phelan & her family.
Can anyone help me understand what “The State” is, how it relates to us the people/citizens of Ireland & assuming it represents us how being ready to destroy its represented peoples is somehow favourable to us in any way?
If it was a computer “The State” would present a danger, risk & you’d move to decommission it asap, no?
Can anyone help me understand better please?
david
Noonan also did this to hepatitis C victims
And the victims of the magdelaine laundries by this government
The minister for children Catherine zaponne stating the babies in team will not get separate burials
This government I toxic and varadka has no compassion for the weak or defenceless
I will say it again with varadka its incompatible to his culture and psyche
Meanwhile our country is being raped and asset stripped
CoderNerd
Parish pump politics means people vote in these sillies who then behave in this manner, without repercussion from their base. The fault lies squarely at the feet of voters.
Case in point: Lowry.
Martco
but TD’s aside for a minute….
there’s this construct that keeps coming up in our everyday language called “The State”
I think it’s multiple departments defined by scope, each one a hierarchically arranged bunch of administrators, techs, law (& PR of course :) ) civil servants…who are flesh & bone people with families & needs/dreams/occasional emergencies just like me or you or the Phelan family….as opposed to computers or some factory floor equipment…all topped off by some elected TD minister installed by luck/chance/whatever you’re having yourself reason to direct it….direct it to implement the will of the people, act in the interests of the people past, present & future that make up the citizens of this state we live in.
Or have I got this completely wrong?
I’m not being sarcastic here, I’m asking the internet a straight simple question.
If this be true the logic surely is that we did this to Mrs Phelan & her family. We are responsible. And if we give a sht we have to remove this broken construct & replace it with something that does what it’s supposed to do.
CoderNerd
I believe these people think they’re doing the right thing.
People can convince themselves of all sorts so that they’re right.
The disclosures tribunal has revealed something incredibly rotten within Dept. of Justice, where they view a lot of the left as enemies. Withholding files and all sorts of carry on with the garda commissioners “for the good of the state”.
Public scandal involving the dept somehow equals damage to the state and must be silenced. We need root and branch reform and that has to come from the public.
Look at the NMH and the public outcry changing the situation. People power in action. If it turns out that religious ethos will have an influence on procedures carried out then the public must demand Harris’ resignation and hold politicians to account.
Excuse the rant. I am utterly disillusioned with the whole thing at this stage.
Sheik Yahbouti
You are perfectly correct, Martco, the State does view its own citizens as ‘the enemy’, for as long as I can remember. It’s a sort of Bunker mentality. People who try to point this out, however, are dismissed as ‘loony lefties’ who ‘want everything for nothing ‘. This State and the way it functions is long overdue for overhaul. A development of the Citizens Assembly might help, provided they receive meaningful questions to ponder. In the meantime I’m sick of “you voted them in so it’s your fault”. No I didn’t, and no it isn’t. Were we to adopt the Right of Recall in the 1922 Constitution we could curb our representatives who were elected on lies, instead of leaving them to snigger up their sleeves at us before they bail out with their pensions.
Martco
why can’t we construct a new constitution then, one that’s current & fit for purpose?
does that require intervention by force?
straight question, in your opinion Sheik?
Sheik Yahbouti
There’s no reason why we can’t, and the Citizens Assembly could be the way to go. How to obtain it? Either a MASSIVE petition to the Government – or armed insurrection – it’s up to them what they prefer, but we CAN’T continue this way.
jusayinlike
+1 Sheik
+1 Martco
Cian
@Sheik: if we had the right to call a referendum on collecting 50,000 signatures – what you propose as the first few referendum (yes/no) questions?
What exactly do you want added/removed from the Constitution?
david
The EU is one big parish pumps politics
Germany parish pump
France parish pump
Ireland parish pump
UK ex parish pump politics from the future onwards
The whole world uses parish pump politics
What we are talking about is out and out corruption.
And we have no government.
Just KAPOs a word that describes the Jews who kept the Jews in line from ghetto to cattle train to concentration camp ,to gas chamber
The KAPO was of course the last one in who closed the door with the rather confused look on his face which was I did my job I thought I was exempt
Its time we woke up because brexit is going to ruin us and we must have plan B in place, our little Leo verruca and his Ireland’s got talent cabinet are like lambs to the slaughter and we will be the ones paying the price.
david
I would say its about legal action.
They shut everything down refuse to accept liability then as the legal process starts all hurdles put in the way no matter how inhuman or wrong
Then its a case of settling in court
Sadly its not those who do the wrong that pay its us
And all remain faceless and their reputations intact
The savita case was a prime example
Those doctors who treated her
Withheld life saving treatment using the legal definition to the extreme callous and frankly a stain on the medical profession
Then hiding behind an argument in law about what defined death
And where are these doctors now?
Faceless and free to do the same with another unfortunate victim
And look at the result
If savita was given the life saving treatment we would not be where we are at the moment
A divided country out and out hatred and possible either abortion on demand or other savita’s facing the same future
Nigel
Yes they were legally constrained from acting by the 8th which is why we need to get rid of the 8th because it caused all the terrible things you describe.
david
There was not
Those doctors could of saved savita’s life but did not
I would say if they would of acted no legal case would of been won, or taken by the state
But its all hypothetical as they allowed her to die
Which was hiding and an excuse
Ever wonder if those doctors are still working in a hospital in this country?
The journal have a very good article on how the 8th amendment and how it pertains to Savita’s death. It goes into the factors which influenced her death and to what extent, and how the 8th amendment fits into it.
Keep an open mind reading it, because – like most things with abortion – there is no clear cut answer. I found it very informative and well written.
Nigel
Either the 8th was the cause or the 8th provided cover for those who caused it either way gotta go.
mildred st. meadowlark
The 8th absolutely affected how the medical staff approached her treatment.
It was never as simple as denying her an abortion because “this is a Catholic country.” (I feel so sorry for the woman who uttered those words.)
It was a host of factors which caused Savita’s death; the 8th is just one of them – although by far the most far-reaching and problematic of them.
SOQ
But Mildred was she not right? As far as women’s health care goes, it is a Catholic country, it really is that extreme.
To his credit, the 8th probably wouldn’t even be up for consideration if it wasn’t for Leo and equal marriage was a Labour initiate. I mean, just look at the school system?
Any changes so far have been bottom up because the people are way ahead of official Ireland. The further up the social classes you go, the more aligned it is to the church. How does Iona get so much air time?
david
One of my reasons for saying no to repeal the eight
We cannot trust this government to do one thing properly from health care to housing to ensuring fair play and people are not ripped off
Scandal after scandal after scandal
I have born nothing but insults on my posts which are based on fact
We have brexit that’s heading to a disaster thousands of kids homeless
We have a massive crises
We see the response of boy Harris which reeks of bury this
Tony O’Brien should be arrested over this latest scandal as he was the one who gave the contract to the company that cocked up. We need to know was his palm greased by cash,
Its been years, and the HSE knew about these wrong results and they sat on it. Was it under order by O’brien
Was the delay in informing these victims due to he wanted to scraper into retirement with his pension before the shit hit the fan
Serious questions must be asked and its criminal investigation with all involved no longer hiding behind being anonymous and protected by the state
And it must be treated as a criminal investigation,The HSE must be disbanded and all management sacked not laid off or transferred or pensioned SACKED
Those identified directly responsible jailed
Time boy Harris is gone
Mick martins duty is to ensure another farce like Fitzgerald O’Sullivan shatter callings is not repeated
By Tuesday these heads must be on a plate
Nigel
I love how shoddy health treatment of women leading to death is now another reason for retaining something that ensures shoddy health treatments for women and has lead to death. It’s almost as if you don’t actually give a damn about women receiving shoddy health treatment leading to deaths.
Frilly Keane
Before you start making yourself out’ta be a martyr there david with yer born nothing but insults tripe
You should take yerself back to that Priorities thread from earlier in the week there and clean up your own insults
Unless you’ve already obliged with a retraction and apology, n’ stuff
Have ya?
david
I am not making myself out to be a martyr.
Those were not insults and where’s your grammar you are very keen to point out
You cannot even state one fact that disproves what I say
Maybe you are in little Leo verruca’s SCUnit blogging at taxpayers expense
Those so called insults directed at O’Brien who has a hell of a lot to answer regarding smear tests
Harris who like some young child toys at health as people die and varadka and his team whose negligence effects us all ,have to answer for their incompetence
Ireland has no room for these individuals and I expect more from those who serve the Irish nation
To be honest removing pieces of our constitution and handing it to them with their form is suicidal and a thing our country will regret for many decades
mildred st. meadowlark
Climb down off your high horse there and stem the ranting for five minutes.
You’re every bit as bad for insulting and name calling fellow commenters here. At least have a bit of self respect and own up to it.
If you want a respectful debate, then stop acting like a child. It’s pretty simple, no? If you can’t be civil, why would anyone be civil in response?
ReproBertie (SCU)
So now Sasamach and the homeless crisis are reasons to vote against Repeal. More “throw enough muck” nonsense from the anti-women, No mob’s chief of whataboutery.
david
Bertie game to the end
Lets put it this way
I do not trust this government so I will not trust them to do what is right if we remove one piece more of our constitution
Unless they print exactly what laws are to be introduced I will vote no
If the print abortion on demand I will vote no
If they print FFA I will vote yes
If they print if giving birth to a baby will endanger the mental health of the mother I will vote yes
Simple
Not too hard to follow Bertie is it
Sadly the repeal mob have created a monster that many citizens will on the day say no
Thanks to the citizens assembly this became like gay Byrnes there is one for everyone in the audience
ReproBertie (SCU)
The proposed law has been published. That is what the government intend to replace it with. Now you’ll say that can be amended in the Dáil debates, which is true, but if you accept that then, knowing that the 8th needs to be repealed before legislation can be debated then you have to accept that your demand is impossible and you repeat it purely as a nonsense.
david
Do you actually read
I clearly state I do not trust this government to do anything right
These things I point out like homelessness brexit smear tests scandals after scandals are REASONS why I do not trust them
Repeal is to repeal a segment of our constitution and my vote is the only thing I can do to try and stop them making another cock up of our future generations who will be paying for all this incompetence years after we are all dead
Nigel
The existence of the 8th IS the cock-up. Repealing it is one less thing wrong with this country.
ReproBertie (SCU)
Yeah, I read the bit where you said you’d vote No unless they told us what was coming next and responded to show you why that was just empty nonsense from someone who is happy to vote for more women to die.
Nothing has changed your position and nothing will. You will throw every sort of distraction and impossible demand into the conversation to try and confuse the issue in the hopes of dissuading people from seeing what this issue is actually about.
And what’s that? It’s about removing bad law from our constitution. It’s that simple.
Nothing to do with Sasamach, travellers, the EU, the smear test scandal, the nazis, moving statues, Tulsa, the banks, Irish water, the HSE bullying pregnant women, Israel or whatever other garbage you want to throw at it.
Ron
I agree with everything said above. So why aren’t we out on the streets in mass protests? Whats stopping us?
Frilly Keane
Are you tied up
In prison
Like What’s stopping ya
CoderNerd
Some people want to protest, but don’t want to protest alongside the likes of Sinn Fein or Ming or pinko lefties etc….
SPLITTERS!!!
Others just don’t care. Ask your friends about current political stories and see how many even know about what is going on.
Sheik Yahbouti
So it’s basic social fragmentation and lack of any solidarity whatever? Sounds about right.
Martco
well Sheik
I’m with you
Frilly Keane
Shur’ I might as well
I’ve kept worse company
david
I remember going on a protest against water charges
When I got to merrion square and listened to the Muppets making political gain out of it I just went home
Imthought what a missed opportunity
I said to my pal Michael
This is achieving nothing, but if the people attending would of included people in suits and the professional workers we might just see some change
For the life of me I cannot entertain a party like Sinn feinn who cannot even apologise to the victims of their blood letting
Even though all others did
And for them to sit in our dail is obscene
Sadly for Ireland no option has emerged to lead us
Just the murders of the past Sinn feinn
The cannot pay will not pay people before prophet
The bunch that landed us in the bust fianna fail
And the ones that sold us off the KAPOs whose lust for power was insatiable
Fine Gael the new independents labour
I think we need a Donald trump to drain our rancid swamp
Nigel
I’d say you do think that all right.
mildred st. meadowlark
you know nidgel
It’s been a terriffic weekend and the
sun actually shone for
a few hous there
and as I said to my freind fat sally
I’m only roasting
shall we have a drink
and of course she said yars
I’m wondering if anyone will even.bother to read mu incomprehensible nonsense
but if they do I hope
theyvare ENRAGED
so I cam have my opportunity to
pretend to be mortally offended
would you like to konw a secret?
I don’t own any matchig socks
no sir I do not
and if you were to offer me. pair I would likely slap you in the face
with at least one
but most likely both of them
I bid you a good day sir
Brother Barnabas
i want to hear more about fat sally
mildred st. meadowlark
Funny story. She’s not actually fat. Or called sally for that matter. She is a marvellous dancer and is married to a nice Swedish man called Ville.
Nigel
Sock it to me.
mildred st. meadowlark
You are my hero.
SOQ
Def editing needed.
david
WEare Irish
When the editor of vanity fair did an article on the bust after visiting us,when Ireland had to get I the IMF and troika
The editor wrote that there was a sort of eerie atmosphere in Ireland
The editor quoted I other countries you would of got riots, but the Irish just soaked it up and became very bitter
I suppose its like the famine
I remember looking at news articles from correspondents of the English media at the time wondering why no riots one actually stated that if the famine would of been in India the Indians would of revolted
But we as a nation soak it up and people are too worried that they might loose their home if they do not play ball as all around them loose theirs
Maybe people need to read these reports at the time and actually you see a very familiar pattern in the Irish psyche
I suppose people just do not know what to do and its as long as I am ok we will weather this
Sadly our country is being raped and the next crash will be devastating as nothing is left
It will be like what the Greeks got
ReproBertie (SCU)
“Our country is being raped.”
You do love your dramatic statements. How is our country being raped?
Frill the 8th
Ah here david you love using the word rape
Don’t ya
Like so much
You go ’round here making it look like tis other people
How do you equate the comments on this thread to anyone hating Ireland?
SOQ
Seriously? It’s UKIP on tour.
ReproBertie (SCU)
Never forget that it is in Britain’s interests to make the EU look weak and to turn Ireland against the EU. They have no strong bargaining position as long as Ireland is committed to the EU. Hence their desperation, disappointment and disbelief that we won’t just do their bidding like a good little colony.
Sheik Yahbouti
I don’t hate Ireland, I love it – that’s why I want to make it fairer, more hopeful, more decent and better all around – and I don’t believe the bunch of Tories we have in charge are the people to do that.
Brother Barnabas
+1916
david
Not Ireland haters
The government haters
For the government has destroyed Ireland future and has stood back as all and sundry have raped us
The next five generations will be paying for the mistakes and incompetence this lot have done
I love my country with passion but hate what these individuals have done
The latest now is the smear tests and the extent this government were prepared to go to ruin this woman who now is dying with cancer
ReproBertie (SCU)
Rape again. How is Ireland being raped?
david
a figure of speech
Used in the context
You found your insurance doubled
You feel either robbed or raped
Lilly
Which are bigger chancers, medics or politicians? They make used car salesmen look like Mormons.
Front page of The Sunday Times should result in prison terms and/or resignations.
Why?
Destruction of evidence while being investigated. Cover up of medical negligence involving death of women. Promising that the nmh would operate free from influence of religious order.
+1 criminality corner to corner
Ah, thought you meant the journos!
Totally agree, but doubt it’ll happen.
Any other country it would no doubt…
So, Brexit now means not only remaining in the customs union but also same or similar freedom of movement.
What does Brexit mean again?
How Old Blighty got her groove back.
The more I look at things the more I think it’s an absolute stitch up. Thersa May campaigned for the remain side in the BREXIT referendum. When appointed Prime Minister one of her first actions was to call a totally unnecessary election that left the British government without a parliamentary majority and greatly weakened. I am not against the idea of BREXIT and understand the valid issues that drove it.
I think this country has made a big mistake being so pro-team EU. Sure we are all popular at the moment because the EU can use us as a stick to beat the British with but the second we are no longer useful it will be back to business as usual.
Remember how they treated us during the banking bailout, how the ECB forced us to pay unsecured bondholders and privatise lucrative state assets? That’s the car we have hitched our wagon on to.
+100
What are we supposed to do exactly? The UK didn’t give the repercussions of Brexit in the North or the Republic a moment’s thought until more or less forced to. That’s as much regard they showed for us. You think we should turn down EU support and backing in the hope that the UK…what, remembers we exist unprompted?
We’re not being used as a stick to beat the Brits. We’re using our membership o the EU to protect the cross border trade and industry that is an integral part of our economy. Sasamach has been climb down after climb down after climb down by the British Taoiseach and her inept cabinet. They’re playing it as the EU punishing them but it’s purely their own lack of foresight and incompetence that has them the laughing stock of Europe.
Yes but the real problem is the lack of planning or even ideas on the British side. The did not consider the legal implications of the GFA and as yet, have made no workable customs border proposals. I have said this before but the people border must go in the Irish sea because unless they attempt to seal all unapproved roads again, there is no alternative.
The movement of people will be a lot harder to police than goods after all. As though it didn’t have enough problems without an influx of young male foreigners with a chip on their shoulder, what is likely is a Calais type situation in Belfast.
been saying this for ages
And finally someone who agrees with me
Watch out for the attacks on your grammar,the remarks that you should leave the country if you are not happy ,then you are thick., you know nothing
Its the Brits fault
Sure they even name the British PM the British teashock and sachanach or some Gaelic new make up phrase for brexit
Then watch out you will have all your posts moderated and delayed in posting
You will be in the naughty step
Although the idea of politically motivated religious extremists colonising the cheapest parts of Belfast, mainly east Belfast, does have its own ironic attractions.
So it’s a big stitch-up that will leave Britain inside the customs union and subject to EU rules but with no votes or decisionmaking powers? What a triumph! How we must envy them! Heh!
We were asked not to do the bank guarantee, we did, we paid the consequences. Our banks lied to our government and our government lied to us and everyone else. At every step of the bubble to burst we were the principal authors.
but, but, it was to be the cheapest bailout in the world. Lenihan said so.
Cowan folded like a old newspaper to the ECB in panic and panic it was at the time, it showed up the incompetence and lack of education skills needed for the 21st Century. Ireland is a far better place than it was when I grew up in the 1970’s . I prefer to be in the EU club than back with the English shouting the odds.
NO FAkE NEWS
brexit means UK out and depending on how nasty Europe gets Ireland future depends
We have no government capable of leading us
Meanwhile boy Harris is on the telly instead of getting his hands dirty getting to the bottom of the latest cock up
Dunno ’bout ye
But
And I’ve had a drink
So ya know
I think those tapes being destroyed (INM lark btw)
Is a whole new hape of stuff that rhymes with writ
It would not be difficult to replicate what was on those tapes. It is just the current full backup minus everything from the tape dates. Although I have never heard of a business deleting emails before. Commitments made via email have a habit of popping up again, especially in courtrooms and can cost a lot of money.
This Republic is known for many years abroad whereby represatives are known to be untruthful/ liars, but rolled out as ” professionals”. Not politically correct to call it but as citizens be aware justice dept is an insult and HSE isn’t too far behind.
If the headline you refer to is Dinny , Irish water will never be privatised. Otherwise he can do as he likes, when he likes. We , however have choice. Don’t buy Indo and turn to off propaganda button.
Few people buy the Indo. Its sales have dwindled to a trickle.
some good has to come of this
Hence the gift of advertising revenue (disguised as editorial) that FG endowed on it. One way or another FG finds a route to add flavor the round chocolate sweet
Peculiar that INMs housekeeping suddenly coincides with the investigation into them. But I think I read a few weeks ago that these tapes were copied by the Welsh company, in Wales (as their man on site in Dublin wasn’t getting much assistance by INM staff the tapes were moved),then returned quickly to Dublin.
And yet there are ‘journalists’ still prepared to work in INM?
state mouthpiece on the ropes..
This must be the SCUnit blogging facility
Not one comment about the victims of smear tests
Tony O’Brien must be removed from the HSE from immediate effect pending a garda investigation
Boy Harris must also be removed for his incompetence
Wakey wakey boy Harris peoples lives are at risk
This is not a PR exercise
This is not a drill
This is life and death and you are in charge
This is solely the responsibility of those in charge of the smear tests, they choose not to share the new information, it is their heads that should role.
We are at a crossroads. The cancer scandal, the destruction of INM tapes, the collusion to destroy an innocent Garda whistleblower, the NMH now saying their religious ethos will apply to the board. If we do the usual Irish thing and look the other way with the I’m alright Jack’ mentality then we have lost the right to ever challenge the state. I’m asking a serious question but what will it take for the people of Irelabd to go out on the streets like other countries and mass protest until the degenerates that supposedly represent us go. The cancer scandal whatever way you look at it amounts to State sponsored manslaughter. What needs to happen in this country that hasn’t happened already to make people finally say enough is enough?
+ 1
Get out that Manifesto there Bodger
Dunno. A huge cut in farming grants? Halving of Childrens Allowance and all other State benefits? An embargo on Prosecco, gin and avocados? I throw me hat at it. I have long advocated marching on Leinster House, (when there’s at least a few of them in there), and dragging these bums out into the street and telling them to sling their hooks – but I’m just a silly old sod. We have had the full range of unbearable scandal and insults, so the answer is: There is nothing so eggregious that ‘the Great and The Good’ can do in this country that we meek, craven mice won’t tolerate.
I don’t like to admit it, but I think you are right. So what does that say about us as a collective nation of citizens?
Ah, Ron, I’m sorry I was so negative – it’s just sometimes the anger boils over. I’m 67 years old and still waiting to live in a Republic. The answer is we keep fighting – to paraphrase the late Tony Benn “there is no victory, there is no defeat, there is only the same battle to be fought over and over again – So toughen up, bloody toughen up!” I loved that guy. If the opposition won’t /can’t hold Government to account then it’s up to us, the citizenry. Constitutional reform? Let’s revert to the 1922 Constitution which was for the people and contained the ‘Citizens Initiative’ – sneakily gutted by De Valera and his mob when they gained power and produced the 1937 Constitution which doesn’t actually accord any rights, unless you are part of the elite.
Sorry Ron. To actually answer your question: A shower of cowardly selfish bums who don’t give a damn about anyone other than ourselves? it’s for better than me to Judge. :-D
I loved Tony Benn too. We’ve never had his ilk in (southern) Irish politics, not in my memory anyway.
Yup.
The Irish are docile and pliable.
And the EU’s useful idiot.
Barnier’s lapdogs will be out doing his bidding this week when he visits Ireland to give Varadkar his sealed instructions from Jean-Claude Juncker.
Michael Collins will be turning in his grave although De Valera, the first person in to the German Embassy in Dublin to sign Hitler’s Book of Condolences, would relish the chance to suck up to Brussels if he was alive.
Couldn’t agree with you more, Ireland is an extraordinarily corrupt country and always has been. You get scandal after scandal for which nobody is ever held accountable and the Irish people just shrug their shoulders and look the other way.
Well
They do tune inta Marian tho’
It has to be said.
I listened to RTÉ’s This Week earlier. I usually don’t as it just makes me angry for the rest of my only day off. and of course it has, again.
One of main items covered was the revealing analysis of the State’s own legal papers outlining what they were about to do to Vicky Phelan if she’d tried to challenged them…by “them” I think I mean US….I ask myself how is this possible? How come “The State” i.e. Ireland, us? gets to set out to drive Vicky Phelan & her family into the ground if she’d have the temerity to challenge us?
It’s evil, abhorrent. I don’t know a single man woman or child who would set out to deny Vicky Phelan & her family justice. For my own good.
But yet “The State” gets to do this? but who are they, us? “The State” is a construct representative of us, right? but I’m really confused. It certainly doesn’t sound to me that “The State” is doing something that protects me here. Or you if you’re reading this. Or Vicky Phelan & her family.
Can anyone help me understand what “The State” is, how it relates to us the people/citizens of Ireland & assuming it represents us how being ready to destroy its represented peoples is somehow favourable to us in any way?
If it was a computer “The State” would present a danger, risk & you’d move to decommission it asap, no?
Can anyone help me understand better please?
Noonan also did this to hepatitis C victims
And the victims of the magdelaine laundries by this government
The minister for children Catherine zaponne stating the babies in team will not get separate burials
This government I toxic and varadka has no compassion for the weak or defenceless
I will say it again with varadka its incompatible to his culture and psyche
Meanwhile our country is being raped and asset stripped
Parish pump politics means people vote in these sillies who then behave in this manner, without repercussion from their base. The fault lies squarely at the feet of voters.
Case in point: Lowry.
but TD’s aside for a minute….
there’s this construct that keeps coming up in our everyday language called “The State”
I think it’s multiple departments defined by scope, each one a hierarchically arranged bunch of administrators, techs, law (& PR of course :) ) civil servants…who are flesh & bone people with families & needs/dreams/occasional emergencies just like me or you or the Phelan family….as opposed to computers or some factory floor equipment…all topped off by some elected TD minister installed by luck/chance/whatever you’re having yourself reason to direct it….direct it to implement the will of the people, act in the interests of the people past, present & future that make up the citizens of this state we live in.
Or have I got this completely wrong?
I’m not being sarcastic here, I’m asking the internet a straight simple question.
If this be true the logic surely is that we did this to Mrs Phelan & her family. We are responsible. And if we give a sht we have to remove this broken construct & replace it with something that does what it’s supposed to do.
I believe these people think they’re doing the right thing.
People can convince themselves of all sorts so that they’re right.
The disclosures tribunal has revealed something incredibly rotten within Dept. of Justice, where they view a lot of the left as enemies. Withholding files and all sorts of carry on with the garda commissioners “for the good of the state”.
Public scandal involving the dept somehow equals damage to the state and must be silenced. We need root and branch reform and that has to come from the public.
Look at the NMH and the public outcry changing the situation. People power in action. If it turns out that religious ethos will have an influence on procedures carried out then the public must demand Harris’ resignation and hold politicians to account.
Excuse the rant. I am utterly disillusioned with the whole thing at this stage.
You are perfectly correct, Martco, the State does view its own citizens as ‘the enemy’, for as long as I can remember. It’s a sort of Bunker mentality. People who try to point this out, however, are dismissed as ‘loony lefties’ who ‘want everything for nothing ‘. This State and the way it functions is long overdue for overhaul. A development of the Citizens Assembly might help, provided they receive meaningful questions to ponder. In the meantime I’m sick of “you voted them in so it’s your fault”. No I didn’t, and no it isn’t. Were we to adopt the Right of Recall in the 1922 Constitution we could curb our representatives who were elected on lies, instead of leaving them to snigger up their sleeves at us before they bail out with their pensions.
why can’t we construct a new constitution then, one that’s current & fit for purpose?
does that require intervention by force?
straight question, in your opinion Sheik?
There’s no reason why we can’t, and the Citizens Assembly could be the way to go. How to obtain it? Either a MASSIVE petition to the Government – or armed insurrection – it’s up to them what they prefer, but we CAN’T continue this way.
+1 Sheik
+1 Martco
@Sheik: if we had the right to call a referendum on collecting 50,000 signatures – what you propose as the first few referendum (yes/no) questions?
What exactly do you want added/removed from the Constitution?
The EU is one big parish pumps politics
Germany parish pump
France parish pump
Ireland parish pump
UK ex parish pump politics from the future onwards
The whole world uses parish pump politics
What we are talking about is out and out corruption.
And we have no government.
Just KAPOs a word that describes the Jews who kept the Jews in line from ghetto to cattle train to concentration camp ,to gas chamber
The KAPO was of course the last one in who closed the door with the rather confused look on his face which was I did my job I thought I was exempt
Its time we woke up because brexit is going to ruin us and we must have plan B in place, our little Leo verruca and his Ireland’s got talent cabinet are like lambs to the slaughter and we will be the ones paying the price.
I would say its about legal action.
They shut everything down refuse to accept liability then as the legal process starts all hurdles put in the way no matter how inhuman or wrong
Then its a case of settling in court
Sadly its not those who do the wrong that pay its us
And all remain faceless and their reputations intact
The savita case was a prime example
Those doctors who treated her
Withheld life saving treatment using the legal definition to the extreme callous and frankly a stain on the medical profession
Then hiding behind an argument in law about what defined death
And where are these doctors now?
Faceless and free to do the same with another unfortunate victim
And look at the result
If savita was given the life saving treatment we would not be where we are at the moment
A divided country out and out hatred and possible either abortion on demand or other savita’s facing the same future
Yes they were legally constrained from acting by the 8th which is why we need to get rid of the 8th because it caused all the terrible things you describe.
There was not
Those doctors could of saved savita’s life but did not
I would say if they would of acted no legal case would of been won, or taken by the state
But its all hypothetical as they allowed her to die
Which was hiding and an excuse
Ever wonder if those doctors are still working in a hospital in this country?
http://www.thejournal.ie/eighth-amendment-4-3977441-Apr2018/
The journal have a very good article on how the 8th amendment and how it pertains to Savita’s death. It goes into the factors which influenced her death and to what extent, and how the 8th amendment fits into it.
Keep an open mind reading it, because – like most things with abortion – there is no clear cut answer. I found it very informative and well written.
Either the 8th was the cause or the 8th provided cover for those who caused it either way gotta go.
The 8th absolutely affected how the medical staff approached her treatment.
It was never as simple as denying her an abortion because “this is a Catholic country.” (I feel so sorry for the woman who uttered those words.)
It was a host of factors which caused Savita’s death; the 8th is just one of them – although by far the most far-reaching and problematic of them.
But Mildred was she not right? As far as women’s health care goes, it is a Catholic country, it really is that extreme.
To his credit, the 8th probably wouldn’t even be up for consideration if it wasn’t for Leo and equal marriage was a Labour initiate. I mean, just look at the school system?
Any changes so far have been bottom up because the people are way ahead of official Ireland. The further up the social classes you go, the more aligned it is to the church. How does Iona get so much air time?
One of my reasons for saying no to repeal the eight
We cannot trust this government to do one thing properly from health care to housing to ensuring fair play and people are not ripped off
Scandal after scandal after scandal
I have born nothing but insults on my posts which are based on fact
We have brexit that’s heading to a disaster thousands of kids homeless
We have a massive crises
We see the response of boy Harris which reeks of bury this
Tony O’Brien should be arrested over this latest scandal as he was the one who gave the contract to the company that cocked up. We need to know was his palm greased by cash,
Its been years, and the HSE knew about these wrong results and they sat on it. Was it under order by O’brien
Was the delay in informing these victims due to he wanted to scraper into retirement with his pension before the shit hit the fan
Serious questions must be asked and its criminal investigation with all involved no longer hiding behind being anonymous and protected by the state
And it must be treated as a criminal investigation,The HSE must be disbanded and all management sacked not laid off or transferred or pensioned SACKED
Those identified directly responsible jailed
Time boy Harris is gone
Mick martins duty is to ensure another farce like Fitzgerald O’Sullivan shatter callings is not repeated
By Tuesday these heads must be on a plate
I love how shoddy health treatment of women leading to death is now another reason for retaining something that ensures shoddy health treatments for women and has lead to death. It’s almost as if you don’t actually give a damn about women receiving shoddy health treatment leading to deaths.
Before you start making yourself out’ta be a martyr there david with yer born nothing but insults tripe
You should take yerself back to that Priorities thread from earlier in the week there and clean up your own insults
Unless you’ve already obliged with a retraction and apology, n’ stuff
Have ya?
I am not making myself out to be a martyr.
Those were not insults and where’s your grammar you are very keen to point out
You cannot even state one fact that disproves what I say
Maybe you are in little Leo verruca’s SCUnit blogging at taxpayers expense
Those so called insults directed at O’Brien who has a hell of a lot to answer regarding smear tests
Harris who like some young child toys at health as people die and varadka and his team whose negligence effects us all ,have to answer for their incompetence
Ireland has no room for these individuals and I expect more from those who serve the Irish nation
To be honest removing pieces of our constitution and handing it to them with their form is suicidal and a thing our country will regret for many decades
Climb down off your high horse there and stem the ranting for five minutes.
You’re every bit as bad for insulting and name calling fellow commenters here. At least have a bit of self respect and own up to it.
If you want a respectful debate, then stop acting like a child. It’s pretty simple, no? If you can’t be civil, why would anyone be civil in response?
So now Sasamach and the homeless crisis are reasons to vote against Repeal. More “throw enough muck” nonsense from the anti-women, No mob’s chief of whataboutery.
Bertie game to the end
Lets put it this way
I do not trust this government so I will not trust them to do what is right if we remove one piece more of our constitution
Unless they print exactly what laws are to be introduced I will vote no
If the print abortion on demand I will vote no
If they print FFA I will vote yes
If they print if giving birth to a baby will endanger the mental health of the mother I will vote yes
Simple
Not too hard to follow Bertie is it
Sadly the repeal mob have created a monster that many citizens will on the day say no
Thanks to the citizens assembly this became like gay Byrnes there is one for everyone in the audience
The proposed law has been published. That is what the government intend to replace it with. Now you’ll say that can be amended in the Dáil debates, which is true, but if you accept that then, knowing that the 8th needs to be repealed before legislation can be debated then you have to accept that your demand is impossible and you repeat it purely as a nonsense.
Do you actually read
I clearly state I do not trust this government to do anything right
These things I point out like homelessness brexit smear tests scandals after scandals are REASONS why I do not trust them
Repeal is to repeal a segment of our constitution and my vote is the only thing I can do to try and stop them making another cock up of our future generations who will be paying for all this incompetence years after we are all dead
The existence of the 8th IS the cock-up. Repealing it is one less thing wrong with this country.
Yeah, I read the bit where you said you’d vote No unless they told us what was coming next and responded to show you why that was just empty nonsense from someone who is happy to vote for more women to die.
Nothing has changed your position and nothing will. You will throw every sort of distraction and impossible demand into the conversation to try and confuse the issue in the hopes of dissuading people from seeing what this issue is actually about.
And what’s that? It’s about removing bad law from our constitution. It’s that simple.
Nothing to do with Sasamach, travellers, the EU, the smear test scandal, the nazis, moving statues, Tulsa, the banks, Irish water, the HSE bullying pregnant women, Israel or whatever other garbage you want to throw at it.
I agree with everything said above. So why aren’t we out on the streets in mass protests? Whats stopping us?
Are you tied up
In prison
Like What’s stopping ya
Some people want to protest, but don’t want to protest alongside the likes of Sinn Fein or Ming or pinko lefties etc….
SPLITTERS!!!
Others just don’t care. Ask your friends about current political stories and see how many even know about what is going on.
So it’s basic social fragmentation and lack of any solidarity whatever? Sounds about right.
well Sheik
I’m with you
Shur’ I might as well
I’ve kept worse company
I remember going on a protest against water charges
When I got to merrion square and listened to the Muppets making political gain out of it I just went home
Imthought what a missed opportunity
I said to my pal Michael
This is achieving nothing, but if the people attending would of included people in suits and the professional workers we might just see some change
For the life of me I cannot entertain a party like Sinn feinn who cannot even apologise to the victims of their blood letting
Even though all others did
And for them to sit in our dail is obscene
Sadly for Ireland no option has emerged to lead us
Just the murders of the past Sinn feinn
The cannot pay will not pay people before prophet
The bunch that landed us in the bust fianna fail
And the ones that sold us off the KAPOs whose lust for power was insatiable
Fine Gael the new independents labour
I think we need a Donald trump to drain our rancid swamp
I’d say you do think that all right.
you know nidgel
It’s been a terriffic weekend and the
sun actually shone for
a few hous there
and as I said to my freind fat sally
I’m only roasting
shall we have a drink
and of course she said yars
I’m wondering if anyone will even.bother to read mu incomprehensible nonsense
but if they do I hope
theyvare ENRAGED
so I cam have my opportunity to
pretend to be mortally offended
would you like to konw a secret?
I don’t own any matchig socks
no sir I do not
and if you were to offer me. pair I would likely slap you in the face
with at least one
but most likely both of them
I bid you a good day sir
i want to hear more about fat sally
Funny story. She’s not actually fat. Or called sally for that matter. She is a marvellous dancer and is married to a nice Swedish man called Ville.
Sock it to me.
You are my hero.
Def editing needed.
WEare Irish
When the editor of vanity fair did an article on the bust after visiting us,when Ireland had to get I the IMF and troika
The editor wrote that there was a sort of eerie atmosphere in Ireland
The editor quoted I other countries you would of got riots, but the Irish just soaked it up and became very bitter
I suppose its like the famine
I remember looking at news articles from correspondents of the English media at the time wondering why no riots one actually stated that if the famine would of been in India the Indians would of revolted
But we as a nation soak it up and people are too worried that they might loose their home if they do not play ball as all around them loose theirs
Maybe people need to read these reports at the time and actually you see a very familiar pattern in the Irish psyche
I suppose people just do not know what to do and its as long as I am ok we will weather this
Sadly our country is being raped and the next crash will be devastating as nothing is left
It will be like what the Greeks got
“Our country is being raped.”
You do love your dramatic statements. How is our country being raped?
Ah here david you love using the word rape
Don’t ya
Like so much
You go ’round here making it look like tis other people
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/04/20/priorities-5/#comments
Go straight to the end there
You’re not even a troll account david
Ye’re here to bully pregnant women
And make it look like pro- choicers are the liars
BREAKING NEWS – The Sheik today indicated willingness to take up the office of Benign Dictator – by popular acclaim, of course :-D
bags the job of manning your harem, sheik
Um. Do you realise that being a eunich is mandatory?
“benign dictator”
Not in MY harem – I’m a caring, sharing sort :-D
Where did all the Ireland-haters come from suddenly, @broadsheet?
I know. It’s odd, isn’t it?
On a thread with a newspaper highlighting another Sasamach climbdown we have people lauding Trump and calling for us to be less pro-EU.
#irexit
A Sunday sing song .?.
It started with a kiss
And then I caught syphilis…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-blEwW7RmYs
How do you equate the comments on this thread to anyone hating Ireland?
Seriously? It’s UKIP on tour.
Never forget that it is in Britain’s interests to make the EU look weak and to turn Ireland against the EU. They have no strong bargaining position as long as Ireland is committed to the EU. Hence their desperation, disappointment and disbelief that we won’t just do their bidding like a good little colony.
I don’t hate Ireland, I love it – that’s why I want to make it fairer, more hopeful, more decent and better all around – and I don’t believe the bunch of Tories we have in charge are the people to do that.
+1916
Not Ireland haters
The government haters
For the government has destroyed Ireland future and has stood back as all and sundry have raped us
The next five generations will be paying for the mistakes and incompetence this lot have done
I love my country with passion but hate what these individuals have done
The latest now is the smear tests and the extent this government were prepared to go to ruin this woman who now is dying with cancer
Rape again. How is Ireland being raped?
a figure of speech
Used in the context
You found your insurance doubled
You feel either robbed or raped
Which are bigger chancers, medics or politicians? They make used car salesmen look like Mormons.