92 thoughts on “Mission Accomplished

      1. Ina.

        I do support up to 36 weeks, the Canadian model is the best. But, I think the Irish wouldn’t accept that. But they’d accept 24 weeks.

        1. mildred st. meadowlark

          36 weeks is a hard limit, so to speak, for a lot of Irish voters I’d say.

          I’m not sure how happy I’d be to support that myself. However, I haven’t actually read up on the Canadian model, so this is an uninformed comment, and of course I could feel differently after I’ve read up in it.

          1. TheRealJane

            I personally don’t particularly support any time restrictions, just because I think if someone gets past 12 or so weeks and they want an abortion, chances are, something has gone very wrong.
            If you had a procedure that could be described as an abortion at 36 weeks, that indicates a catastrophic event which must be dealt with as a matter of extreme urgency.

          2. mildred st. meadowlark

            I completely agree. I think I was speaking very much from a personal point of view, which is influenced by my own experiences of childbirth, but I don’t think I could ever happily use that as an excuse to deny a woman an abortion. Because you’re right – no woman would proceed with a pregnancy that far and then decide to terminate for no reason. It would indeed be something like you suggest, and that’s something I wouldn’t wish on any woman.

          3. Ina.

            In Canada the term limits are extremely liberal, but rarely used. It’s mainly used for emergencies. I’d favor that, cos otherwise some silly like Mullen would be hassling you during an emergency with court injunctions.

  1. Dermie

    Coming home to vote is one thing. Banging on about it on Twitter is a different thing altogether…

    1. Diddles

      Hah. It’s like someone I know-any form of good deed i.e volunteering or giving blood is shouted about and accompanied by endless pictures on social media and cringeworthy captions. Fair play and all but quit with the endless self congratulating

      1. Bob

        I took a look at his Twitter profile and it seems like he is a speech writer at the EU commission.

        That’s modern Ireland, some have a longer commute than others.

    2. Jordi

      In fairness, they’re not boasting, they’re asking for support for the emigrant vote

      1. GiggidyGoo

        And the hundreds of thousands of forced emigrants in the past 10 years? Will they return to vote in the next general election to thank FFGLAB for their situation? Or is a return for such a vote not cool enough for them?
        Now that they’ve got the vote fever, they should use it for the General Election.

  2. Bob

    Expanding the franchise sounds like a great idea in principle but Irish citizens in Northern Ireland are the first people we will need to let vote.

    No one is in any hurry to give Sinn Féin that big a boost in influence so they’re going to avoid it as long as they possibly can.

    1. Frilly Keane

      Too late Bob
      The next run of polls
      June I’d say

      May well show the Shinners ahead if the FFers
      And Mary Lou the most popular leader

      Remember
      Everyone btw
      That Marylou leads a whole Island party
      A party that is resurgent
      Vibrant
      And qualified

      Get used to it

      1. Bob

        I think most people already know Sinn Fein are on the rise.

        FF blather on about being the Republican party, they’re clearly paranoid about SF.
        Labour tries for the centre and loses more on the left.

        Do you think they’d have made such a big deal about the 1916 if they weren’t worried about Sinn Féin using it to get attention?

        Sooner or later someone will be forced to go into coalition with Sinn Féin. It is already funny how some poo poo the suggestion of a coalition, at the same time as they urge the parties in the North to make a compromise they wouldn’t make here.

      2. PlumBobSmearPants

        Qualified?! Let’s see them serve in a coalition – with anyone – and see how they get on.

        But still. Far too many uncomfortable and deeply inconvenient truths exist for them to gain the trust of the Irish electorate. Still too many shadowy figures behind the scenes pulling the strings. Perhaps you don’t see that from Cork, but if you lived along the Border you’d know all about it.

        Sinn Fein are the least genuine, manipulative and out and out violent entity in Irish politics. And that’s saying something given what we all know about Irish politics!

        1. Sham Bob

          ‘Let’s see them serve in a coalition’? Do the years of power-sharing in the North not count?

          1. Clampers Outside!

            No, they don’t. Because that is a forced coalition. If they don’t sit down together, everything goes back to London, and how many times has that happened. Lookup!

            it is farcical to make a comparison to a voluntary coalition! Daft even.

      3. Clampers Outside!

        I’ll second that… “qualified”?

        Gerry’s constituency is the poorest in NI.
        NI’s public service is bloated.
        Entrepreneurship in NI is the lowest of all regions in the UK.
        NI is a big depended on govt handouts.

        Suuuuure, they’re “qualified” and demonstrable muppets only good for opposition and flip flopping for band wagon issues.

        1. johnny

          I used drink in a pub in Camden Town (irish one duh) the landlord used bring a dog in at closing time to empty the place, but all it did was bark,but jaysus could it bark, it would annoy you so much you’d finish your pint and leave.
          It’s while back now-Clampers he may be lookin for a new dog:)

          1. johnny

            its literally a non stop stream of nonsense, here ya go just one of your numerous (way too many to attempt counting),meaningless, senseless, illogical,nonsensical ‘comments’ that you sprayed all over broadsheet today.I’d suggest reading a bit more, but that would indicate a level of comprehension that’s sadly lacking…

            “Gerry’s constituency is the poorest in NI”-WTF does this even mean ?
            (pst he was eleted a TD in 2011)

            “NI’s public service is bloated”-huh ?

            “Entrepreneurship in NI is the lowest of all regions in the UK”-link or a context ?

            “NI is a big depended on govt handouts.”-hold on what….

            what a waste time reading it,its complete and utter garbage,awfulf stuff.
            do you have a point, you’ve had ample opportunity to make one ?
            you’ve no game none, nada,zilch,further engagement is hopeless.

          2. Clampers Outside!

            LOL we’re talking NI Johnny. He was an abstentionist MP for ten years from ’83 and again from 97 to 2011 in Belfast West.

            The public service up north employs more per head of pop than any other region of the UK.

            There has been little push on creating jobs, and entrepreneurial job creation is the lowest of all regions in the UK.

            His constituency being the worst performer.

            The region of NI cost more to run than it makes, and relies on govt handouts to keep it afloat.

            Your response is hilarious! You say I don’t engage, yet you seem to think.. “huh?” and “what now” are you ‘engaging’….

            *chuckles*

            Get a grip! :)

        2. PlumBobSmearPants

          Further, their elected representatives up north have never served in a parliament. They get to ‘sharpshoot’ from the sidelines and the fractious nature of ‘things’ up there suit them down to the ground.

          Let’s see how they deal with a Ministry or two. With the behemoth that is Civil Service. They’ll be forced to make decisions that will crucify them in one way shape or form. Just like every other political party before them. Well, perhaps their Stalinist-like approach to party politics may shake things up a bit but I doubt it.

      4. SOQ

        Yes well, if NI had the vote this time around, Repeal would not have passed with such a majority, if at all. Be careful what you wish for.

  3. realPolithicks

    The emigrant vote thing is a tough one. What would the criteria be, should someone like me who’s been gone sine 1987 get a vote? Frankly it doesn’t really make a lot of sense that I would have a say in Irish life.

    1. Sheik Yahbouti

      No it doesn’t, real. You can’t have votes where you don’t have to live with the consequences. In fairness, most emigrants who have made a life for themselves elsewhere have not sought this power.

      1. Brother Barnabas

        very basis of democracy is that everyone affected by a decision has an equal say in the making of that decision

        I’d personally be against giving the vote to anyone not resident in Ireland

        that’s not a popular position, i know

        1. Cian

          Me neither.
          I’d consider it for people away for up to 6 months. But no longer than that.

          1. Cian

            The current way mean you are allowed to vote – if you travel back home.
            I’d extend a postal vote (or something) that allows them to vote from abroad – but have a short-ish time limit on it.

        2. GiggidyGoo

          It’s a sensible position. Especially if someone had to emigrate due to his/her country’s policies and failures.

    2. Bob

      There were some suggestions such as allowing non-residents to vote for the President or elect representatives to the Seanaid, or to have them as another constituency that seemed a reasonable place to start, but I thought allowing people anyone under 35 the chance to run for President was reasonable and we didn’t allow that either.

      1. Clampers Outside!

        On lowering age to under 35s, I’ll be voting ‘no’ if asked again.

        In October’s referenda:
        On blasphemy laws being removed – yes
        Removing ‘womans place in the home’ from constitution – yes
        Directly elected Mayors – I don’t know yet how I’ll vote. I do know, that without details of campaign mechanics like funding limits for those campaigning to run for Mayor…. i’ll vote ‘no’ until I know that kind of info.

        1. Bob

          > On lowering age to under 35s, I’ll be voting ‘no’ if asked again.

          I don’t think running the same referendum over again anytime soon is a good idea.

          > Removing ‘womans place in the home’ from constitution – yes

          I’d favour an amendment that made it gender neutral and to recognise the value to society of stay at home parents.
          Not that I really expect I’ll be given that option, more likely it will be another another straight up or down yes no vote to keep or remove.

          I don’t think we’ve done anywhere enough with parental leave and childcare to properly help parents but that’s a tangent.

        1. Parp

          Thanks for the rundown. Although nobody actually asked, but sure let us know what you’re having for dinner tomorrow too.

      2. Cian

        I’d consider a change to the Seanad. 66 seats.
        Each county in Ireland gets 2 seats = 64 + 2 seats for the ex-pats.
        Have a fixed 4 year term, with half the seats going every 2 years. And nobody can go for TD while they are a sitting senator – they must resign first.

      1. realPolithicks

        I agree Clampers and tbh I think 18 months to 2 years should probably be the max. I think most people believe they are going to return home when they leave but the longer they are gone the less likely that is to happen.

    1. newsjustin

      The best part was when we removed the right to life from those unwanted people. That was gas.

      1. Oldnews

        No the funniest part was when Justin’s panties fell down and everyone could see his little winky and then he got all red in the face and angry and screaming at people to stop laughing. That was gas

    2. rotide

      I love the universal love for the hometovote crowd.

      If they were coming home to vote on something that people disagreed with , there would be daily hate posts.

      1. Nigel

        Isn’t it amazing that you welcome the support of people you agree with and resent the efforts of people you disagree with? What a funny human foible you have discovered!

  4. SOQ

    Apart from NI, Irish Americans would be US citizens therefore not eligible, so I assume that most potential voters would be living in Britain?

    1. Bob

      Britain, Europe, the world … other countries allow citizens to vote from their embassies. I believe we only allow that for military personnel and a few other exceptional cases. (It’s an interesting concept to discuss, I’m not sure how enthusiastic I’d be about it actually happening.)

      In this day and age the diaspora aren’t gone forever, they are people we could potentially encourage to return home.

      There’s lots more we could and probably should be doing:
      https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/in-their-own-words-emigrants-on-the-difficulties-of-returning-to-ireland-1.3418619

  5. George

    The vote didn’t pass because of home to vote. Drop in the ocean. It was a landslide. Don’t expect gratitude.

    Its a media friendly story but the idea that we need the diaspora to save us annoys me. It is part of our national inferiority complex where everyone abroad is seen as better than people who live here.

    1. Nigel

      It was a landslide because of all the people who voted including people who came home. Every vote counts. So be grateful to everyone especially those who traveled long distances. You don’t get landslides without lots and lots of people voting. Almost by definition. You begrudging toothgrinder.

  6. Wait For It

    Speaking of disenfranchised,why is it that if I’m out of the country on the day of an election or referendum,I can’t vote?I’m a citizen,a taxpayer, and a registered voter but, as happened when I attended my brother’s wedding in Poland,an event in place long before the date of the referendum on the thirtieth amendment was announced,I didn’t get a say?Any number of people who are eligible to vote are ineligible simply because they have existing obligations in advance of that date.They’re not foreign residents,they don’t have to come home to vote,they’re just obliged to be away on the specific day.I think that needs addressing too,and despite my approaching as many TDs as I could think of about this issue and having a question asked in the Dail,it’s still the current status quo.I’d like the rights of residents addressed before we turn to the rights of the diaspora (which I’m all for,but fair is fair,I live here and deal with the consequences of the outcome).

    1. missred

      My friend managed to vote before he went away on a travel assignment for work. He got accreditation from his employers and managed to vote at Kilmainham garda station. Getting this information was very difficult to find though, he had to ask several people how to do it.

      1. Parp

        I am away for work since last week, this was only organised a few weeks ago. So I looked up sorting out a Special Vote for before I leave. Apart from all the going to Garda stations and getting things stamped etc., there is also this clause:

        “The latest date for receipt of applications is 22 days (excluding Sundays and public holidays) before polling day for other elections or referenda.”

        So basically if you find out about 4 weeks before an election that you have to travel on business, you can forget about voting.

  7. Cu Cullan

    I am a child of a single mother.. I am in my 50’s .. I have fought every day of my life in this country.. we met on a battlefield, thank you.. the war rages.. we move on.. enjoy the banter.. schools and hospitals next.. I will meet the pope with my back turned and my left arm raised.. next..

    1. SOQ

      Well, it’s definitely a different country the Pope is coming to now for sure, he’d probably feel more welcome up with the DUP.

      Ok maybe not.

  8. Dinny Do Well?

    Wot? No Tweet from Trump to the Love Boats and the Save Me an After Eight crowd and their fellow travellers and sneaking regarder Irish confederates in commiseration yet? Nice big waste of U.S. money by that shower. Good.

    1. Frilly Keane

      But I tell ya wha’ tho’
      I was half expecting a demand to have the Radical Queer crowd expulsed
      Like that Russian lad

  9. Kdoc

    It’s now time to start a conversation about euthanasia. I don’t want to linger in a nursing home wearing incontinence pads, dribbling from my mouth and staring at walls.

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