The filth in the Catholic Church Hierarchy need to be ran from anything to do with Healthcare.. Harris is finished if they do what the Times is suggesting
baz
Ron wants Kermit Gosnell in charge.
Ron
no Baz I just want the filth removed from positions of responsibility that effect every day people in this country. it’s not complicated
newsjustin
“the filth”
Lol. Straight out of 1930s Germany.
Janet, I ate my avatar
how so ?
were the Jews raping and abusing german children ?
nope
Ron
no newsjustin. not Germany and not 1930. I’m talking about the filth in the Catholic Hierarchy in 2018… what’s funny about that?
ReproButina
We’ll be having our hospitals back thanks.
Cian
‘our’ hospitals?
Unfortunately they are owned by the various religious trusts, and with our constitutional rights to property it would be very difficult to get them from the trusts.
There was talk during the Holles St move to St Vincents that any time the government made a capital investment in a hospital that there should be some reciprocal arrangement that the government would get some ‘shares’ in the hospital. Over time as the gov invested more and more it would eventually move to pubic ownership. I wonder if that could work.
ReproButina
How much does the church owe the state in reparations?
Who’s been funding the hospitals for the past 60/70 years?
We’ll be having our hospitals back thanks.
Cian
Um – perhaps a billion or two?
The State – but did they get receipts? And it is only capital funding that would be included.
What are the hospitals worth? tens, if not hundreds of billions.
And if you go down that route – the church would be within its rights to calculate how much they invested too – how 10,000s of nuns x their whole lives….
All I’m saying is that it is not a simple matter of ‘taking’ the hospitals.
ReproButina
The law allows for compulsory purchase. We can buy the hospitals for the amount they owe us if necessary but, since the minister has clarified the situation by dismissing their superstitious guff, it’s irrelevant.
Ting Tong
Re; The Times
Catholic hospitals abortion ban (sic)
About bloody time too I think!!!!!
It seems like AGES since the Catholic Church ran the Government.
Amorphous Kerry Blob
The Times is making reference to a biblical inferno.
Is Broadsheet going to acknowledge climate change a bit more often?
jusayinlike
no, Ban Doyle’s nonsense is enough..
Amorphous Kerry Blob
The most pressing threat to civilisation; sure leave it to Dan feckin’ Boyle.
Nice one JR.
jusayinlike
In your uneducated opinion perhaps Rory..
Amorphous Kerry Blob
I wish you were right. Coz we’re fupped.
jusayinlike
Again, in your uneducated opinion perhaps..
Giggidygoo
A code of ethics – from catholic bishops?
cupofteaanyone
The code of ethics questions the testing for fatal foetal abnormalities and any counselling for parents of babies with FFA if termination is an option. I think they need to reassess their ethical code.
ReproButina
When the British Taoiseach said they were going to make a success of Sasamach I have to admit that stockpiling food wasn’t the first thing that popped to mind.
Janet, I ate my avatar
spam
Andyourpointiswhatexactly?
“Publicly funded Irish hospitals … under Catholic ownership or governance.”
Just remove the first two words and see how they cope. They can eff the eff off.
Cian
okay. So we (somehow) stop paying for the religious-owned hospitals. And then they shut down – they can’t afford to pay the staff/upkeep. Hurrah – problem solved….
What about the other hospitals are state owned. How are they going to cope with the extra million emergency admittances each year? and the 1.5 million out-patient appointments each year? Or are you happy that your suggestion will cull 10,000s of patients?
Andyourpointiswhatexactly?
The other hospitals’ll have more money, won’t they?
I’m not literally advocating this as an answer, dearest. I’m just frustrated because the Church is, as per uje, acting the bollix.
Cian
I think the best we can hope for is ensuring that the maternity hospitals have 0 religious management. If this is through a liability swap (you know the billions you owe us for the abuse? We’ll take these hospitals against that).
But the reality is this will probably need to be done over tens of years – each time the State invests in a hospital, the State is buying a share of the hospital…. and eventually they will be majority State owned and controlled. OR the state stops investing in existing religious-hospitals an starts building its own in competition.
Andyourpointiswhatexactly?
Aye. It’s like the housing crisis. No quick fix.
Cian
Agreed. It will take time.
But that doesn’t mean we should do nothing.
It means we should start the process so that in a few years the problems are lessened.
The filth in the Catholic Church Hierarchy need to be ran from anything to do with Healthcare.. Harris is finished if they do what the Times is suggesting
Ron wants Kermit Gosnell in charge.
no Baz I just want the filth removed from positions of responsibility that effect every day people in this country. it’s not complicated
“the filth”
Lol. Straight out of 1930s Germany.
how so ?
were the Jews raping and abusing german children ?
nope
no newsjustin. not Germany and not 1930. I’m talking about the filth in the Catholic Hierarchy in 2018… what’s funny about that?
We’ll be having our hospitals back thanks.
‘our’ hospitals?
Unfortunately they are owned by the various religious trusts, and with our constitutional rights to property it would be very difficult to get them from the trusts.
There was talk during the Holles St move to St Vincents that any time the government made a capital investment in a hospital that there should be some reciprocal arrangement that the government would get some ‘shares’ in the hospital. Over time as the gov invested more and more it would eventually move to pubic ownership. I wonder if that could work.
How much does the church owe the state in reparations?
Who’s been funding the hospitals for the past 60/70 years?
We’ll be having our hospitals back thanks.
Um – perhaps a billion or two?
The State – but did they get receipts? And it is only capital funding that would be included.
What are the hospitals worth? tens, if not hundreds of billions.
And if you go down that route – the church would be within its rights to calculate how much they invested too – how 10,000s of nuns x their whole lives….
All I’m saying is that it is not a simple matter of ‘taking’ the hospitals.
The law allows for compulsory purchase. We can buy the hospitals for the amount they owe us if necessary but, since the minister has clarified the situation by dismissing their superstitious guff, it’s irrelevant.
Re; The Times
Catholic hospitals abortion ban (sic)
About bloody time too I think!!!!!
It seems like AGES since the Catholic Church ran the Government.
The Times is making reference to a biblical inferno.
Is Broadsheet going to acknowledge climate change a bit more often?
no, Ban Doyle’s nonsense is enough..
The most pressing threat to civilisation; sure leave it to Dan feckin’ Boyle.
Nice one JR.
In your uneducated opinion perhaps Rory..
I wish you were right. Coz we’re fupped.
Again, in your uneducated opinion perhaps..
A code of ethics – from catholic bishops?
The code of ethics questions the testing for fatal foetal abnormalities and any counselling for parents of babies with FFA if termination is an option. I think they need to reassess their ethical code.
When the British Taoiseach said they were going to make a success of Sasamach I have to admit that stockpiling food wasn’t the first thing that popped to mind.
spam
“Publicly funded Irish hospitals … under Catholic ownership or governance.”
Just remove the first two words and see how they cope. They can eff the eff off.
okay. So we (somehow) stop paying for the religious-owned hospitals. And then they shut down – they can’t afford to pay the staff/upkeep. Hurrah – problem solved….
What about the other hospitals are state owned. How are they going to cope with the extra million emergency admittances each year? and the 1.5 million out-patient appointments each year? Or are you happy that your suggestion will cull 10,000s of patients?
The other hospitals’ll have more money, won’t they?
I’m not literally advocating this as an answer, dearest. I’m just frustrated because the Church is, as per uje, acting the bollix.
I think the best we can hope for is ensuring that the maternity hospitals have 0 religious management. If this is through a liability swap (you know the billions you owe us for the abuse? We’ll take these hospitals against that).
But the reality is this will probably need to be done over tens of years – each time the State invests in a hospital, the State is buying a share of the hospital…. and eventually they will be majority State owned and controlled. OR the state stops investing in existing religious-hospitals an starts building its own in competition.
Aye. It’s like the housing crisis. No quick fix.
Agreed. It will take time.
But that doesn’t mean we should do nothing.
It means we should start the process so that in a few years the problems are lessened.