Cheezus
I never thought De’ Examiner would be that stuck
Cian
According to the GINI coefficient Ireland is one of the most unequal countries before social transfers are included. Once included we become mid group.
So yes. Ireland is a Welfare Nation.
millie st murderlark
It says a lot about us as a nation, doesn’t it?
Cian
It depends on how you look at it:
a) That we, as a nation, care and provide good support for those in need?
b) That we, as a nation, have a very unequal and unfair society and are forced to pay off the poor to keep them sweet?
millie st murderlark
Both I daresay. It’s not always a case of either or, unfortunately.
lenny
Cain are you working in Leo’s SCUnit
Or are you related to Goebel
Spud
We is well fair, innit?
Ben Redmond
Ever heard of crows flying over Leitrim & Roscommon airspace? They have to carry their own food supplies until reaching Mullingar.
MaryLou's ArmaLite
We have a welfare class, they are hooked on it. Go ask someone who runs a business about trying to get part time employees to take on more hours, they decline as it affects their welfare.
Nigel
Says more about wages than welfare tbh.
Rob_G
I disagree – this is a classic example of a welfare trap preventing people from furthering their own position in the world.
MaryLou's ArmaLite
Leftist policy gone wrong, they get enough crumbs to sustain themselves, but they can never grow.
Nigel
That’s what stagnant wage rates and zero hour contracts will do for you.
Also our unemployment rate is 5.1% and falling so I don’t know how much of a trap it really is.
MaryLou's ArmaLite
Average wages are increasing at 2.5% per annum over the last 5 years.
george
It’s called a poverty trap not a welfare trap. It does the individual long term harm as they don’t progress in their career because of short term losses. Social Welfare schemes need to be better designed so that they taper off rather than drop away completely at a given threshold.
Rob_G
@ Nigel – you keep mentioning ‘stagnant wage rates’; another poster pointed out on a different thread that this is at odds with reality.
Nigel
I missed that Rob. Be nice to be wrong on that, in fairness.
Nigel
I wonder if wage increases are effectively wiped out by high house prices and rents though. Hard to see how they could possibly keep pace across the board.
Rob_G
@ Nigel – quite probably, yes. But if you increase wages again to compensate, you will end up in an inflationary spiral.
Nigel
Yeah. The Inflation Trap.
petey
me da left clare in about 1941, and west clare too, but he’s dead, so he won’t be knowing mr logan.
” solitary migrant spat ”
Well that made me laugh.
But you’re right – the authorities in the UK have turned a blind eye to predatory Pakistani grooming gangs in the North for far too long.
jusayinlike
” Pakistani grooming gangs..”
with legitimate British passports..
Laugh all you like, when it comes to social problems Britain is by far the worst in western Europe..
Nigel
Haha when far right and alt-right can’t quite mesh their narratives. Hands up who thinks Tommy Whatsisface’s free speech tights were violated?
jusayinlike
The insignificance of the whining libtard left..
MaryLou's ArmaLite
Corbyn really is a tool, he could make all this go away by condemning the actions of the Palestinian terrorists but his hatred of Jews and his myopic view of the situation prevents him.
Ollie Cromwell
It’s why Corbyn consistently polls as a worse choice as Prime Minister than even the dreadful Theresa May.
In fact he sometimes comes third in a two horse race and polls even worse than Don’t Knows.
His one redeeming factor is that he’s helping deliver Brexit – for now.
Rob_G
I am surprised that left-leaning Irish people, who generally oppose Brexit, like Corbyn as much as they do – all through his career until two years’ ago*, he was generally opposed to the EU and everything about it. He isa much more enthusiastic about Brexiteer than May ever was.
*or so he would have the electorate believe
Brother Barnabas
can you be a staunch critic of the EU yet still oppose brexit?
Ollie Cromwell
Like being an enthusiastic European but not a supporter of the EU ?
Rob_G
I suppose you could, but Corbyn hasn’t really opposed Brexit since his bare-minumum effort in the run-up to the referendum.
edalicious
I think Irish people can possibly understand the different nuanced reasons for Corbyn and May supporting Brexit, and see that Corbyn at least has somewhat more noble intentions.
Rob_G
This is true; at least he actually thinks it is a good idea…
Jonner
looks like Spencer is cheating on Vogue
deluded
I heard something about that!
Rob_G
That Corbyn fellow sure can’t keep himself out of trouble.
Brother Barnabas
or others are intent on discrediting him
MaryLou's ArmaLite
Others don’t have to discredit him, he is supremely capable of doing that all by himself.
Rob_G
This is definitely a factor, but he does not do himself many favours. A lot of it is tabloid baiting; other episodes are more difficult to explain away.
Ollie Cromwell
I know.
Denying he was present at the wreath-laying memorial for the Palestinian terrorists who killed and castrated at least one of the Israeli athletes.
Then saying he was there but not involved in it as a picture emerges of him holding the wreath.
Then claiming he mourns the victims of all terrorism – can’t see him visiting Omagh or Eniskillen any time soon.
Corbyn is a lifelong anti-Semite happy to mix with unsavoury characters the world over.His Corbynite stormtroopers are the lowlifes of British politics.
Fortunately he’ll never be Prime Minister.
Brother Barnabas
the finest PM britain never had
a great pity and an even greater loss
Ollie Cromwell
Fortunately we’ll never know.
Until his elevation to the leadership no other Labour leader thought him competent enough to hold even a junior post in government or opposition throughout his entire political career.
I’ve met him a few times – an amiable old Trot but in need of a good tailor.
bisted
…et tu Ollie – and Jeremy speaks so highly of you…
Ollie Cromwell
Don’t get me wrong.He’s a well-intentioned fool.And quite the lad in his youth as Diane Abbott will testify.She was a bit of a looker in her day until the dessert trolley of life came round.
Brother Barnabas
perhaps, perhaps not
irrespective of what you think about corbyn’s competency or politics, he’s at least motivated by a desire to serve britain and do what’s best for the british people – every other high-profile politician in britain today is either a dithering opportunist (eg may) or motivated by ego (eg johnson) or self-interest (eg RM)
Ollie Cromwell
I’m not sure supporting terrorists who were killing innocent people on the streets of Blighty is doing what’s best for the British people.
Nor espousing the economic catastrophe in Venezuala under Chavez/Maduro as the way forward for the UK economy.
Mind you Corbyn’s a puppy compared to his shadow Chancellor John McDonnell who really is a nasty piece of work.
And opportunism,ego and self-interest ? Name me a politician aspiring to lead their country who doesn’t combine all three _ you think Varadkar
is in it just for the kudos ?
Brother Barnabas
believing engagement and dialogue to be the only way to resolve a conflict doesn’t equate to supporting terrorists. it’s pragmatic and sensible.
as for varadkar, i’d agree wholeheartedly. and i’d more than happily have corbyn in place of him.
Brother Barnabas
and “in need of a good tailor”? ever met boris?
and if we’re going on appearances, does RM model himself on adrian mole or is that just a happy coincidence?
Ollie Cromwell
He wears a suit and tie.
Does that make him Adrian Mole ?
You’re struggling this morning old sport.Late night ?
Brother Barnabas
the similarities run deeper than that
(and every night’s a late night. not that i’m bragging)
google images, charger – all the cool kids are talking about it
Ollie Cromwell
Aw,c’mon BB don’t be shy of the spotlight.
You said JRM models himself on Adrian Mole.How exactly ?
Brother Barnabas
not many go to seemingly extreme lengths to portray themselves publicly as a geeky onanist
just curious where RM got his inspiration
perhaps you know something of it?
Daisy Chainsaw
Ollie, you should have spent some time learning from the friars, instead of butchering them. Brother B asked a question “does RM model himself on adrian mole or is that just a happy coincidence?” A question is a question, not a statement.
Ollie Cromwell
Onanist ? He’s got six children you numbskull.
He’s also polite,well-mannered and well-respected across the political spectrum.
Of course he’s wealthy having made a fortune in the risky business of emerging markets and also marrying into landed gentry money.
And he’s in a significant position of influence in the Tory party having been elected leaders of the ERG group of MPs.
Not bad for a nerdy geek.
Bertie Blenkinsop
FWIW I think he’s more like Walter the Softie
george
He is holding a wreath for a ceremony for a massacre at a refugee camp as he has explained. It’s strange that a lot of the newspapers are quoting the second of the paragraphs below but not the first.
From Corbyn’s article about the trip.
“The PLO had relocated after the massacres at Sabra and Shatilla in 1982 when Israeli troops oversaw massacres by Phalangist militias at the huge refugee camps in Lebanon, home to Palestinians driven from their homes in 1948.
After wreaths were laid at the graves of those who died on that day and on the graves of others killed by Mossad agents in Paris in 1991, we moved to the poignant statue in the main avenue of the coastal town of Ben Arous, which was festooned with Palestinian and Tunisian flags.”
Ollie Cromwell
Last Friday Corbyn said he only attended an event for civilian victims of an air-strike.
On Monday he admitted he attended an event for Black September terrorists, but didn’t participate.
Today he admitted he did participate. Regardless of everything else, the man is a serial liar.
Meanwhile his loyal ally and fixer in the House of Commons Chris Williamson said the Black September terrorists who killed 11 Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics and castrated one of them in front on his team-mates said they were ” alleged terrorists ” and ” we don’t know if they were involved in terror ” while comparing Jeremy Corbyn to Nelson Mandela.
All this would be funny if it wasn’t so frightening.
Martco
Ah!
was wondering when the free Franklin Mint coins were going to show up
hopefully the crowd don’t use them as missiles at the big show
bisted
…the zionazis are up early this morning…
Ollie Cromwell
THEN: Project Fear warned a Brexit Leave vote would plunge the UK into an immediate recession with 750,000 job losses.
NOW: Today’s economic news.
Unemployment lowest for more than 43 years falling by 65,000 between April and June 2018.
Number of people in work up by 42,000.
86,000 fewer EU nationals working in the UK.
Fewer immigrants mean better wages and job prospects for indigenous citizens.
Blighty is booming baby !
Brother Barnabas
how come output is down at a time when more people are at work?
The Old Boy
Because lead-swinging is rapidly becoming the national pastime (says the chap on Broadsheet while he is supposed to be working.)
Ollie Cromwell
Uncertainty over Brexit.
A temporary blip rather than the cataclysmic drop promised by Project Fear.
It’s inevitable given the length of negotiations until the final outcome is known.
Industry remains confident with record inward investment and higher than any other EU country thanks in part to the fall in sterling.
Incidentally that fall in sterling and the subsequent boost in exports would easily outweigh the average 3% tariffs that would be imposed in the event of a No Deal WTO-rules Brexit.
Brother Barnabas
oh right…
odd, though, because according to the ONS, it’s due to a significant increase in part-time, temporary and zero contract positions in place of ‘real jobs’
all part of the race to the bottom
possibly also what’s squeezing household incomes in the UK to a degree not seen since the 70s
but you’re probably right when you say brexit will improve the lot of the common man (when the common man is the likes of johnson, farage and rees-mole
Ollie Cromwell
You’re being selective,which is no surprise.
The ONS also said the survey that produced the data should be treated with caution and that as a share of all contracts the proportion of zero hours contracts remained unchanged at 6 per cent.
There are also a great many people like students and mothers who prefer the flexibility of such contracts. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/zero-hours-contracts-number-ons-gig-economy-latest-a8317646.html
Ollie Cromwell
Further info from today’s stats:
There were 780,000 people (not seasonally adjusted) in employment on “zero-hours contracts” in their main job, 104,000 fewer than for a year earlier.
We’re a Welfare Nation
Looks like that Spin Unit haven’t quite gone away
Cheezus
I never thought De’ Examiner would be that stuck
According to the GINI coefficient Ireland is one of the most unequal countries before social transfers are included. Once included we become mid group.
So yes. Ireland is a Welfare Nation.
It says a lot about us as a nation, doesn’t it?
It depends on how you look at it:
a) That we, as a nation, care and provide good support for those in need?
b) That we, as a nation, have a very unequal and unfair society and are forced to pay off the poor to keep them sweet?
Both I daresay. It’s not always a case of either or, unfortunately.
Cain are you working in Leo’s SCUnit
Or are you related to Goebel
We is well fair, innit?
Ever heard of crows flying over Leitrim & Roscommon airspace? They have to carry their own food supplies until reaching Mullingar.
We have a welfare class, they are hooked on it. Go ask someone who runs a business about trying to get part time employees to take on more hours, they decline as it affects their welfare.
Says more about wages than welfare tbh.
I disagree – this is a classic example of a welfare trap preventing people from furthering their own position in the world.
Leftist policy gone wrong, they get enough crumbs to sustain themselves, but they can never grow.
That’s what stagnant wage rates and zero hour contracts will do for you.
Also our unemployment rate is 5.1% and falling so I don’t know how much of a trap it really is.
Average wages are increasing at 2.5% per annum over the last 5 years.
It’s called a poverty trap not a welfare trap. It does the individual long term harm as they don’t progress in their career because of short term losses. Social Welfare schemes need to be better designed so that they taper off rather than drop away completely at a given threshold.
@ Nigel – you keep mentioning ‘stagnant wage rates’; another poster pointed out on a different thread that this is at odds with reality.
I missed that Rob. Be nice to be wrong on that, in fairness.
I wonder if wage increases are effectively wiped out by high house prices and rents though. Hard to see how they could possibly keep pace across the board.
@ Nigel – quite probably, yes. But if you increase wages again to compensate, you will end up in an inflationary spiral.
Yeah. The Inflation Trap.
me da left clare in about 1941, and west clare too, but he’s dead, so he won’t be knowing mr logan.
Turkey.
https://www.eurasiafuture.com/2018/06/11/in-round-one-of-erdogan-versus-soros-erdogan-won/
Sweden.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-13/sweden-burning-migrant-gangs-unleash-coordinated-fire-bomb-rampage-across-multiple
drawing your infomation from alt-right, conspiratorial blogs, charger?
all makes sense now
You’re welcome to disprove any of the facts old bean.
id be happy to do so, except I stopped reading at ‘zerohedge’
Go on – try a little harder.
After all,I read the Guardian every day.Sometimes you’ve gotta know what the enemy is thinking.
Describing the guardian as the enemy is hilarious. Keep up the stellar work Ollie.
It is all over the internet, all you have to do is look
https://www.thelocal.se/20180814/cars-burn-in-spate-of-attacks-across-sweden-gothenburg-stockholm
You’re welcome ma’am.
Vigilance is the key.
Yorkshire.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/09/report-damns-culture-of-acceptance-of-sexual-abuse-at-two-catholic-schools
Yorkshire.
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/12890269.Unmasked__Paedophile_who_worked_in_schools_across_region_as_children_s_counsellor/
Yorkshire.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5260117/Ex-Ripon-deputy-head-jailed-12-years-peadophilia.html
Yorkshire.
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/32-hulls-most-dangerous-paedophiles-877643
Yorkshire.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/crime/south-yorkshire-paedophile-jailed-for-17-years-six-months-1-7324528
Dublin.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/man-stabbed-13-times-after-car-chase-linked-to-prostitution-gang-37213669.html
Yorkshire.
https://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/west-london-news/paedophile-teacher-jailed-abusing-boys-8586840
Yorkshire.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/bradford/7374398.stm
Yorkshire.
https://www.facebook.com/213682078818728/photos/yorkshire-paedophile-phillip-kirk-22-asks-for-paedophilia-to-be-legalisedphillip/399931563527111/
Yorkshire.
http://tapnewswire.com/2014/11/north-yorkshire-savile-country-where-police-protect-paedophiles/
Is there a point you are trying make?
@ Mary Lous Armpit..
Sweden – solitary migrant spat.
Yorkshire – pedo haven.
Charger throws stones but lives in a greenhouse.
you are a nasty little creature
LOL
This from a DUP nut..
DUP? ha
you are a deranged little scumbag
Hates Corbyn, hates sinn fein..
DUP nut..
” solitary migrant spat ”
Well that made me laugh.
But you’re right – the authorities in the UK have turned a blind eye to predatory Pakistani grooming gangs in the North for far too long.
” Pakistani grooming gangs..”
with legitimate British passports..
Laugh all you like, when it comes to social problems Britain is by far the worst in western Europe..
Haha when far right and alt-right can’t quite mesh their narratives. Hands up who thinks Tommy Whatsisface’s free speech tights were violated?
The insignificance of the whining libtard left..
Corbyn really is a tool, he could make all this go away by condemning the actions of the Palestinian terrorists but his hatred of Jews and his myopic view of the situation prevents him.
It’s why Corbyn consistently polls as a worse choice as Prime Minister than even the dreadful Theresa May.
In fact he sometimes comes third in a two horse race and polls even worse than Don’t Knows.
His one redeeming factor is that he’s helping deliver Brexit – for now.
I am surprised that left-leaning Irish people, who generally oppose Brexit, like Corbyn as much as they do – all through his career until two years’ ago*, he was generally opposed to the EU and everything about it. He isa much more enthusiastic about Brexiteer than May ever was.
*or so he would have the electorate believe
can you be a staunch critic of the EU yet still oppose brexit?
Like being an enthusiastic European but not a supporter of the EU ?
I suppose you could, but Corbyn hasn’t really opposed Brexit since his bare-minumum effort in the run-up to the referendum.
I think Irish people can possibly understand the different nuanced reasons for Corbyn and May supporting Brexit, and see that Corbyn at least has somewhat more noble intentions.
This is true; at least he actually thinks it is a good idea…
looks like Spencer is cheating on Vogue
I heard something about that!
That Corbyn fellow sure can’t keep himself out of trouble.
or others are intent on discrediting him
Others don’t have to discredit him, he is supremely capable of doing that all by himself.
This is definitely a factor, but he does not do himself many favours. A lot of it is tabloid baiting; other episodes are more difficult to explain away.
I know.
Denying he was present at the wreath-laying memorial for the Palestinian terrorists who killed and castrated at least one of the Israeli athletes.
Then saying he was there but not involved in it as a picture emerges of him holding the wreath.
Then claiming he mourns the victims of all terrorism – can’t see him visiting Omagh or Eniskillen any time soon.
Corbyn is a lifelong anti-Semite happy to mix with unsavoury characters the world over.His Corbynite stormtroopers are the lowlifes of British politics.
Fortunately he’ll never be Prime Minister.
the finest PM britain never had
a great pity and an even greater loss
Fortunately we’ll never know.
Until his elevation to the leadership no other Labour leader thought him competent enough to hold even a junior post in government or opposition throughout his entire political career.
I’ve met him a few times – an amiable old Trot but in need of a good tailor.
…et tu Ollie – and Jeremy speaks so highly of you…
Don’t get me wrong.He’s a well-intentioned fool.And quite the lad in his youth as Diane Abbott will testify.She was a bit of a looker in her day until the dessert trolley of life came round.
perhaps, perhaps not
irrespective of what you think about corbyn’s competency or politics, he’s at least motivated by a desire to serve britain and do what’s best for the british people – every other high-profile politician in britain today is either a dithering opportunist (eg may) or motivated by ego (eg johnson) or self-interest (eg RM)
I’m not sure supporting terrorists who were killing innocent people on the streets of Blighty is doing what’s best for the British people.
Nor espousing the economic catastrophe in Venezuala under Chavez/Maduro as the way forward for the UK economy.
Mind you Corbyn’s a puppy compared to his shadow Chancellor John McDonnell who really is a nasty piece of work.
And opportunism,ego and self-interest ? Name me a politician aspiring to lead their country who doesn’t combine all three _ you think Varadkar
is in it just for the kudos ?
believing engagement and dialogue to be the only way to resolve a conflict doesn’t equate to supporting terrorists. it’s pragmatic and sensible.
as for varadkar, i’d agree wholeheartedly. and i’d more than happily have corbyn in place of him.
and “in need of a good tailor”? ever met boris?
and if we’re going on appearances, does RM model himself on adrian mole or is that just a happy coincidence?
He wears a suit and tie.
Does that make him Adrian Mole ?
You’re struggling this morning old sport.Late night ?
the similarities run deeper than that
(and every night’s a late night. not that i’m bragging)
Walter from Denis the Menace.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-43642564
Let’s hear about those similarities then BB.
google images, charger – all the cool kids are talking about it
Aw,c’mon BB don’t be shy of the spotlight.
You said JRM models himself on Adrian Mole.How exactly ?
not many go to seemingly extreme lengths to portray themselves publicly as a geeky onanist
just curious where RM got his inspiration
perhaps you know something of it?
Ollie, you should have spent some time learning from the friars, instead of butchering them. Brother B asked a question “does RM model himself on adrian mole or is that just a happy coincidence?” A question is a question, not a statement.
Onanist ? He’s got six children you numbskull.
He’s also polite,well-mannered and well-respected across the political spectrum.
Of course he’s wealthy having made a fortune in the risky business of emerging markets and also marrying into landed gentry money.
And he’s in a significant position of influence in the Tory party having been elected leaders of the ERG group of MPs.
Not bad for a nerdy geek.
FWIW I think he’s more like Walter the Softie
He is holding a wreath for a ceremony for a massacre at a refugee camp as he has explained. It’s strange that a lot of the newspapers are quoting the second of the paragraphs below but not the first.
From Corbyn’s article about the trip.
“The PLO had relocated after the massacres at Sabra and Shatilla in 1982 when Israeli troops oversaw massacres by Phalangist militias at the huge refugee camps in Lebanon, home to Palestinians driven from their homes in 1948.
After wreaths were laid at the graves of those who died on that day and on the graves of others killed by Mossad agents in Paris in 1991, we moved to the poignant statue in the main avenue of the coastal town of Ben Arous, which was festooned with Palestinian and Tunisian flags.”
Last Friday Corbyn said he only attended an event for civilian victims of an air-strike.
On Monday he admitted he attended an event for Black September terrorists, but didn’t participate.
Today he admitted he did participate. Regardless of everything else, the man is a serial liar.
Meanwhile his loyal ally and fixer in the House of Commons Chris Williamson said the Black September terrorists who killed 11 Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics and castrated one of them in front on his team-mates said they were ” alleged terrorists ” and ” we don’t know if they were involved in terror ” while comparing Jeremy Corbyn to Nelson Mandela.
All this would be funny if it wasn’t so frightening.
Ah!
was wondering when the free Franklin Mint coins were going to show up
hopefully the crowd don’t use them as missiles at the big show
…the zionazis are up early this morning…
THEN: Project Fear warned a Brexit Leave vote would plunge the UK into an immediate recession with 750,000 job losses.
NOW: Today’s economic news.
Unemployment lowest for more than 43 years falling by 65,000 between April and June 2018.
Number of people in work up by 42,000.
86,000 fewer EU nationals working in the UK.
Fewer immigrants mean better wages and job prospects for indigenous citizens.
Blighty is booming baby !
how come output is down at a time when more people are at work?
Because lead-swinging is rapidly becoming the national pastime (says the chap on Broadsheet while he is supposed to be working.)
Uncertainty over Brexit.
A temporary blip rather than the cataclysmic drop promised by Project Fear.
It’s inevitable given the length of negotiations until the final outcome is known.
Industry remains confident with record inward investment and higher than any other EU country thanks in part to the fall in sterling.
Incidentally that fall in sterling and the subsequent boost in exports would easily outweigh the average 3% tariffs that would be imposed in the event of a No Deal WTO-rules Brexit.
oh right…
odd, though, because according to the ONS, it’s due to a significant increase in part-time, temporary and zero contract positions in place of ‘real jobs’
all part of the race to the bottom
possibly also what’s squeezing household incomes in the UK to a degree not seen since the 70s
but you’re probably right when you say brexit will improve the lot of the common man (when the common man is the likes of johnson, farage and rees-mole
You’re being selective,which is no surprise.
The ONS also said the survey that produced the data should be treated with caution and that as a share of all contracts the proportion of zero hours contracts remained unchanged at 6 per cent.
There are also a great many people like students and mothers who prefer the flexibility of such contracts.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/zero-hours-contracts-number-ons-gig-economy-latest-a8317646.html
Further info from today’s stats:
There were 780,000 people (not seasonally adjusted) in employment on “zero-hours contracts” in their main job, 104,000 fewer than for a year earlier.
Oh dear,poor BB.
http://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/uklabourmarket/latest
Finally, you can get a job as a fruit picker, now that all the nasty furriners aren’t around to take them.
ahahahaha