45 thoughts on “De Friday Papers

  1. scottser

    Why is the mirror moaning about the cost af a royal wedding? Wait till they have the pope over..

  2. john f

    There is much talk about increasing PRSI contributions to make up for the shortfall in government expenditure. Whilst it may sound a bit Orwellian the government should impose at 3 child limit cap on benefits.
    Living off benefits is a lucrative lifestyle for some. We all know people like that.
    Unfortunately, population growth is exponential in nature. For example, 2 people can have 5 children, who each go on to have 4 children and so on.
    People are mouthing off (rightly) about how broken public services like health and housing are, how does adding people on exponentially work.
    In the UK there is a 2 child limit cap here we can maybe go for 3 children Claiming benefit at the one time.
    Only people that are seen the new avengers movie will get this, Thanos was right.

  3. kellMA

    I tend to agree. SW should not be a lifestyle/career choice. It should be a safety net for those in our society that need it and there should be disincentives to see it as a lifestyle choice or an alternative to work. No, differently than if you go on PHI, the benefit can never be more than 60% of your previous earnings… So yes, there should be a point where whacking out the kids starts to be something the individual has to take responsibility for rather than the state because if you keep “whacking out the kids” then it’s clear what your intentions are with regards to getting back into the workplace….. you have none.

    1. scottser

      Article 41.2 :
      1. In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives
      to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.
      2. The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged
      by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the
      home.

      1. Daisy Chainsaw

        This, a thousand times this!

        We’ve just had a referendum on the right to choose. A woman is entitled to choose how to control her own body and fertility. If she chooses to have several children, that is her choice to make.

        Child benefit should be means tested. Miriam O’Callaghan got the same hand out as Margaret Cash while earning a 6 figure salary. Means testing will give the payment to those who need it, not to the families who put it aside for the second holiday.

      2. Cian

        Article 25.1.i.
        That the citizens (all of whom, men and women equally, have the right to an adequate means of livelihood) may through their occupations find the means of making reasonable provision for their domestic needs.

      3. rotide

        That’s the second time someone has posted that article of the constituition . Before this, I thought the general consensus was that it was on the chopping block because it literally says a womans place is in the home, now its being bandied about a bit more liberally.

        Someone needs to run me through this one.

    1. Cú Chulainn

      And for the (lucrative) US market. I find quite unbelievable that we now have such a tsunami of evidence and yet people still flock. I mean they actually flock. I’m beginning to think there are two different species of human on this planet.

  4. kellMA

    To be fair, I can’t see that anyone flocks to the Catholic church because of the scandal (apart from a hopeful paedo). I’m an atheist. I’m ok with there not being a heaven. I am making the best of the life I have here. I don’t feel the need for a God or a set of rules on how to live my life to make me feel safe and reassure me I’m living my life the right way, and that is great for me. However, lots of people do need that in their lives and that is fine. Whatever gets you through; Life is hard. What do you do if you need the mass and the quotes from the bible and all the dogma that goes with it on one hand but on the other abhor what the institution has facilitated? For some people the community aspect it gives also brings a lot to their life. My mum is a Catholic who is disgusted at much of what the church has done and stands for. She goes to mass every Sunday but she won’t be going to see the pope; she voted “against the church” in every relevant referendum in her life and disagrees with a lot of the backwards ways of the church. A lot of people are in this “bracket”. She would as happily go to a church of Ireland ceremony – sure what the difference really except women are not treated as shoddily there!

    1. Cian

      I know people like this too. I really don’t understand why they don’t go to CoI (or any of the other protestant churches). They like the God & Jesus bit, but not the pope + Rome bit…. it seems like obvious solution.

      And the different protestant churches range from ‘happy-clappy’ to ‘high-church’ – and at the High-Church end you’d think you in a RC (except the singing is better, the ‘our father’ is longer, but the sense of rhythm – clapping – is worse)

      1. edalicious

        As I recall from my choir days, protestants had the better tunes; simple but rousing songs you can belt out.

      2. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

        I went to a Unitarian church in Sydney one Christmas. It was all very Englishy. Trumpets and quavery singing. Terribly nice.

      3. kellMA

        @ Cian, I think some people (older especially) see it as a two-fingers to the Irish republic…. Religion and political history. If I was religious I also would not give two hoots about that but some people do.

          1. kellMA

            They did (Robert Emmet etc.) but I don’t believe Irish Protestants were particularly discriminated against by Irish Catholics? (although let’s see what happens in the north…) The old roots of the intertwining of church and state in Ireland…

  5. Ron

    The working class in this country are getting angrier every day with the political filth in Leinster House and their inability to deal with trhe housing crisis and rental market amongst others.

    That anger is already starting to turn to protest and the numbers are going to grow.

    All it takes is one person ( who isnt political) to start a protest movement that hard working decent folk in this country can get behind. And when they do the filth in Leinster House are done.

    1. edalicious

      It’s strange that there hasn’t been more large scale protesting about the housing crisis like there was against water charges. The housing crisis is having a MUCH bigger impact on people’s daily lives than water charges ever would have but yet there’s very little protesting and very little talk about it, relatively, in politics and media. Is it just because meter installers were a much easier target than faceless vulture funds and land hoarders?

      1. Nigel

        I guess there are no physical processes being performed that can be obstructed. In fact the problem is the lack of physical process, ie building. Occupying vacant sites is more fraught, because everyone jumps on a symbolic act and treats it as policy, and sympathy for the homeless seems to brarely survive actual encounters with the homeless.

        1. Ron

          The protestors will grow in numbers. it’s impacting too many people’s lives. it’s only a matter of time before we see wide spread organised people power to finally remove the filth that have been lording it over the citizens of this country.

          Politicians have done more damage to this country and people then any other group and they need to be dragged out of power kicking and screaming.

          Time for people to reclaim control over this country and how we move forward as a society. Time to close the democratic deficits that the political filth created to ensure their continued power.

          They know it’s only a matter of time now

          1. rotide

            I’ve read this twice and I can’t see any other explanation than you want to see a dictator installed to rule us.

            Any suggestions? Like, do you favor the Hitler model, or a more softly softly Kim Jung Un family dynasty thing? That seems to be going well

          2. Ron

            It’s not my fault you can’t understand things Rotide that other people understand perfectly well. keep reading it. you will get there eventually. just try harder

      2. curmudgeon

        That’s because we’re in work. Organise a protest on a weekday afternoon and wonder why more people don’t turn up…FFS

          1. Cian

            bold /bəʊld/
            adjective
            1. (of a person, action, or idea) showing a willingness to take risks; confident and courageous
            2. [Irish] (especially of a child) naughty; badly behaved.

            which meaning? 1 or 2?

  6. Ollie Cromwell

    I see the Irish are now making tools of themselves in Canada just as they do in Oz – sure,everyone loves the Irish.
    “There’s a real concern amongst people living in Vancouver that it will end up like Australia, where the Irish have a terrible reputation and it became very difficult to secure visas as a result,” said a long-term Irish resident of the city, who did not wish to be named. ”

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/irish-in-vancouver-divided-amid-claims-of-violence-and-rowdiness-1.3598714?mode=amp

    *** the usual suspects now scrabble around to find YouTube video of English soccer hooligans – Nigel is usually first out of the traps following by faithful camp follower Brother Barnabas.Sits back to enjoy ***

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