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  1. Cú Chulainn

    Watching the UK Labour Party Conference yesterday. It’s like the grown ups have left the room. GB is looking into the abyss. This is the reality of Thatcher’s legacy – there is no such thing as society – it’s a remarkable thing to see unfold.

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    1. SOQ

      There is something quite corrupt about a leadership whom armed with the full knowledge that the vast majority of their membership are in favour of remain seek to deny them the right to express their view.

      It doesn’t even matter if it goes no further, this abuse of power will come back and bite them hard if they do not allow their membership have their say.

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        1. SOQ

          No I am not, the Labour MEMBERSHIP is over overwhelmingly in favour of remain, even more so these days given the mess it has turned out to be.

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          1. Ollie Cromwell

            The membersip don’t elect a Labour government.The millions of non-member Labour voters elect Labour governments.
            And millions of those people voted for Leave.
            Corbyn and McDonell know this which is why they don’t back a second referendum as well as being anti-EU all of their political lives.
            Tony Blair won three elections ignoring the membership of his party.

          2. SOQ

            Not to this extent he didn’t. And he was actually winning elections which left him in a much stronger position. Corbyn is after no 10 but if he blocks this he’ll never see it.

          3. DeKloot

            Ollie, you know you’re completely wrong. You do know that, right?! I mean, even though you embody Poe’s law with almost everything you post, it’s clear you’re not stupid. This morning’s patronising and pedantic postings prove positively your perceived posit as phony (some Tuesday alliteration for you).

          4. Ollie Cromwell

            Completely wrong about what ?
            Your post is the equivalent of a spoilt child stamping their feet because they don’t agree with something.
            Spit it out man.

      1. Cú Chulainn

        I’m referring to the state of Britain. Not Labour exclusively. The entire country. Society, the whole post war ideal is dead. Britain is collapsing in front of our eyes.

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        1. Ollie Cromwell

          You’re going to have to try a bit harder than that old cock.
          Exactly which way is Britain collapsing before your eyes ?
          More people have a job now than at any time in the last half century,the economy is doing fine,more foreign companies invested in the UK last year than in any other in the EU,it’s just had a near record year for tourism thanks to the Royal Wedding – and a great summer at the World Cup for England.
          Brexit is in a spot of bother because the country is divided over it but in a few years time we’ll be wondering what all the fuss was about.
          It’s 30 years since Thatcher was in office,Labour were in power for nearly half the time since then and there was the Financial Crash.
          None of that has stopped many thousands of Irish people moving there for a better life than their own country could offer.
          Blighty is tickety-boo so don’t you worry your ginger head over it.

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          1. f_lawless

            forgot to mention the several billions made from selling the means of death and destruction to rogue nations around the world – and weaponry showcased in real military operations (Yemen, Syria, etc).. vital of course, in today’s market. All in all, a bumper year for the British arms trade ;)

    2. Ollie Cromwell

      Sky News poll this morning shows only one person in five think Jeremy Corbyn and Labour are competent to negotiate Brexit.
      Damning.

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  2. ReproButina

    When I mentioned the UK flights situation post Sasamach I was told I was talking through my hoop.

    Well I guess the British government are talking through their’s now.

    “If the UK leaves the EU in March 2019 with no agreement in place, UK and EU licensed airlines would lose the automatic right to operate air services between the UK and the EU without seeking advance permission. This would mean that airlines operating between the UK and the EU would need to seek individual permissions to operate. EU-licensed airlines would lose the ability to operate wholly within the UK (for example from Heathrow to Edinburgh) and UK-licensed airlines would lose the ability to operate intra-EU air services (for example from Milan to Paris).”

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/flights-to-and-from-the-uk-if-theres-no-brexit-deal/flights-to-and-from-the-uk-if-theres-no-brexit-deal

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      1. giggidygoo

        I wish I didn’t have to log in each time. on IOS or Android, to make a comment. The ‘remember me’ option is gone. and now I have three options.
        ‘Notify me of followup comments via e-mail’
        ‘Notify me of follow-up comments by email’
        ‘Notify me of new posts by email’

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        1. Lobster

          Seriously. 16/51 comments by just one troll. Fecking ruins the site, I guess in one way it drives up page hits, but on the other I know I spend less time browsing the site now, even the journal is less troll infested FFS.

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          1. Ollie Cromwell

            You call 16 posts discussing the most important political decision facing Ireland in years trolling ?
            What would you like to talk about ? Fluffy bunnies,cute kittens,your bowel movements ?

    1. Ollie Cromwell

      You still are talking through your hoop.If you think European governments will be willing to ban its aircraft from flying through UK airspace you’re an even more gullible plonker than you appear to be now.
      Michael O’Leary,who knows a lot more about the aviation business than you,expects little or no disruption and has launched a big expansion of routes out of Stansted in the weeks after Brexit.

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    2. ReproButina

      Michael O’Leary, who knows a lot more about the aviation industry than I do, is planning to stiff customers in the event of a no deal Sasamach.

      “Irish budget airline Ryanair will put a “[Sasamach] clause” into ticket sales for summer 2019, warning customers that their tickets will not be valid if the issue of aviation regulation after Britain’s departure from the EU remains unresolved.”

      https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-ryanair/ryanair-to-put-brexit-clause-into-ticket-sales-for-summer-2019-idUSKBN1FK1ZC

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          1. Ollie Cromwell

            Hi BB Mini-Me.
            Not come up with any of your own material yet I see.
            How is his bottom smelling this morning ?

      1. Ollie Cromwell

        Well it is respecting the Good Friday Agreement.
        It takes two to tango.
        I’m rather enjoying May/Raab playing hardball at last.

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          1. Ollie Cromwell

            I certainly hope so.
            As I said to you yesterday nothing would gladden the heart of most English people to let the Irish fester among themselves.
            Mind you Ireland struggles to run 26 counties without plunging the country into economic ruin every decade or so – adding another six without the £10billion a year NI gets from Blighty would be a delight to watch.
            Unfortunately you and I both know it’s not going to happen.
            Go on.Admit it.

          2. scottser

            Oh it’ll happen alright. When the tories crash the uk out of europe and your ecomy tanks we’ll be beating our northern cousins away from the border with a shitty stick. 10bn? Piece of cake old man – we know just where to send the bill. We have mates with large pockets you know..

    3. giggidygoo

      Wasn’t your earlier point that they couldn’t fly through the airspace due to the certifications (safety as far as I remember)not being recognized anymore?. That’s a fair bit different from what you / the british are saying above.

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      1. ReproButina

        Safety certs are part of the issue. The British government post goes on to say “airlines from outside the EU require a safety authorisation from the EASA, known as “Part-TCO”. EASA has yet to provide the details for how and when it would process applications from UK airlines in advance of the UK leaving the EU.”

        My point was that a no deal Sasamach meant UK airlines couldn’t fly over EU airspace. This is a simple fact. A deal will be required to avoid this and having a deal to avoid it is, obviously, the complete opposite of a no deal Sasamach which some idiots posting on this site have been cheerleading in the past.

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  3. Ollie Cromwell

    In the event of no deal the EU/UK could knock easily knock out a temporary arrangement to keep planes flying – without one the Civil Aviation Authority could easily prevent European airlines crossing the Atlantic.
    The idea that planes won’t fly after March next year is ludicrous nonsense that only one eejit on here really believes.

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    1. Cian

      no deal = no deal
      no deal = no agreement on flying
      agreement on flying ≠ no deal

      If there is an agreement on flying, then it is not a “no deal” brexit.

      Multiply this across all the areas where UK need to have “temporary arrangements” mean that a “No Deal” is not going to happen.

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      1. Hansel

        Cian it’s about time we all acknowledged that “no deal” means “deals on all the things we need and no deals on anything we don’t particularly like”.

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      2. Ollie Cromwell

        Of course there will be a deal.
        This is why all this nonsense about ” crashing out “is,well,nonsense.
        The UK’s Civil Aviation Authority controls 700,000 square miles of airspace over the North Atlantic – imagine Macron,currently with worse approval ratings than Donald Trump at home,telling European airlines and their passengers they can’t use it.

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        1. Nigel

          Of course there’ll be deals! Ad hoc, last-minute, rushed, restrictive, boilerplate deals all over the place! Where all those easy, wide-ranging, beneficial, advantageous deals negotiated by the cunning and sensible Brexit team against the useless and hapless EU team went to, we’re not sure, but what a victory!

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          1. Ollie Cromwell

            You’ve changed from saying Brexit will never happen.
            I knew you’d come round eventually.
            Welcome to the fold old bean.

          2. Nigel

            Hahaha I’ve always been pessimistic about the chances of Brexit being diverted. You’re so convinced you’re smarter than everyone else in this ‘echo chamber’ you think we’ve all got the same opinion.

          3. Ollie Cromwell

            No-one could be foolish enough to have the same views as you old sport.
            In one way you’re like me – promulgating unpopular views to a largely unconvinced audience.
            Fortunately it’s the only way.

          4. Nigel

            Heckuva job, Ollie, though when you find yourself doing variations on the villain cliche ‘in some ways you and I are very alike, old friend’ speech, it’s probably time to revisit that Mitchell and Webb ‘are we the bad guys’ sketch.

    2. Owen C

      Airspace rights are fairly easy to figure out. Landing rights are a different issue. Its a cross border services issue – consumer protections, plane licencing, maintenance tracking etc, and much more complicated than simple airspace management. In fact, absent a transition period or overnight mutual recognition, its reasonably difficult to see how landing rights and cross border flight selling can be fixed in the short period of time available.

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      1. ReproButina

        Liam Fox said the Sasamach agreement should be “the easiest deal in human history”.

        Two years into the negotiations, with no actual progress, we get “the EU/UK could knock easily knock out a temporary arrangement”.

        The Sasamachs, as cluelessly optimistic as ever.

        No doubt the Sun will have a headline tomorrow calling the British government Airheads and EU Toadies for admitting the truth that Leo spoke.

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  4. Cian

    What the fupp are FG doing?

    NIMBY politics really, really annoys me. There is a housing crisis and there are politicians (of all parties and none) that are opposing planning permissions. It’s absolutely crazy. And then the same politicians are giving out about the lack of housing. W. T. actual F. ?

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    1. SOQ

      Do you even know that site? I do and it’s not fit for half of proposed development. Because there is a housing crisis does not excuse bad planning. The locals have every right to object and if I lived in that area, I would too.

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  5. Ollie Cromwell

    Meanwhile in Sweden the Prime Minister has just been ousted by the country’s parliament in a mandatory confidence vote.
    The emerging far-right Swedish Democrats MPs are vital to any government being formed but all other parties refuse to work with them.
    Political stalemate cause by mass,unchecked immigration turning this once-liberal country into a hotbed of no-go immigrant crime areas and a massive rise in violent crime.
    Historians looking back at the eventual collapse of the EU will point to unchecked migration from countries with radically different social and moral codes as being the catalyst.

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    1. Brother Barnabas

      Historians looking back at the eventual dissolution of the UK will point to the stupidity of Brexit and all the unforeseen, non-imagined and non-thought-out consequences as being the catalyst.

      …what you really meant to say

      back to breakfast for you now, tubbzer

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      1. Ollie Cromwell

        Late night spouting gibberish from your barstool in Hannigan&Sons again Quentin ?
        Another lonely expat wishing he was back home but vicariously spending hours every day on an Irish forum instead.
        Sad.

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      1. Ollie Cromwell

        You follow BB’s posts so quickly and so often and so repetitively it’s almost as though you’re best friends.
        You’ve become the Dumb and Dumber of Broadsheet.

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    2. bisted

      …democracy really is a bitch…if only there’d been a vote to remain and crooked Hillary had been elected how much better the world might have been…

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  6. johnny

    Digital DeathWatch Update-extended deadline.

    …has been extended to 11:59 p.m., New York City time, on October 19, 2018. The withdrawal deadline with respect to each Exchange Offer is extended to 11:59 p.m., New York City time, on October 19, 2018…

    Digi has announced another extension (Ext 2) of the deadline for current bondholders to swap them,IT reporting that 60% rejected the offer.

    https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/digicel-group-limited-extends-early-tender-date-for-exchange-offers-and-consent-solicitations-818712391.html

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      1. Brother Barnabas

        having received the complete email correspondence between rotide and bodger, i can confirm their discussion is limited to football (mainly arsenal/ spurs banter), women and best tapas restaurants in longford

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        1. bisted

          …sadly, LeWine o’Clock tapas bar in Longford has closed…but I will bow to your superior knowledge of women and gratuitous soccer ‘banter’…

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