Presidential candidate Peter Casey
Peter Casey: “I don’t believe travellers should be given special status. I mean why should they be given special status over and above yourself or myself. You know?”
Kevin Doyle: “They are seen as a minority ethnicity.”
Peter Casey: “That’s a load of nonsense. You know. They’re not Romaning, Romanie, whatever, they’re not from Romany area.
They’re basically people that are camping on somebody else’s land. Imagine the poor farmer whose land that they camped on, you know, and who’d buy the land from him?
The neighbours in the houses all around, do you think they’re going, ‘this is great for my property value because I’ve now got three dozen caravans down the road’, you know. It’s just wrong, you know.
Somebody needs to sit up and say this is nonsense. And here we are are giving them luxurious houses and they’re turning them down because they want stables but they know that nobody else will move into the house, you see.
Can you imagine the brave person that would go, in Dublin that would go ‘I’d love a lovely four-bedroom house with solar panels and beautifully kitted-out kitchens’?’
Do you think they’d move in past all the travellers that are sitting out there waiting, watching them…not going to happen. They’re afraid of them.”
Presidential hopeful Peter Casey, speaking to Kevin Doyle of the Irish Independent on the paper’s podcast, ‘The Floating Voter’.
Good times
Previously: ‘What Are You Talking About?’
Meanwhile…
Casey's comments aren't just offensive, they're historically illiterate. Traveller culture embodies Irish heritage more than settled culture—as any Presidential candidate should know. He should also know he's repeating verbatim English insults about Irish:https://t.co/y6ELRl7kdw
— Frankie Gaffney (@FrankieGaffney) October 17, 2018
‘Even a stopped clock…’, etc.
Romaning charges.
Appallingly ignorant, dangerous and socially inept comments.
This could swing it for him…not. The irony is that in amongst the appalling ignorance and misjudged lack of correct definition etc. (that is not good enough to waffle incomprehensibly as a potential president – hello Trump) there are some valid points. But no, just no.
Romany is not a physical area, it’s an ethnicity. jaysus. What a dolt.
Preening in his ignorance, what an utter bottomhole
Ah I see Peter has decided to go full Trump on us.
100%
MIGCA
Make Ireland Great Craic Again
Shur let me tidy up first around the place before they do.
grab em by the craic?
God yes.
38 years in amerikay can do that to you…or so I hear.
Headcasey
haha
A lot of people would agree with him. This may double his popularity.
There cant be that many bigots out there ….
Double it to 4% although even in the 2% he has, there will be people who are offended by what he said so I suspect the net gain will be limited.
He’s within the margin of error of being on 0%, so I think we’ll be fine.
thing is: he’ll likely pick up a good few votes after that. and he knows it.
Must do, otherwise why bring it up? It isn’t a burning issue to anyone who isn’t a Traveller except to people who can’t stand them Travellers getting notions.
And people who love horses.
Is that not illegal?
I don’t agree with the manner in which he made his point – but he is dead right. We live in a republic – there should be no ‘special status’ conferred on anyone on the basis of their birth, other than ‘citizen’.
And the example of Travellers turning down large homes because they were not provided with stables for their horses is not hyperbole – it happened in Tipperary in the past two weeks.
Exactly. Can’t have them thinking they’re ‘special.’
So one example proves a general point? Casey is an idiot, so does that mean all Irish people are?
He’s got my vote for that. At last a political hopeful that actually has the balls to say what the vast majority think but wont say.
Not a word of a lie spoken. Vote Casey.
It might not have been articulate but it was spot on.
+1
Great now a load of fellow ignorant persons are going to vote for this utter dimwit
See above
nothing ignorant about it. Travellers history with Animal, sorry their “traditional” cultural attitude to horse’s especially is one of the reason I dislike them. You show your own ignorant mentally by just assuming people dislike them for no reason.
Pity you don’t care more about the Irish cultural attitude to Travellers, I’m sure there are lots of reasons for historically treating them worse than Travellers are supposed to treat their horses, but they’re only people, after all, not horses.
So by your logic if I was say to leave a dog dying in the street after working it to death or running it in front of a car or dog fighting and people disliked me for it. Assuming its not a one off, which with travellers its not, people should just say ” its grand, because its only a dog and we shouldn’t people for doing that because people are more important than dogs”‘. I really hope you have no animals or children.
I’m assuming your playing stupid. Because you don’t normally seem that stupid. You, like evey other person in this country knows why travellers are thought of how they are. I could name the reasons but for some strange reason BS seem to censor/take down posts with the real reasons given for disliking travellers.
No. I’ve called the Guards and the ISPCA a few times at poor treatment of horses by people who could have been travellers, could have been settled, hard to be sure. You don’t decide a whole sub-group of people are inherently bad or worthless because of it, and you don’t justify a century of hostile government policy that has targeted that group of people and pretend that the current state of and treatment of travellers has nothing to do with it.
Personally responsibility, they cant scream and shout about how their treated by “settled” people but refuse to look at the reasons. We all know the reasons, stop pretending you don’t.
‘Personal responsibility’ isn’t a magic spell you can chant to make problems go away, though it does help dig a nice head-sized hole in the sand.
Well idiots also need representation I suppose , nice that they now have a standard bearer
Looks thick as, sounds thick as, is thick as.
Imagine having to listen to that dose for seven years.
david?
Casey is correct. Them being given superior status by an idiotic government is beyond belief.
what superior status have travellers been given?
High Kings of Ireland
I think that, if you were not a Traveller, and you asked the county council to build a housing development for you and all of your extended family, who would probably told to take a running junmp for yourself.
id say you’re well aware, rob, that this doesn’t generally happen for travellers either
if you’re referring to the six houses in cabragh bridge, it’s worth noting that this traveller family has been on the waiting list for 54 years (yes, 54 years). hardly special treatment.
When people on this site suggest that the state should build social housing, this illustrates one reason why it maybe shouldn’t (and this is nothing to do with the fact that they example concerns Travellers):
– why on earth did the members of this family not spend any of the intervening 54 years accessing the various education and social supports, and get jobs to earn money to buy their own houses? Sitting around for 54 years, demanding the state provides you with bespoke housing, and then turning up your nose at it because it doesn’t have space for horses, is absolutely ridiculous – entitlement culture at its very worst.
you’ve switched from whether travellers get preferential treatment to whether the state should be providing social housing
Conferring travellers the status of ‘ethnic minority’ is infantilising them and does more to keep them where they are. It’s wrong headed and counter productive.
I think I have already demonstrated the preferential treatment with the ‘housing estate for extended family’ point.
Why would anyone work to improve their situation if they have a state-subsidised ‘forever home’ – social housing should be provided on a 3- or 5-year lease and reassessed then, otherwise you will generate a culture of dependence (as has been demonstrated in the case of Mme. Cash, as well as countless others).
The special status of being treated like a bunch of lying, cheating, disease-carrying animals by successive Irish governments. But now we hate them because some of them treat their own animals badly and they have the cheek to ask for stuff from the same government. Such a special status that their suicide rates are catastrophic.
You’ve left the other reasons. Destruction of the area they decide they now own until actually forced out, oh and with no comeback for the owner or surrounding people when the just leave their destruction behind, numerous criminal activity. I could go on.
These are social problems that need to be addressed but it’s funny how treating a group of people like pariahs doesn’t make them like you back or in any way come close to solving those problems.
Given it courtesy of FG Enda Kenny. A fact not lost on what used to be grassroots FG farmers.
How many travelers vote?
I think it’s fair to say he’ll stay hopeful
hopelessly hopeful
I listened to the rest of that interview and now my ears are bleeding. Wojus stuff.
+1
the bit about the travellers was the least stupid of it all
Yes! All that crap about buying houses and castles and not telling his wife – ffs. And then that nonsense about his kids driving and the ensuing lawsuits. He’s making an absolute spectacle of himself. And also, the inappropriate maniacal laughter throughout
yeah – the joke about how bad a driver one of his kids is and the time he knocked someone down was a proper what-the-fupp moment
The Irish are among the most racist people in Europe.
Is anyone really surprised ?
my dear what happened to you that you are such a black hole of need for attention?
Just to be clear Ollie.
We don’t dislike you because you’re English.
We dislike you because you’re a poxbottle.
Hope this helps.
Ahahahahahahahahahaha
” Irish-born people have become less welcoming than our European neighbours and urges a more inclusive and tolerant society. ”
Ireland 2018.
http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/warning-signs-on-racism-1.3448199
Well Ollie irish born could be people from an immigrant family, I’ve no problem with that by the way, so the traditional Irish hospitality of course gets diluted as more and more (for use of a better word) non traditional irish families are here that don’t have the same values as us.
Riiiiight.
Increasing racism in Ireland is the fault of ….immigrants ?
Got it now.
have we had today’s brexitwatch yet, big guy? can we add this:
#Britain will face £36 billion Brexit bill if it fails to agree a trade deal with EU, Chancellor warns MPs#
“Britain will still have to pay the EU up to £36 billion if it fails to agree a trade deal, Philip Hammond has claimed, as Brussels said no deal is now “more likely than ever”.
The Chancellor told Cabinet ministers the UK would be unlikely to win any legal battle to withhold large chunks of the Brexit bill, despite previous Government promises that the payment was conditional on a deal.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/16/britain-will-face-36-billion-bill-fails-agree-trade-deal-eu/
That headline you put up said “less welcoming” not racist. You said racist, I was talking about being welcoming.
Other cabinet ministers have put the figure much lower at around £17billion – these are existing obligations which Blighty has always said would be paid.
Hammond’s doom-mongering and Project Fear 2:0 have made him a figure of much ridicule so I’d take what he says with a pinch of salt.
Anyway,good to see you’re a Telegraph reader.Perhaps you saw the piece this week by Simon Wolfson,CEO of fashion chain NEXT which shifts around £4billion stock around the globe.
He says ” The no-deal ‘economic Armageddon’ is a myth – big businesses like mine will be just fine. ”
Marvellous.
i read the telegraph when i’m hungover and/or exhausted
you know yourself
Have a sonce at the FT as well.
Even the rabidly anti-Brexit pink ‘un is beginning to question the EU’s competence in the negotiations.
I smell fudge in the air this week.
http://www.ft.com/content/0df6434e-d12c-11e8-a9f2-7574db66bcd5
Have you ever thought of going home early from O’Sheas instead of boring all the other expats with your Wolfe Tone songs ?
Sweating buckets in your nylon GAA shirt and the only person in the bar wearing a ginger wig over his real ginger hair.
You should get out more. Maybe look closer to home for this – Brexit was backed in part for the border policies.
Ollie says Ireland is racist.
Ollie who, for the past week, has been referring to everyone on this island as “Paddy”.
The children are right to laugh at you.
I’m merely using a popular term for an Irishman.
I took my lead from a Taoiseach.
Taxi for CoderNerd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue33PxM9Ae0
“…for an Irishman”
so i hear you’re a sexist, now, charger?
Not me guv.
I reckon women are smarter than men by a country mile.
Smart and attractive with just the occasional excessive amount of make-up is how I view Irish fillies.
From your Moms basement window?
Its not his comments, a lot of people think exactly what he said is true, it was more the contempt with which he said it. Modern Traveller culture is victim culture and they’ve no intention of adjusting that narrative other wise they’d have to take responsibility for their actions. No gravy in that. The most marginalised within the the Traveller community itself are just like any other marginalised people in society. That they’re marginalised and Travelers is irrelevant. Playing on that is very cynical indeed. Not allowed say that out loud. Do gooders box all negative comments as discrimination.
Who cares what a lot of people think? A lot of people thought slavery was okay.
There’s always a reason for everything and the ‘victim culture’ as you call it, may be there because of past and present prejudices. People don’t develop a victim mentality for no good reason. When victims are allowed heal, collectively in this instance, then their dignity may be restored.
And what do you mean by ‘not allowed to say that out loud’? You have said it out loud and people do say it all the time, which is the point of this article.
You’ve assumed all (Travellers) are one. They’re not. There are marginalised Travellers just like there are settled marginalised people. Both are marginalised. The difference between both cultures now is that the Traveller community continue the victim narrative irrespective of their current standing or wealth within a community. To shake the victim status would be a tremendous hit to their often over looked immunity to their frequent transgressions. They regularly discredit true Traveller culture with their flagrant use of the term “ethnic status” which they abuse ad nauseam. Racing horses to death is not culture, its criminal and so on and so on. If a settled person does this its not culture, its just that they’re c%^&s
Continuing the ‘victim narrative’ is inconvenient because it is true that they have been victims of atrocious and hostile government policies. Why should they be obliged to give that up just because you don;t like it? It’s true, regardless of how well-off individual Travellers might be. There’s no denying that Traveller life is full of dysfunction, criminality and anti-social behaviours affecting them and people who have bad experiences and encounters with them. That’s not a reason to despise Travellers, that’s just describing the problem. This special ethnic status that inspires so much resentment is poor enough consolation for being the one group of people in this country it’s okay to treat badly.
What ‘hostile government policies’ are you referring to?
You really should look up how successive Irish governments have treated Travellers since the foundation of the state.
Irish Times opinion poll:
MDH – 66%
SG – 12%
LNR – 11%
JF – 5%
GD – 4%
PC – 2%
Poll taken Wednesday, Thursday & Friday of last week so the impact of the Claire Byrne debate and PC’s embarrassing interview won’t be included.
If this is reflected in the election, MDH would be elected on the first round, and none of the others would get money towards their expenses.
Travelers are an anachronism , their way of life is long gone and it should be up to the tax payer to fund them pretending to keep it up.
They can assimilate into mainstream culture and still keep their traditions alive , look at any of immigrant communities and how they do this . Africa day is a great advert for this, all our new African-Irish citizens keeping traditions alive while in this country and working, contributing to their communities and educating their children.
Travelers can be and ethic minority but should not be allowed separate themselves from society to keep a long gone way of life falsely alive.
We’ve almost stamped out the Traveller way of life, and since the results have been so obviously awesome and beneficial, let’s just keep stamping!
Celtic ways of life died out, Druid ways of life, Normans ways of life died out, Vikings way of life died on. Need I go on. Sone day in the distant future the irish way of life will die out. Such is life.
Some ways of life were destroyed through violent action. Some ways of life peacefully became absorbed into the dominant culture such that it might look as though they died out. Guess which approach to Traveller culture Irish society took? You can take the long view historically about all of those things. Being amoral about something that has happened and continues to happen within your lifetime and by your government is another thing entirely.
No you’re right. The modern day Traveller was created by past governments and their problems have being exacerbated by our current political classes. On that I don’t disagree. That there are clearly disenfranchised people within that community I do not disagree. It is the fact that the said culture being proclaimed today as “theirs” isn’t remotely representative of the supposedly lost culture of old. True it might well be lost through no fault of their own and it’s death expedited by the government of the state back in time. That’s irrelevant now though. Time moves on. Keep your culture, your heritage,your beliefs alive. Nobody objects to that.
You see pretty much everyone wants that irrespective of their background. The simple facts are many people of marginalised, ethically different backgrounds have arrived in this country over the last few decades and soared past the Traveller community, not because they were shown preferential treatment (often they were as discriminated against if not more discriminated against) but because they the took the opportunities available to them on this island and took responsibility for their own progression, culture or no culture. If we blame the state for those left behind do we hold them up high as bastions of opportunity for those other marginalised people who made it! Cant have it both ways. Anyway.
Based on my personal experience with travelers, at school, working in various shops, in a couple of sports clubs, living near them I can tell you, in my opinion they have nothing but disdain and contempt for my way of life as a settled person. They don’t respect private property, shared public spaces, rules of the road. They think us settled people are a joke. This is unfortunately just my own personal experience, my property and the property of my employers brazenly stolen, threats of violence, my boxing club trashed and members cars thrashed, GAA club facilities thrashed, fighting outside the school among adults, had the local pub thrashed, my neighborhood green areas thrashed, witnessed animal cruelty, kids driving around in old wrecked cars. Still I actually have nothing against them, I’ve never said boo to one, I’ve got to know a few over the years, sound lads but they still would think we’re suckers. I can tell you though I don’t believe they deserve any special treatment as an ethnic minority.
Worlds Biggest Ranter destroyed Nigel’s white-knight argument there….good job!