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  1. Marta Murtagh

    Am I misreading that Kerry Manslaughter story there, or did your man get let off with murder because he only killed your man because he was annoying him?

    1. gerry

      More than annoying him, he was operating a device which produces an extremely loud bang (worse than a shotgun) every few minutes 300m from the man’s house. Sounds like he was a horrible person. He also previously shot an man in the head through a hedge for straying onto his land and

      1. Marta Murtagh

        I just don’t see how being an objectionable victim of homicide makes your killing a manslaughter rather than a murder.

        The coverage focusing on how unpleasant the victim was is very odd and definitely distasteful.

        That the paper can lay out how much planning the perpetrator carried out but don’t explain how a murder verdict wasn’t reached is bemusing.

  2. Martco

    well well.
    we can all relax now…seems #Khashoggi got chopped up by Bricktop outa Snatch (which is grand ‘cos we can all just carry on & continue to sell our beef as usual) phew.
    thank god there was a perfectly good explanation.

    1. giggidygoo

      ’spiked: What are the economic opportunities of Brexit?’
      ‘Elliott: The big opportunity is just to do things differently. Big economic shocks give you the space and the ability to say, hang on, the status quo is no longer a valid option, we want to do something different. That’s the overarching thing’

      And then Elliot offers no concrete examples of doing things differently. His idea of different is exiting a trade agreement with the EU to go into another trade agreement on WTO terms. Wow. That’s different? Exit the EU where the UK have had input and a say in the trading situation between member states, to go by the WTO agreements where they will have little clout? Elliot and his pals will have to do some overarching in that scenario.

      1. Mickey Twopints

        Elliot is a journalist, offering an opinion. It’s just an opinion. Others are available.

        1. ReproButina

          His entire opinion is “sure, it’ll be grand” along with some nonsense about nationalising industry and focusing the economy on areas that voted to leave.

          That said, it’s about as detailed and thought out as any pro-Sasamach piece.

    1. Brother Barnabas

      Is that where he spells out an Armageddon, asks if it’s possible and concludes “A crazy question, of course”?

      you’re not the brightest toryboy, are you?!

    2. MaryLou's ArmaLite

      Outside of the echo chamber that is the Irish Times, people stopped listening to Fintan a long time ago.

      1. Ollie Cromwell

        Fortunately most of his stuff is behind a paywall so there’s less chance of anyone reading it.
        I’ve lost track of the number of times he claims Brexit is the fault of Little Englanders when a majority of Welsh and huge numbers of Scots and SNP supporters as well as Ulster folk voted in favour of Leave.
        He and is ilk on the IT’s sister paper the awful Guardian make for painful sour grapes reading but I put myself through it because I like to read who the other side thinks.
        And then I have a good laugh.

      1. Ollie Cromwell

        Remoaners playbook.

        Bad economic news = the fault of Brexit.
        Good economic news = Brexit hasn’t happened yet.

        1. scottser

          Pity you wont be able to import raw materials to make stuff though.
          but we LOVE your ‘optimism’
          pip pip

  3. Ollie Cromwell

    And British defence giant BAE wins another massive contract from the Canadian government.

    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/type-26-frigate-wins-canadian-frigate-competition

    This comes on the back of news that BAE Systems has won a multi-billion pound contract from the Australian government to build nine new warships, marking a significant victory for British military exports.
    BAE beat Italian and Spanish rivals to win a large slice of the £19.6bn ($25.7bn; A$35bn) spending programme.
    The ships will be based on anti-submarine frigates that BAE is building for the UK’s Royal Navy.

    Yup,foreign companies really are reluctant to invest in Blighty because of Brexit ….

    * smirks *

      1. ReproButina

        Well every time the No Deal option looks likely Sterling drops so buying from Britain is a good plan. I know several people who have bought cars in the UK and brought them back to Ireland, taking advantage of the weak pound.

          1. Ollie Cromwell

            Blighty sells warships to the world.
            The Irish navy can’t put any of their handful of boats to sea because they can’t recruit enough sailors on the pittance they pay them
            That’s the difference between fire and sail.

          2. Nigel

            Can’t go too far down that line of argument lest a link be made between the UK arms trade and the terrifying wave of refugees we’re about to be swamped with.

          3. Ollie Cromwell

            Ireland plays its part with Shannon Airport.Probably the last sight of the free world for many GITMO detainees.
            Everyone has their snout in the trough.

          4. Nigel

            I wouldn’t take for granted any underlying assumption that there’s something wrong with this on Ollie’s part

    1. Ollie Cromwell

      Yup,it’s good to whip the usual knuckle-draggers into a frenzy over my first cup of java of the day.
      And then I get to watch thousands more middle-class losers who can’t accept the referendum vote on a pointless march through London.
      What a day in prospect.

      1. Vanessa off the Telly

        Now Ol
        you’re the last lad that should be swinging the expression knuckle draggers around

        In any context

          1. Ollie Cromwell

            Ah Vanessa off the Telly,go on,go on,go on.
            You strike me as one of the more sensible adults on here surrounded by mewling goons.
            Lets have a heated debate.

          2. Vanessa off the Telly

            Please
            Oll
            Rolling around with you isn’t why I’ve just gotten waxed

            Enjoy your weekend

      2. Cú Chulainn

        Of course, that Java is going up in price. The great British pound is weakening. Great for sales but not great for purchasing power. The UK economy has a c.40% trade deficit, mostly made up by financial services, which of course are charged for in the local currency. Even with a fair wind the wealth of the UK will shrink by c.15% in the next 5-7 years. Brutal. That’s when the vultures move in to privatise the NHS and anything left. And the fools who brought the great Brexit lie. Well, they’ll still be ranting away in their own echo chamber. Enjoy that Java old bean..

        1. Ollie Cromwell

          The economic experts could’t even get their predictions right for six months after the referendum vote – they haven’t got a clue what is going to happen 5-7 years from now.
          Try not to be so weak and gullible,old sport,though obviously you live in a country which has form for being told what to do.
          And jumping to it.

    2. rotide

      well spotted Dav.

      The first 3 comments were actually about interesting stories in the papers, Ollie couldn’t be having that

        1. Catherine costelloe

          Duty free on cigarettes , spirits & wine will be a bonus as well .Up to 60% savings & affect the black market .

      1. Ollie Cromwell

        June 23, 2016

        That’s when the took to the street in their millions.

        What a day.

        What a result.

        Meanwhile,when does Varadkar wake up to the knowledge that Ireland will become the grass trampled underfoot as two elephants fight.

  4. Boj

    my view on brexit is that this is simply the remainers fault. they sat back during the campaign. how hard would it have been to do some research at the time to put all of this Armageddon detail out there? they didn’t. I watched a slot on Bbc news last night and during the campaign, key words like ‘irish border’ were mentioned across various platforms only 1%(it was a lovely info graphic). total and utter failure on remainers part and now the squealing for another ref. silly times and the dopes on both sides just need to deal with their mistakes not scream ‘another referendum!!’ (or the opposite). Just get on with it. I believe the Brits will prevail in the long run.

    1. gerry

      Not true, the issues were complex and boring and people weren’t listening. Instead Leave campaigners were grabbing people’s attention by lying about increased spending on the NHS and Remain were forced to respond to that.

      1. Ollie Cromwell

        Both sides lied.
        Leave just happened to keep there’s simple.
        Remain overplayed their hand with Project Fear.
        Obama’s ” back of the queue ” was the moment the referendum was swung.

      2. Boj

        ah come off it…”Boring and complex”most political discussions are just that…Remainers failed and chickens have come home to roost, hence the street squeals now. At the beginning a lot of people took for granted a remain result. They(remainers) did not do their job, and they still aren’t. Grow up and move on is what I say!!

        1. Nigel

          Feck that. If Brexiteers weren’t making a complete hames of Brexit Remainers wouldn’t have a leg to stand on so Leavers will just have to suck it up.

          1. Boj

            If the result went the other way, no doubt brexiteers would on the streets…most likely getting laughed and sneered at by those who are on the street today…just sayin

  5. Clampers Outside!

    Ollie: Ollie! Ollie! Ollie!
    Broadsheeters: Oi! Oi! Oi!

    Ollie: Ollie!
    Broadsheeters: Oi!

    Ollie: Ollie!
    Broadsheeters: Oi!

    Ollie: Ollie! Ollie! Ollie!
    Broadsheeters: Oi! Oi! Oi!

    Rinse and repeat.

    1. SOQ

      Predictable doesn’t even begin to descibe it.

      Anyways, reports so far are that today’s rally is going to reach well beyond the 100K. Bloody democrats eh?

      1. ReproButina

        What do they hope to gain? Aside from irritating the Sasamachs do they think they’ll get a 2nd referendum or is it for a vote on the deal? If it’s the latter then the option should be accept the deal or stay in the EU.

        1. SOQ

          What does any rally hope to gain? It is their democratic right to protest if they wish to. It will be interesting to see what the age demographic is, I expect it will be leaning heavily towards younger.

          1. ReproButina

            I wasn’t being cynical. I was curious as to their aims. I can fully understand the frustration of those who wish to remain. The great British public couldn’t be trusted to vote on a name for a boat so the idea that their economy and future should be derailed by a campaign of lies would of course drive people to protest.

          2. SOQ

            The objective is quite simple, to force a second vote and give the people a say in their future. The visibility of so many on the streets will in itself have an impact because up until this point, there has been no mobilisation by the half who disagree with it.

            Personally, I would love to see similar happen in Belfast and all over GB because this is only those who could travel.

          3. Ollie Cromwell

            A day out in London for the Sandalistas.
            17.4 million people don’t feel the need to parade as sad losers who refuse to accept democracy.
            There’s not a cat in hell’s chance of a second referendum.

      2. Ollie Cromwell

        Still a long way short of 17.4 million who voted Leave in the biggest democratic mandate in British history.
        Now THAT’S democracy in action.
        Today will merely go down as the biggest losing whinge in history by a bunch of white middle-class entitlers – I pity the poor road-sweepers who’ll have to clean up all the Waitrose Halloumi and Rocket sandwich wrappers after them.

  6. Rich Uncle Skeleton

    From the Irish Times story on the strength of drugs:

    “The simple message and the most credible message in 2018 is that the drugs are not like what they used to be”

    Agreed, so why do the draconian drug laws remain the same?

    1. Cian

      The rest of the article suggests that drugs are stronger than they used to be. And there are more varieties.

      Which suggests that changes to the law should be even more draconian :-)

      1. Rich Uncle Skeleton

        Or they could be decriminalised and regulated and people would know what they are taking. People won’t stop taking drugs, making even more prohibitive laws will make it even harder for people to know what’s in the drgs,

        1. ReproButina

          The war on drugs is a total farce. Decriminalise some and legalise others. Cannabis will be legalised, it’s just a matter of time. Needle exchange centres are a necessity for public safety. Turning a blind eye and pretending the gardaí and courts are dealing (no pun intended) with the problem is a complete waste of time, ours and theirs.

          1. Ollie Cromwell

            We agree on something anyway.
            They’ve been wasting valuable resources for decades trying to get rid of drugs and today it’s a ‘phone call away.
            Get rid of the crime,improve the quality and spend the money of proper drug programmes and support for addicts.
            By the way half the world’s medical weed is grown in a single facility in the UK .
            Another great British export.

  7. Ollie Cromwell

    Meanwhile,as a bunch of Prosecco and pashmina protestors gather in London some interesting developments in Westminster.
    ERG guiding light Steve Baker MP has tabled so devious amendments to the Northern Ireland Bill which could effectively tie Theresa the Appeasers hand in negotiations.
    They would make it impossible for the NI backstop to be introduced without approval of the Northern Ireland Assembly.
    It’s getting tasty now.

    https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2017-2019/0275/amend/NIEFEoF_rm_cwh_1019.pdf

  8. Peter Dempsey

    If there’s provocation or if the deceased initiates the conflict, then a murder verdict is never appropriate.
    In some circumstances, no jail time should be served by the accused.

    In Waterford, two scumbags with plenty of previous convictions twice attacked a Brazilian guy and subjected him to racist abuse. He went home, got a knife and went back looking for them. He stabbed both and one died. He got eight years which was wholly incorrect. The correct course of action would have been a suspended sentence while the surviving scumbag should have been sent to prison for assault.

  9. Ollie Cromwell

    Well I’m watching the build-up to the march and trying to find any black or ethnic minority protestors is hard.
    Where are all these people who’ve been victimised since the referendum or who face losing their jobs as the Remoaners claim will happen ?
    All I can see is white,middle-class people who are worried about losing their cheap nannies,gardeners and cleaners.
    And no sign of Corbyn either.
    It’s not like Jezza to turn down the opportunity of addressing a crowd of his supporters.
    Instead there’s Sadiq Khan who knows full well more people in London voted to Leave than for him.

    1. millie st murderlark

      Ollie, you should maybe sit a couple of plays out, old chap.

      You’re saying nothing you haven’t said at least a hundred times before. Find some fresh material.

      1. Leon Down

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          1. Leon Down

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          2. millie st murderlark

            Nice to see you’re keeping well. Been taking long walks, eating well, getting to bed early. Good for you.

          3. millie st murderlark

            It’s cute that you’re expending so much effort on your replies to my comments.

            Doesn’t hide your regression though.

        1. rotide

          That’s throwing up multiple compile errors.

          Any chance we can get someone with more than a passing knowledge of Sinclair Basic to code it?

    1. millie st murderlark

      Really don’t think you need any more starch, darling.

      Unless… you’re compensating for something. Unfortunate, that.

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