105 thoughts on “De Wednesday Papers

    1. ReproBertie

      Yesterday was “give us a better deal or we tank our economy” but that ultimatum failed so they switch to offering their bill as a bribe. Utterly clueless.

  1. Ivan Blominosoff

    Re Brexit;

    The ‘People’s Vote’ campaign/party/whatever is just another branch of the Tories’ non-manifesto.
    They will get things moving, as soon as it goes their way. Promise.

    This is what happens when you underfund education for decades.
    Idiots rise to the top and nobody cares.

    I hope it never happens here… oh wait…

  2. Clampers Outside !

    BBC Newsnight: Senior Tories are frustrated by how much power Ireland has had in the Brexit negotiations, especially over the backstop, says our political editor Nick Watt.

    “The Irish really should know their place,” one said
    https://bbc.in/2RLstJK

    I think the Tories will be asking that regular Broadsheet question… “Was it for this?” :)

    1. dav

      It matches the attitude olli/charger takes to this board – can’t stand our pointing out how a bigoted /racist brexit will wreck his country..

      1. Ollie Cromwell

        That’s because it’s not bigoted or racist.
        It’s a democratic decision to change the trading policy of the UK.
        It may well cause economic problems for Ireland but these will be self-inflicted.
        Ireland chose to obstruct negotiations with the insistence on a backstop to prevent a hard border which both the head of Ireland and the UK’s revenue services have said is totally unnecessary.
        Immediately after the referendum Varadkar barred Irish civil servants from any discussions with their UK counterparts over technical solutions to the border issue which was deliberately politicised by the EU as part of their negotiating tactics.
        Instead of working with its biggest and most important trading partner and ,incidentally, Ireland’s most powerful supporter within the EU to produce a workable solution,Ireland chose to make life as difficult as possible.
        Let’s see how many of your new EU bezzies will be prepared to dip their hands in their pockets to help out poor old Paddy when the ordure hits the fan.
        You make your own bed,you have to lie in it.
        That’s what 1916 was all about mateys.

        1. Brother Barnabas

          “…to change the trading policy of the UK”

          hop up out of those semen-encusted sheets before your mother comes in, clear the head and think that one again

          1. Ollie Cromwell

            Mam and semen-encrusted sheets ?
            Your childhood in single sentence.Exactly how many uncles did you have ?

          2. Martco

            you’re a three for a fiver version of Alan Partridge @Charger

            you have to try a bit harder matey, suggest you stop regurgitating the bile from the DM comments section we can read that stuff on our own if we want. you bore me with it, anyway.

          1. Ollie Cromwell

            You’re welcome to them old cock.
            Have you got 10 billion quid a year down the back of your sofa ?

          2. scottser

            You just worry about yourself old fruit, what paddy does in his own back yard will be no concern of yours soon enough.
            Heheheh

        2. Formerly known as @ireland.com

          ” Ireland’s most powerful supporter within the EU” – You are sasamaching, so a lot of good that is going to be.

          There is a little treaty called the Good Friday Agreement. It has to be complied with. So, no hard border. The harder the brexit, the more the Englander nationalism and racism grows, the sooner we will have no border of any kind. Thanks, Boris and Nigel.

    2. Eoin

      After 18 months of the 300 Tories bending over backwards for the 10 DUP MPs in Westminster, it’s a bit rich for a Tory – grandee or not-so-grandee – to grimace at the power of Ireland in the world’s most powerful trading bloc.

    1. ReproBertie

      You mean the backstop that May is touring the EU begging for some wiggle room on to try and save her career?

      1. GiggidyGoo

        But sure isn’t it a backstop- hailed by Varadkar and Co. Bulletproof, legal and all that. Sure what’s to discuss (unless of course it isn’t and therefore doesn’t exist).

  3. Eoin

    Leo meets Theresa today.

    Other than studying her demeanor and appreciating her resilience (and perhaps storing that memory for the future when things mightn’t be so swell for Leo), there’s no value for Leo in the meeting at all. Theresa is a lame-duck prime minister, who may survive the no-confidence vote later but with 30%+ of her parliamentary party against her and no hope of uniting her party, let alone her parliament, she’s just not a credible negotiating partner. So, a day for Leo to soak up some personal lessons, but no more.

    1. ReproBertie

      May seems to have learned a lot from Leo and his predecessors about kicking the can down the road. Sadly for her, triggering Article 50 means she’s kicking it down a cul de sac.

    2. Brother Barnabas

      ireland and Britain remain close friends – and that relationship will be all the more important once britain leaves the EU. it’s entirely right for varadkar to meet her and for Ireland to do whatever we can to assist Britain – so long as it’s not contrary to our own fundamental interests

      wouldn’t agree that May is “lame duck”. the problem isn’t May, her policies or her leadership – it’s the clusterphuck of a mess that Britain has put itself in. changing PM won’t change that.

    3. Spaghetti Hoop

      May cancelled.
      I had a manager once that had big ideas at an off-site and set up meetings, webinars and training sessions with the view to improvements and transparency within her department. She was all ‘this is what we’re gonna do’. Then, as the weeks passed she gradually cancelled the appointments and reduced the length and scope of the training. What started as a wonderful tide of change dropped to a mere ripple on a pond. Everyone lost respect in her and she lost her job.

      The End.

          1. Ollie Cromwell

            She cancelled because as well as PMQs this lunchtime she has a meeting with the 1922 committee of MPs at 5pm and then a confidence vote between 6-8pm.
            Kind of a busy schedule in which to fit in a flight to Dublin and back wouldn’t you agree ?

          2. Spaghetti Hoop

            Precisely. Indicates a ditherer and one more concerned with saving her career than acting on behalf of her electorate. I know bad leadership when I see it. Whatever about the complexities of striking an exit deal, the British people deserve commitment and unwaivering navigation from their PM. A key management skill is execution of the objective.

      1. Ollie Cromwell

        I see Europe is a sea of stability today.

        —Leader facing no confidence vote, UK
        —Gov. facing no confidence vote, France
        —Gov. facing no confidence vote, Poland
        —Gov. could fall at any minute, Belgium
        —Parliament in disarray, Hungary
        —Fighting potentially ramping up, Ukraine

        1. Nigel

          Brave Sir Ollie ran away
          Bravely ran away away
          When things got tricky on the continent
          Sir Ollie ran like liquid incontinent.

  4. Eoin

    70% state-owned AIB is lining up €3.4 billion of loans to be sold to vultures at the start of 2019. The security on these loans includes residential property.

      1. Eoin

        A fair question Cian especially as some appear to be throwing the term around much like they did with “witch!” in that episode of Blackadder.

        A “vulture” would be a non-traditional lender who has no long term lending or banking interest with the borrower whose loans they acquire. A “vulture” is typically looking for an exit in 3-5 years. A “vulture” has an ambition to generate a return (typically, IRR of 15%+) far in excess of the ambitions of a traditional lender (IRR of perhaps 3%). A “vulture” employs practices which are oftentimes unsavory, ruthless, dispassionate and unconcerned with any reputation or place within a community or society.

        1. Cian

          Thanks. Would you consider Allianz a ‘vulture’?
          Or ‘PIMCO’ (wholly owned by Allianz) a ‘vulture’?

        2. Cian

          The Irish market is dysfunctional.
          There are 21,000 buy-to-let mortgages in arrears. We are at peak rental prices – there is no way a landlord could be losing money – and there are 21,000 landlords not paying their mortgages. These are either:
          a) empty properties
          b) have paying tenants – but the landlord is keeping (stealing) the money

          This is crazy. There is no reason that these 21,000 houses shouldn’t be repossessed. And if the banks won’t do it – let them sell the mortgages, and let someone else do it.

          1. Brother Barnabas

            “have paying tenants – but the landlord is keeping (stealing) the money”

            there’s no legal or other inter-connection between a property owner’s entitlement to receive rent and his obligation to make repayments on the mortgage

          2. Cian

            In 2010, when rents were low and there were many empty tenancies, a landlord may not have paid the mortgage because they simply didn’t have the money.

            Today, rents are high, vacancies are low, but there are 21,000 landlords getting rent but not paying the banks. They have the money, but are choosing not to pay the banks. In my book that is stealing.

            I don’t know about the legal aspects (I suspect ‘stealing’ isn’t a legal term) but it is worse now than in 2010 when the landlords simply didn’t have the money.

          3. Brother Barnabas

            stealing from whom?

            they’re not stealing from the tenants because the tenants are getting precisely what they’re paying for

            they’re not stealing from the banks because ultimately the banks will get paid – whether later with added interest or through repossession (and we’re talking about BtL properties so repossession isn’t that onerous)

            as an aside, the main reason by far that5 landlord give when it eventually reaches court for not paying the mortgage is that their tenants aren’t paying the rent – i’d bet a good whack of the 21,000 non-performing BtL loans are i this situation. and that’s also why many of these aren’t repossessed – because lenders know they’ll have even less chance getting court sanction to enforce the eviction notice.

          4. Cian

            @BB
            I don’t believe that. The RTB deal with non-payment of rent and they had ‘only’ 1500 Rent arrears (+ Rent arrears and overholding) disputes in 2017.

          5. johnny

            You don’t have a clue Bro-just making stuff up-have you never heard of a Rent Receiver from your barstool ?

            If BTL landlords are receiving rent and not paying the lender, its pretty simple-the lender appoints a rent receiver as is the case in…

            “During the second quarter of 2018, rent receivers were appointed to 802 BTL accounts, bringing the stock of accounts with rent receivers appointed to 5,915; this is down from 5,935 accounts in the previous quarter”-link below.

            WTF you trying say here-what’s a ‘aside’ is that like an anecdote,there’s reams data available-or is it based on a hunch-FFS.

            “as an aside, the main reason by far that5 landlord give when it eventually reaches court for not paying the mortgage is that their tenants aren’t paying the rent – i’d bet a good whack of the 21,000 non-performing BtL loans are i this situation. and that’s also why many of these aren’t repossessed – because lenders know they’ll have even less chance getting court sanction to enforce the eviction notice.”

            Not sure with all the grammatically errors, typos and jumbled words/phrases what exactly you are trying say,is it regarding repossessions and BLT’s-but have another go, try some punctuation and smaller words stoopid.

            Facts huh-who needs them on a barstool with a bunch oul fellas.

            “There were 1,766 BTL properties in the banks’ possession at the beginning of Q2 2018. A total of 98 properties were taken into possession by lenders during the quarter. Of the total BTL repossessions in the quarter, 25 were repossessed on foot of a Court Order, while the remaining 73 were voluntarily surrendered or abandoned.”

            I’m only warming up here Bro-I make it simple for you,stay in your lane I stay in mine,got it-duh!

            https://www.centralbank.ie/docs/default-source/statistics/data-and-analysis/credit-and-banking-statistics/mortgage-arrears/2018q2_ie_mortgage_arrears_statistics.pdf?sfvrsn=6

          6. Brother Barnabas

            “Not sure with all the grammatically errors, typos and jumbled words/phrases what exactly you are trying say,is it regarding repossessions and BLT’s-but have another go, try some punctuation and smaller words stoopid.”

            amazing

            what’s a “grammatically errors”?

            and what’s a “BLT”? it’s a sandwich, right?

            johnny, you’re a fool

          7. johnny

            C’mon Bro-engage on BTL’s you appear to be such an expert ,LOL-always playing the man or normally a woman that you prey on with feeble attempts at overly sexualized humor,when it’s simply harassment ,don’t forget the ball that you played so well.

            Any more insights into the BTL non rent paying situation,or repos-you had your chance, now buckle up Bro,its going get bumpy around here for you.

            Thanks for your insights on BTL’s and ‘asides’-haha!

          8. johnny

            So far your response upon been exposed as a spoofer and so stoopip, is to call ME a fool and dull, lets discuss your half baked theory that landlords are keeping the rent and not paying lenders-any data/stats to back up that ludicrous claim-Paddy in the pub is hardly a credible source now Bro!

            Anything to back up your ‘aside’s’ that landlords in court are claiming non payment by tenants,its a major contribution factor in arrears and repo’s right-did you overhear that while ordering another pint ?

            Told you last time stay out the crosshairs or I will bring it Bro !

          9. Brother Barnabas

            comes full circle (again) to your comprehension problems, johnny

            I never said landlords were collecting rent and not paying mortgages

            you show again and again that you simple don’t understand things you read – rotide has pointed this out repeatedly, yet you continue to humiliate yourself.

            a self-flagellating simpleton with notions

  5. Eoin

    Interesting twist in the INM saga – the knives are out for the good guy, the whistleblower and former CEO Robert Pitt. Saint Robert’s protected disclosures to the corporate watchdog brought inspectors into INM in the first place. Now, an IT consultant (who is close to former chairman, Leslie Buckley) is saying Saint Robert himself was behind hacking journalists’ records.

    Shane Phelan at the Independent (one of INM’s main newspapers) reports

    “According to an IT consultant, Mr Doorly’s predecessor as chief executive, Robert Pitt, ordered a search of hard drives and emails of up to six editors after details of a memo from his personal assistant was published in ‘The Phoenix’ magazine.

    Mr Pitt has declined to comment on the data interrogation claims, outlined in a letter sent by IT consultant Derek Mizak to the Data Protection Commissioner (DPC).

    Mr Mizak claims he was asked by Mr Pitt to conduct the exercise in June 2015.

    He has alleged it was conducted at night, with hard drives reportedly being removed and data copied, before the hard drives were returned.

    This was allegedly done without the knowledge of the staff members involved.

    “It is an allegation at the moment. I hate to think that a CEO would have done this,” Mr Doorly said.”

    1. Eoin

      Oh no! The second “malcontent” (as Denis O’Brien called him and Robert Pitt in a text message to Leslie Buckley in 2015), INM’s chief finance officer, Ryan Preston, is reportedly on the way out.

      http://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/inm-finance-chief-ryan-preston-in-talks-on-future-role-1.3728686

      In 2015, Denis O’Brien said in that same text message “ultimately we have to get them out and pay them”

      https://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/leslie-this-storm-will-pass-denis-the-inm-controversy-1.3460850

  6. Listrade

    I just need to take issue with a couple of statements.

    1. It’s a democratic decision to change the trading policy of the UK
    So true, I mean all those discussions and campaigns that were just about trade. I guess the Vote Leave site (still there) that only mentions trade once is irrelevant. All that talk about immigration, Turkey, NHS, more immigrants, EU Laws, sovereignty, few more immigrants for good measure, on there is code for trade (that they only mention once).

    2. Ireland chose to obstruct negotiations with the insistence on a backstop.
    Nah. Not even remotely. I understand that in order to exist in a world of trolling you need to be liberal with the truth and recollection of the truth, but this is on a level of a shaken etcha-sketch memory reversal. The date was 19 June 2017, around 19:00. David Davis’s first day on the job. His big moment. Britain has all the cards (according to him). Fast forward and:
    “Britain has abandoned attempts to force the EU to start talks on a future trade deal immediately, and instead the UK’s “exit bill”, and other issues, will come first”
    They even agreed to it in writing: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/eu-uk-art-50-terms-reference_agreed_amends_en.pdf

    Ireland didn’t do anything. Ireland wasn’t even there at this stage, David Davis completely backed down and said that Britain would discuss trade until the divorce was settled. Damned Irish, walking into a meeting thinking they own the place before capitulating within hours and giving in on every single point. The Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys have new competition.

    Pretty everything you then go on to say is wrong. Britain agreed to no trade discussion. Why the focus on the border? Ignoring the obvious sensitivities, it may be because of this statement:

    “As the Northern Ireland Secretary has made clear, the common travel area that has existed since the creation of an independent Irish state will not be affected. There will be no change to the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic.” A joint statement by Michael Gove, Boris Johnson, Priti Patel, and Gisela Stuart.

    So again, it was a promise of the campaign and after. No Change. That’s a pretty specific statement. That’s not, “workable solution” that’s 100% as it is. Add to that the capitulation by Davis and that there can be NO DISCUSSIONS ON TRADE until the divorce has been agreed, you might need to refocus your blatant disregard of reality to the focal point of incompetence and general poohousery that is the people you are trying to defend.

    1. Ollie Cromwell

      The UK wishes to have control of its country.
      Ireland is prepared to be a supplicant of a German-dominated EU.
      That’s the essential difference.

      1. Brother Barnabas

        The UK wishes to have control of its country. Ireland is more than happy for the UK to do whatever it chooses, yet politely insists that it honour a prior agreement. The UK gets its knickers in a twist about that.

      2. Listrade

        *England and Wales wishes to have control of their own country.

        The essential difference is that you keep making things up to avoid the reality of what is happening. You could have responded to the points and countered them, but you just spew out anything that you feel might help you save face.

        1. Ollie Cromwell

          17.4 million voters,a clear majority,voted to take back control of the UK’s borders,trade and money.
          Unlike Ireland,who fell at the first hurdle – actually the threw themselves at the feet of the EU rather than fall – it won’t be reversed.

          1. Formerly known as @ireland.com

            A clear majority of Ireland voted for Sinn Fein in 1918. Yet, your democracy loving government came up with a great idea of partitioning the country. How is that working out for everyone?

  7. Martco

    Charger peers out from under his rock
    Sadly realising we don’t buy his old cock
    What ticks at his core?
    Ze Germans von de vawr
    And his empire is dying, tick-tock :(

    1. Ollie Cromwell

      Actually historians generally agree that the British Empire ended in 1997 with the transfer of Hong Kong to China leaving fourteen overseas territories remaining under British sovereignty.
      The level of ignorance about history on this site is a testament to the dreadful state of Irish secondary education and goes a long way to understanding why Irish universities continue to plummet down the world index at an alarming rate.

      1. ReproBertie

        I’ll see your “dreadful state of Irish secondary education” and raise you a British Minister not knowing that Britain is an island.

        1. Ollie Cromwell

          I’ll see your British Minister and raise you with the Healey-Raes.
          Ireland’s very own Kennedy dynasty.

          1. Brother Barnabas

            what ministership do the healey-raes hold?

            ah, ok… you’re not having a great morning, are you

          2. ReproBertie

            If you want to use the car to describe the current situation then Leo’s in the driving seat, May’s in the back and the backstop is the child locks.

            Vroom vroom, beep beep! Off to the vet we go!

          3. Ollie Cromwell

            Well it wouldn’t be an Irish car because of course Ireland doesn’t make cars.
            Actually it doesn’t manufacture much at all.
            Therein lies this countries biggest problem.
            It relies heavily on imports,mainly from the UK and exports mainly via the UK.
            Leo is not so much in the driving seat as hitch-hiking at the side of the road.

          4. Nigel

            Yeah Brexit is still a chaotic mess and the UK has underperformed abysmally at the negotiating table. Negging Ireland may make you feel better and reinforce your sense of racial superiority, but it ain’t going to change nothing.

      2. Formerly known as @ireland.com

        I thought the British talked about WWI and WWII so that they wouldn’t have to talk about murdering and pillaging their way around the world, picking off territories with weaker armies.

      3. Cú Chulainn

        Thankfully we have your wonderful knowledge to call upon in our hour of need.. where would we be without you.. m8

    1. Listrade

      Really? Then why did you bring up 1916 at 8:28? Was that your way of intelligent discussion?

      https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/12/11/de-wednesday-papers-296/#comment-2043815

      You’re right it is the same old. You present a Mr Whippy of effluvia and insert the Empire or “paddy” as a turd flake, then try and claim the high ground and gaslight everyone that this has always been your position, that it is a 99er and we’re being unreasonable and deluded for pointing out you are just handing out steaming turds of nonsense.

    2. ReproBertie

      Sorry, I missed your hopes for a more intelligent discussion over the sound of the supplicant Paddy throwing themselves at the feet of a German-dominated EU.

      Physician heal thyself.

  8. Ollie Cromwell

    Not a bad morning’s work by the Ollster.
    Just a few well-informed posts on my part and the same old suspects are working themselves up into a spittle-flecked frenzy like hamsters on a treadmill going round and round in circles and getting nowhere.
    It is an utter joy to watch.
    And there are months if not years more of this to come.
    Marvellous.

    1. Spaghetti Hoop

      I don’t actually mind correcting you on your history – it’s like being on Eggheads. Keep it coming.

  9. Ollie Cromwell

    Anyway,my prediction for what it’s worth.
    May to tell 1922 committee she’ll go after March 29th 2019 – this will give her enough votes to win the confidence motion but she’ll be mortally wounded and depending on the size of the opposition to her in the party she could be gone by Christmas.
    MPs to vote down the Withdrawal Agreement in the New Year by a significant majority.
    After that,it’s anyone’s guess.

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