Brexit- No deal or referendum so. Not surprising really as May did not have anything new to offer, except the EU now has a clear reason not to concede on the backstop.
It has to be something in the water over there.
Cú Chulainn
Extension followed by an election. Hard to see anything else at this stage. Quite extraordinary that the body politic in Britain has come to this. And a seismic shift in NI that has made a federal Ireland a certainty. Interesting times indeed.
ReproBertie
An extension means the EU tax rules come in to play and Farage, Rees Mogg and co don’t want that. Also an extension makes the EU elections in May very messy.
jusayinlike
Bertie, Bojo and Mogg are stooges.
The real audience over the tax situation is in Buckingham Palace.
ReproBertie
Are you calling me a stooge or just addressing the comment at me?
jusayinlike
No I’m not, it’s an observation about bj and mogg.
ReproBertie
Sound, that’s what I thought but just wanted to be sure.
I agree on their stooge status.
jusayinlike
If a tax exclusion is agreed for the City, May and co will agree to any Brexit that’s being offered.
They serve queen over country..
milk teeth
The queen is exempt from British law so I expect she dosen’t give a toss.
Spaghetti Hoop
Is she really? What about her husband, The Stig?
Andyourpointiswhatexactly?
The Sovereign can’t be prosecuted. The Pipsters can, though.
SOQ
Bertie, explain what the EU tax rules that come into play are please?
jusayinlike
The Panama paper’s
All trusts will be made to name beneficiaries, if said beneficiaries reside in the UK/EU they will be liable for taxation.
The Bank of England boss says “It’s cold comfort, but it [a disorderly Brexit] will be worse in Europe than it is here” That thinking is prevalent amongst a certain segment of the powers-that-be in the UK. Are they hoping the EU will cave on the backstop or risk a no-deal? It’s a dangerous game of chicken, and there’s a solid cohort in the EU that just want the UK gone at this stage, deal or no deal.
What is totally clear is, the UK government is deliberately running down the clock.
jusayinlike
So as to prolong negotiations in the hope a tax exclusion deal can be reached for the City of London.
SOQ
And as above, what is the tax exclusion deal meant to deliver?
jusayinlike
See my comment above. it’s stemming from the Panama paper’s scandal.
Eoin
Irish film director found not guilty of sexual assault in London. Interesting case of he said/she said and very little circumstantial evidence. Times Ireland yesterday (now online) reports
“Stephen Fingleton, 35, from Enniskillen, Co Fermanagh, wept in the dock as he was found not guilty of attacking the woman in her west London home after they had had lunch. He looked at the jury and said “thank you” as the verdict was delivered.
The woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, had claimed that the director pulled her head towards his crotch as she hung washing. A jury at Isleworth crown court found Mr Fingleton not guilty of one charge of sexual assault after deliberating for eight hours.”
dav
nice copy and paste… do you have a point to make?
Northern Pole Cats
Why does the man found not guilty have his name plastered all over the media but his accuser gets to hide in anonymity?
What happened to equality? What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Is this man to be tried all over again in the media?
Oh that’s right: he’s white, he’s a man, he has no rights. It’s his own fault for going to lunch without a chaperone. He was asking for it…
Cue the hypocrites.
dav
how many cases of rape and sexual assaults go unreported to the authorities? I would submit that they are many times the number of cases where the accused is found not guilty..
ReproBertie
“he’s white, he’s a man, he has no rights”
Such a pathetic snowflake. Go on, tell us how white males are the most discriminated against minority.
Northern Pole Cats
Equality for me but not for thee.
Your hypocrisy is glowing.
ReproBertie
Did you just learn the word hypocrisy when I called you out on it yesterday?
Entertain me. Explain how anything I said in response to your cry baby post displays hypocrisy. Go on, show us how well you understand your new word.
Spaghetti Hoop
You made sense until you said he’s white.
Papi
Northern Troll Cats doesn’t need to make sense, so doesn’t, it’s how he (t)rolls.
Northern Pole Cats
If he was of the preferred protected pigmentation/religious background/sexual orientation/gender dis-morphia his identity would be sealed, even if he was found guilty.
Besides, you’re all (deliberately) missing the point – what is the punishment for making false accusations of this sort? Why is there no jeopardy for a woman who lies in court with the aim of destroying a man’s reputation?
Or are we still stuck on “not guilty does not mean innocent” – “believe women” – “all men are bastards”…
Nigel
She hasn’t been found guilty of anything but you want to punish her?
ReproBertie
He’s being discriminated against by having the papers publicly announce that his name was cleared.
jusayinlike
But it could be said that his reputation is forever tarnished..
Eoin
It’s an interesting case that cropped up previously in the daily papers section and I thought it should probably be said the man has now been found not guilty. The case involved some interesting issues, the #metoo Harvey Weinstein angle, the he said/she said nature of it, the naming of the suspect (now cleared) and the anonymity of the alleged victim, and the suspect is an Irish film director. Stephen says that as a result of the case he lost out on a major US project involving well-known actors. I didn’t hear the evidence and if he had been found guilty, he would have deserved the book being thrown at him, but, as it is, I feel a bit sorry for him.
Eoin
Does anyone else think it’s suspicious Eoghan Murphy hasn’t published the social housing construction figures for 208 by local authority area? The local authorities built 833 units in the first three quarters of 2018. Murphy is claiming (though he had to be asked a few times for the info by RTE yesterday) that 2,022 units were constructed in the full year. Did they really construct 1,200 units in one quarter (2022-833)? And it’s now 7 weeks into 2019, why isn’t Murphy providing us with the figures? I smell a rat.
Local elections
And the Soldiers of Destiny are currently the majority reps at local level
And they cannot lose that status
So maybe they’re saving those numbers for themselves
But that’s just me
edalicious
Interesting take on the front of the Star. Apparently people not wanting to work in pubs is because of a lack of character, rather than a lack of pay.
f_lawless
I see BBC Syria producer Riam Dalati has done a 180 and recently posted on twitter: “I can now prove without a doubt that the hospital scene in Douma was staged. No fatalities occurred in the hospital..” https://twitter.com/Tim_Hayward_/status/1096295852396691456
This was the unverified video used as justification by “FUKUS” to launch a bombing campaign in Syria 10 months ago. Same old story, original narrative falls apart but media spotlight has long moved on and won’t be coming back
jusayinlike
Tulsi Gabbard 2020.
Junkface
The ISIS teen wife who wants to come back to UK. Jesus Christ! No shame. They should just send her a tent to sit in, in the desert, so she can think about what she did. She chose Medieval Scum and be-headings of innocents over civilised society, reality and a loving family.
f_lawless
feckin teenagers with their not-yet-fully-developed brains getting indoctrinated into murderous cults. Bring back hanging I say!
Junkface
Not in this part of the world thankfully, but any Islamic country will gladly have hangings if that’s what you want. They can also provide the Bone-Saw option for journalists.
jusayinlike
The bone saw option for journos is also practiced in the west..
See Gary Webb, he was shot twice in the head and his death was ruled a suicide.
His death wasn’t eulogized by the lapdog press like jamal (relative of arms dealer Adnan) kashogi, maybe it had something to do with his reporting on state sponsored terrorism and drug dealing from the Iran contra affair.
f_lawless
but you don’t dispute that a teenager’s frontal lobe is not fully developed yet – the part which effects the decision-making process, the ability to control emotions and impulses, and empathy, etc?
Careful now – your ideologically driven anti-Islamic thinking might just leave you hate-filled and lacking in empathy
Junkface
There are plenty of Muslims in exile in Canada and the USA who would strongly disagree with what you just said. You can be anti religion with regards to Islam without being anti-Islamic which I think you mean as being racist against Muslims. Islam needs to be reformed, millions of modernist Muslims want this, thousands of ex-Muslims want this too, because as Atheists they had to flee their own countries otherwise they would be stoned to death or beheaded by angry mobs. Oh, there’s also the culture of Honor killings, parents killing their own daughters for not doing what they want. So tell me, out of all of the religions out there, which one is most intolerant and violent?
jusayinlike
I had no idea you’re the Muslim diaspora spokesman.
f_lawless
so consumed you are with making your ideological point about Islam, that you won’t even address your earlier call for, effectively, the torture of a teenager! Confined to a tent in the desert I imagine to be fairly hellish
Junkface
That’s not torture! That’s pretty close to what they were already living like in the desert. Extremists who choose a life of terrorism and intolerance should be left with their own choice. Teenagers also know the difference between right and wrong by the age of 13, even though yes they are highly suggestible, but that’s the whole point. No other religion would convince young people that terrorism is fine. If this scourge of Sunni and Wahhabi Islam was modernised to be more tolerant then this whole situation would not have arisen.
And ‘jusayinlike’, I never said I was the spokesman for the Muslim diaspora. I’m making a point based on real life experiences of ex Muslims, from articles they have written and shared with the world in order to be heard. Should they be silenced? You’re being childish.
jusayinlike
You want Trump dead, and Muslim’s strung up for being dragged into a proxy war, you than hilariously go all self righteous and claim you know what Muslim’s want..
and than you call me childish, get a grip..
f_lawless
“Teenagers also know the difference between right and wrong by the age of 13, even though yes they are highly suggestible, but that’s the whole point. No other religion would convince young people that terrorism is fine.”
That’s not the whole point – that’s your whole point (which isn’t actually correct either). I’m trying to make the point to you, that if you’re calling for a teenage girl – who’s been indoctrinated into a cult since the age of 15 and is currently 9 months pregnant – to be confined to a tent in the desert against her will, then it appears as though something is causing you to have a lack of empathy
Nigel
From the absolute bare minimum I’ve read about her, she seems like a strong, stubborn, fearless person and it’s a pure tragedy to lose her, and young people like her, to violent fanaticism.
Nigel
‘No other religion would convince young people that terrorism is fine.’
We had a fairly recent conflict of our own divided along sectarian lines that never had much difficulty persuading young people that terrorism is fine. In fact it’s a category error, religion is one of several things that have, historically, successfully persuaded young people that terrorism is fine. Ironically, this particular version of this particular religion did not exist extensively in this form until relatively recently when it was fostered and funded and supported specifically to channel violence in proxy Cold War conflicts. People often think that irony is a form of humour, but it’s usually deeply unfunny.
f_lawless
@Junkface in fairness I’m bought up ideological thinking because it’s something I recognise I’m not immune to getting trapped in.
Also,I can see the drawback of online communication – the urge to respond impulsively in the moment will be very different to what we would have written after a longer period of reflection – it’s now crystalised online and then you end up having defend your corner from that basis
johnny
The NYT above has a small piece on Brexit/Ireland-i know bit late getting started this am (late nite) but its somewhat interesting read-in that this is what is getting presented to yanks who are completely disinterested in Brexit.
Great work bodger/broadsheet this week on bizarre DOB trial,what good name would this be:)
Its been commented on by Eoin that the defense strategy is very one dimensional,Roger Stone documented various allegations/rumors regarding Clinton Foundation/DOB all available at ‘stonecoldtruth’,which are far ‘worse’ than anything Tom/Ian or the SPB ever published.
“Given the choice between that and reunification, people across the island of Ireland have shown a preference for unity, though neither government has expressed the same enthusiasm.”
overrun/fiscal space
Brexit- No deal or referendum so. Not surprising really as May did not have anything new to offer, except the EU now has a clear reason not to concede on the backstop.
It has to be something in the water over there.
Extension followed by an election. Hard to see anything else at this stage. Quite extraordinary that the body politic in Britain has come to this. And a seismic shift in NI that has made a federal Ireland a certainty. Interesting times indeed.
An extension means the EU tax rules come in to play and Farage, Rees Mogg and co don’t want that. Also an extension makes the EU elections in May very messy.
Bertie, Bojo and Mogg are stooges.
The real audience over the tax situation is in Buckingham Palace.
Are you calling me a stooge or just addressing the comment at me?
No I’m not, it’s an observation about bj and mogg.
Sound, that’s what I thought but just wanted to be sure.
I agree on their stooge status.
If a tax exclusion is agreed for the City, May and co will agree to any Brexit that’s being offered.
They serve queen over country..
The queen is exempt from British law so I expect she dosen’t give a toss.
Is she really? What about her husband, The Stig?
The Sovereign can’t be prosecuted. The Pipsters can, though.
Bertie, explain what the EU tax rules that come into play are please?
The Panama paper’s
All trusts will be made to name beneficiaries, if said beneficiaries reside in the UK/EU they will be liable for taxation.
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/is-the-anti-tax-avoidance-directive-the-reason-the-rich-want-out-of-eu-1-5669763
The Bank of England boss says “It’s cold comfort, but it [a disorderly Brexit] will be worse in Europe than it is here” That thinking is prevalent amongst a certain segment of the powers-that-be in the UK. Are they hoping the EU will cave on the backstop or risk a no-deal? It’s a dangerous game of chicken, and there’s a solid cohort in the EU that just want the UK gone at this stage, deal or no deal.
What is totally clear is, the UK government is deliberately running down the clock.
So as to prolong negotiations in the hope a tax exclusion deal can be reached for the City of London.
And as above, what is the tax exclusion deal meant to deliver?
See my comment above. it’s stemming from the Panama paper’s scandal.
Irish film director found not guilty of sexual assault in London. Interesting case of he said/she said and very little circumstantial evidence. Times Ireland yesterday (now online) reports
“Stephen Fingleton, 35, from Enniskillen, Co Fermanagh, wept in the dock as he was found not guilty of attacking the woman in her west London home after they had had lunch. He looked at the jury and said “thank you” as the verdict was delivered.
The woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, had claimed that the director pulled her head towards his crotch as she hung washing. A jury at Isleworth crown court found Mr Fingleton not guilty of one charge of sexual assault after deliberating for eight hours.”
nice copy and paste… do you have a point to make?
Why does the man found not guilty have his name plastered all over the media but his accuser gets to hide in anonymity?
What happened to equality? What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Is this man to be tried all over again in the media?
Oh that’s right: he’s white, he’s a man, he has no rights. It’s his own fault for going to lunch without a chaperone. He was asking for it…
Cue the hypocrites.
how many cases of rape and sexual assaults go unreported to the authorities? I would submit that they are many times the number of cases where the accused is found not guilty..
“he’s white, he’s a man, he has no rights”
Such a pathetic snowflake. Go on, tell us how white males are the most discriminated against minority.
Equality for me but not for thee.
Your hypocrisy is glowing.
Did you just learn the word hypocrisy when I called you out on it yesterday?
Entertain me. Explain how anything I said in response to your cry baby post displays hypocrisy. Go on, show us how well you understand your new word.
You made sense until you said he’s white.
Northern Troll Cats doesn’t need to make sense, so doesn’t, it’s how he (t)rolls.
If he was of the preferred protected pigmentation/religious background/sexual orientation/gender dis-morphia his identity would be sealed, even if he was found guilty.
Besides, you’re all (deliberately) missing the point – what is the punishment for making false accusations of this sort? Why is there no jeopardy for a woman who lies in court with the aim of destroying a man’s reputation?
Or are we still stuck on “not guilty does not mean innocent” – “believe women” – “all men are bastards”…
She hasn’t been found guilty of anything but you want to punish her?
He’s being discriminated against by having the papers publicly announce that his name was cleared.
But it could be said that his reputation is forever tarnished..
It’s an interesting case that cropped up previously in the daily papers section and I thought it should probably be said the man has now been found not guilty. The case involved some interesting issues, the #metoo Harvey Weinstein angle, the he said/she said nature of it, the naming of the suspect (now cleared) and the anonymity of the alleged victim, and the suspect is an Irish film director. Stephen says that as a result of the case he lost out on a major US project involving well-known actors. I didn’t hear the evidence and if he had been found guilty, he would have deserved the book being thrown at him, but, as it is, I feel a bit sorry for him.
Does anyone else think it’s suspicious Eoghan Murphy hasn’t published the social housing construction figures for 208 by local authority area? The local authorities built 833 units in the first three quarters of 2018. Murphy is claiming (though he had to be asked a few times for the info by RTE yesterday) that 2,022 units were constructed in the full year. Did they really construct 1,200 units in one quarter (2022-833)? And it’s now 7 weeks into 2019, why isn’t Murphy providing us with the figures? I smell a rat.
I’m smelling Fianna Fail ..
Local elections
And the Soldiers of Destiny are currently the majority reps at local level
And they cannot lose that status
So maybe they’re saving those numbers for themselves
But that’s just me
Interesting take on the front of the Star. Apparently people not wanting to work in pubs is because of a lack of character, rather than a lack of pay.
I see BBC Syria producer Riam Dalati has done a 180 and recently posted on twitter: “I can now prove without a doubt that the hospital scene in Douma was staged. No fatalities occurred in the hospital..”
https://twitter.com/Tim_Hayward_/status/1096295852396691456
This was the unverified video used as justification by “FUKUS” to launch a bombing campaign in Syria 10 months ago. Same old story, original narrative falls apart but media spotlight has long moved on and won’t be coming back
Tulsi Gabbard 2020.
The ISIS teen wife who wants to come back to UK. Jesus Christ! No shame. They should just send her a tent to sit in, in the desert, so she can think about what she did. She chose Medieval Scum and be-headings of innocents over civilised society, reality and a loving family.
feckin teenagers with their not-yet-fully-developed brains getting indoctrinated into murderous cults. Bring back hanging I say!
Not in this part of the world thankfully, but any Islamic country will gladly have hangings if that’s what you want. They can also provide the Bone-Saw option for journalists.
The bone saw option for journos is also practiced in the west..
See Gary Webb, he was shot twice in the head and his death was ruled a suicide.
His death wasn’t eulogized by the lapdog press like jamal (relative of arms dealer Adnan) kashogi, maybe it had something to do with his reporting on state sponsored terrorism and drug dealing from the Iran contra affair.
but you don’t dispute that a teenager’s frontal lobe is not fully developed yet – the part which effects the decision-making process, the ability to control emotions and impulses, and empathy, etc?
Careful now – your ideologically driven anti-Islamic thinking might just leave you hate-filled and lacking in empathy
There are plenty of Muslims in exile in Canada and the USA who would strongly disagree with what you just said. You can be anti religion with regards to Islam without being anti-Islamic which I think you mean as being racist against Muslims. Islam needs to be reformed, millions of modernist Muslims want this, thousands of ex-Muslims want this too, because as Atheists they had to flee their own countries otherwise they would be stoned to death or beheaded by angry mobs. Oh, there’s also the culture of Honor killings, parents killing their own daughters for not doing what they want. So tell me, out of all of the religions out there, which one is most intolerant and violent?
I had no idea you’re the Muslim diaspora spokesman.
so consumed you are with making your ideological point about Islam, that you won’t even address your earlier call for, effectively, the torture of a teenager! Confined to a tent in the desert I imagine to be fairly hellish
That’s not torture! That’s pretty close to what they were already living like in the desert. Extremists who choose a life of terrorism and intolerance should be left with their own choice. Teenagers also know the difference between right and wrong by the age of 13, even though yes they are highly suggestible, but that’s the whole point. No other religion would convince young people that terrorism is fine. If this scourge of Sunni and Wahhabi Islam was modernised to be more tolerant then this whole situation would not have arisen.
And ‘jusayinlike’, I never said I was the spokesman for the Muslim diaspora. I’m making a point based on real life experiences of ex Muslims, from articles they have written and shared with the world in order to be heard. Should they be silenced? You’re being childish.
You want Trump dead, and Muslim’s strung up for being dragged into a proxy war, you than hilariously go all self righteous and claim you know what Muslim’s want..
and than you call me childish, get a grip..
“Teenagers also know the difference between right and wrong by the age of 13, even though yes they are highly suggestible, but that’s the whole point. No other religion would convince young people that terrorism is fine.”
That’s not the whole point – that’s your whole point (which isn’t actually correct either). I’m trying to make the point to you, that if you’re calling for a teenage girl – who’s been indoctrinated into a cult since the age of 15 and is currently 9 months pregnant – to be confined to a tent in the desert against her will, then it appears as though something is causing you to have a lack of empathy
From the absolute bare minimum I’ve read about her, she seems like a strong, stubborn, fearless person and it’s a pure tragedy to lose her, and young people like her, to violent fanaticism.
‘No other religion would convince young people that terrorism is fine.’
We had a fairly recent conflict of our own divided along sectarian lines that never had much difficulty persuading young people that terrorism is fine. In fact it’s a category error, religion is one of several things that have, historically, successfully persuaded young people that terrorism is fine. Ironically, this particular version of this particular religion did not exist extensively in this form until relatively recently when it was fostered and funded and supported specifically to channel violence in proxy Cold War conflicts. People often think that irony is a form of humour, but it’s usually deeply unfunny.
@Junkface in fairness I’m bought up ideological thinking because it’s something I recognise I’m not immune to getting trapped in.
Also,I can see the drawback of online communication – the urge to respond impulsively in the moment will be very different to what we would have written after a longer period of reflection – it’s now crystalised online and then you end up having defend your corner from that basis
The NYT above has a small piece on Brexit/Ireland-i know bit late getting started this am (late nite) but its somewhat interesting read-in that this is what is getting presented to yanks who are completely disinterested in Brexit.
Great work bodger/broadsheet this week on bizarre DOB trial,what good name would this be:)
Its been commented on by Eoin that the defense strategy is very one dimensional,Roger Stone documented various allegations/rumors regarding Clinton Foundation/DOB all available at ‘stonecoldtruth’,which are far ‘worse’ than anything Tom/Ian or the SPB ever published.
“Given the choice between that and reunification, people across the island of Ireland have shown a preference for unity, though neither government has expressed the same enthusiasm.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/15/world/europe/brexit-northern-ireland.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage