Bell Curve Ball

at

Yesterday.

Former editors and founding members of The Burkean Journal, an online publication “founded and run by university students in Ireland that seeks to promote conservative, nationalist, libertarian and other oft ignored ideals” dissociate themselves from a recent article and the journal’s editor.

Meanwhile

Via The Burkean Journal:

‘…nowhere in its contents are eugenics, race, inferiority or superiority mentioned. It is merely an examination of difference, and why those differences should be understood and celebrated. Read it and judge for yourself.’

Not All Are Born Equal (Mícheál Ó Dubhir Conghaile, The Burkean Journal)

29 thoughts on “Bell Curve Ball

  1. missred

    I have only vaguely heard of this publication and have not read the article. But the indication of John McGuirk giving out about something in it makes me think the piece may have been a reasonable one.

    1. missred

      I have now changed my mind and have concluded that it must be really really racist if McGuirk is criticising it.

  2. Jonickal

    The article makes some strong eye-brow raising claims, but I don’t see it reason enough to resign over. This line in particular is probably the one drawing the most outrage:

    “…a massive gathering of unintelligent people will function inordinately worse than a small gathering of unintelligent people.”

    1. Cian

      “The IQ of a mob is the IQ of its most stupid member divided by the number of mobsters.” — Terry Pratchett

      1. Mel

        The madness of crowds and all that? It’s hardly a new thing? Bill Buford’s Among the Thugs is well worth a read in this regard.

  3. Andyourpointiswhatexactly?

    It has the bang of a Leaving Cert essay off it. He’s not wrong about dopes being dopey/brain drain, but he loses his way with it.

  4. Nigel

    Note that conservative thought is mostly being ignored by varying degrees of conservatives currently in power. It’s Trump tweets, death-march May and our own overspender Varadker, all a far cry from the intellectual heavyweight, dear old Butke

    1. McVitty

      Yes, there are no conservative or liberal parliamentary parties anymore – they cannot hold onto their core values and play up to global institutions and big business at once…so we just see very public positions on minority rights issues leading to disproportionate coverage and white noise to keep us all distracted. We all aught to be pushing for more instead of getting drawn in – i.e. supporting it by white-Nigeing ;)

      1. Nigel

        The corporations and the right like it when you think that the minority rights stuff is white noise because when you relegate the way we treat people, particular those historically vulnerable to hate, discrimination and exploitation, to the status of distraction they can do what they bloody well want and when other people push back you’re there telling them it’s a distraction.

  5. class wario

    Hilarious to see the likes of McGuirk and Ganley try and rein in the Frankenstein’s monster that they helped give life to in the first place.

    However, it is sad that so much Ireland-centric political discourse now contains faceless alt righters spouting 4chan buzzwords and americanisms. The replies to that McGuirk tweet are depressing.

  6. Holden MaGroin

    There is a malign undercurrent to this piece. A certain amount of holding off from what they really want to say is going on here too.

    Perhaps the Marshall plan didn’t have the effect it is feted to have had. Of course groups of people with similar interests and values gather together. It is not necessarily a question of intelligence though.

    Seems like what he is ultimately saying is some people in certain areas are less intelligent and innovative because of brain drain and historical events holding them back. But just because they have and still are experiencing issues doesn’t mean they won’t change in the future and move away from these current issues.

    If there is a current of racism in this piece it is not overt but I felt uncomfortable reading it. Maybe because I came to it from Broadsheet and don’t know much about that site or the people behind it. Having said all that, the title is a bit provocative.

  7. Owen C

    Hmm, search for some YouTube hits on the author Michael O’Dwyer Connolly. The crossover with alt-right yellow vest stuff is reasonably strong.

  8. Nilbert

    “Convergence only seems to occur when nations are either:

    – European (the closer to core Europe the quicker).
    – Directly descended from Europeans (USA, Australia, etc).
    – East or Northeast Asian.
    -Directly descended from East Asians (Singapore).”

    BuT No Bl@cks OKaY!11!!!!!!

    Pathetic racist drivel… the quasi-intellectual tone somehow makes it more perverse.
    I don’t know which is worse… if this kind of narrative covers up a more rabid form of racism, or if it’s actually genuine?

  9. Emily Dickinson

    This is obviously an important and influential publication because it has something called an ‘editorial board.’ Broadsheet should get one of those. Let be me the first to nominate Holden MaGroin. He/She can spot a typo, which is a useful board-level skill. And also the name.

      1. Spaghetti Hoop

        I think there should be a Behaviour and Standards Committee. To prevent Papi and Andy discussing gential infections.

  10. rotide

    After a quick flick through, this article does seem like a giant ball of racism. Not the most coherant either while it tries to hammer home a personally held belief. Sort of like a white supremacist Bryan Wall.

    However, There are obviously reasons for the things he’s talking about and sometimes it’s hard to have that conversation. I just read a few articles on why certain regions do so well in certain sporting events because it’s so surprising that we never see non racist conversations about why noone apart from west africans win the 100m and people from a small region of the rift valley do so well in distance events.
    (https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonentine/2012/08/12/the-dna-olympics-jamaicans-win-sprinting-genetic-lottery-and-why-we-should-all-care/#42e89152a2ec this is a great example). It’s hard to have those conversations without racism creeping in. The above is a classic example

    1. Zaccone

      I think its pretty obvious that there are genetic differences between the races. Its completely logical, and theres lots of science to back it up.

      The problem is that any discussion on anything related to it quickly turns into far right Aryan-master-race types on one side using any genetic differences as excuses for genocide, and “safe space” extreme left wing types on the other side calling any discussion on the matter, no matter how moderate/valid/scientific, racist.

      I’m not sure how exactly to fix that, sadly.

    2. Spaghetti Hoop

      Homo Sapiens all hail from the one region – the Rift Valley as it happens.

      But with migration, we have adapted to different environments and practices.
      The Kalenjin tribe in Kenya owes its running prowess to number of factors – not just physiological but behavioural too. I did a bit of research in the Kenyan tribes. Any conversations I’ve had about the world’s tribes in general – Maasai, Celts, Saxons, Native Americans et al have always been culturally relative and I’ve never seen anything racist in them in hindsight. How do you reckon it does? I’m genuinely interested, not calling you out.

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