If vaccines work then why are unvaccinated people considered some kind of threat?
rotide
For a few reasons
Firstly, there are certain people who cannot get vaccinated, mainly the very young. In a fully vaccinated society, those people run very little risk of contracting a preventable disease. Idiots who don’t get vaccinated pose a significant threat to those people
Secondly and more seriously, vaccines like most medical procedures aren’t 100% effective. They HUGELY minimise your chances of contracting the disease but are not a complete foolproof guard. What DOES almost guarentee 100% success rate is if the entire population is vaccinated. The more people who aren’t 99%(for example) immune, the more danger to everyone else.
If you had simply googled your question, you could have found this out in less than the time it took to read this reply so i suspect you just want to get that anti vax propoganda out there under the guise of ‘just asking questions’.
Simon
Agreed!
Daisy Chainsaw
This. A thousand times this. I’m immunocompromised and rely on herd immunity as well as my own vaccinations to keep me healthy. I don’t understand the logic behind believing a dead child is better than one with autism.
Beanster
So you admit vaccines can prompt autism.
The Great Wall of Gammon
Today’s logical fallacy award goes to…
millie st murderlark
Jog on buddy. I’m sure there’s a brick wall that’s very interesting in hearing your treatise on blatant stupidity.
Nigel
Catching someone out on an internet comment section is a well-known scientific method.
We need herd immunity as they call it, to keep everyone safe. Vaccinations are essential.
The Great Wall of Gammon
Stuh… stuhhhp …..stupiiiiid….
eoin
Awful reporting from Niamh Lyons in the Times Ireland today “Rival parties get deadline to reach a deal on Stormont”
The most basic and obvious question is “what happens if there isn’t success by the deadline [24 May, when the European Elections take place, a totally artificial date]”
No answer.
The Times Ireland isn’t even pretending to try any more, is it. Another skimpy edition today as well.
SOQ
Exactly- they are being held to account by the people after a priest cracked the whip. Deadlines mean nothing, just get on with it.
eoin
The Irish Times says the government is about to approve the €3 billion broadband contract for the consortium which includes Denis O’Brien’s Siteserv. Mr O’Brien is the embattled businessman who, according to the Moriarty Tribunal, gave cash and other benefits to the minister of the day, Michael Lowry, as part of the state’s sale of a lucrative mobile phone licence in the 1990s. In addition to the Moriarty Tribunal, there is an ongoing commission examining the sale by the state-owned Anglo of Siteserv to Mr O’Brien in controversial circumstances. That commission has been extended five times by Leo and its future is in doubt, with it racking up €30m of costs to date.
Why is the government awarding the broadband contract now?
According to the IT, “they [the FG government] were also fearful that a decision to shelve the project or even to recommence it with an eye to reducing costs would cause outrage in rural Ireland in advance of the local and European elections next month.”
And the cherry on the cake “The Government will then embark on a major publicity drive to sell the plan, with rural-based Ministers taking a lead role.”
Utter gombeens who shouldn’t be let anywhere near government in future.
GiggidyGoo
The FG rural ministers are in for a rude awakening, as well as their rural TDs come next general election. The installing of a deadbeat leader contrary to the wishes of the ordinary FG Joe Soaps isn’t forgotten, and neither are the boyos that pushed it for him. Not forgetting the establishment of the ethnics, who roam the countryside thieving and assaulting those self same FG supporters.
This €3000,000,000 gift to Denis must be stopped. Relate that to the ‘stack ‘em high’ mentality regarding the morgue of Waterford Hospital. And then on the taxpayer funding the building of a private practice in the new, also overpriced, National Children’s Hospital.
FG have done more damage in the 8 years they have been in office (ably abetted by FF and LAB mind you) to this state, and it’s population. Denis O Briens ‘companies’ have suckled the teat of the Irish taxpayer for too long now.
eoin
At least Leo and the FG candidates can be guaranteed flattering coverage in the run up to our elections at the end of May.
Denis O’Brien owns the biggest commercial radio stations in the country as well as 30% of the Indo, Sindo, Herald and Sunday World, not to mention a web of regional newspapers. The corporate watchdog presently has inspectors onsite at INM, the publisher of these papers, probing several concerns and allegations, including the allegation the business is run in Denis O’Brien’s interest.
Never mind about Russian influence on our elections, take a look a little closer to home.
eoin
Front page of the Guardian rehashes the story that “150-200” soldiers AND POLICEMEN are facing an inquiry into possible crimes during the conflict in Northern Ireland.
What’s new is Tory MPs blaming “cultural Marxism” for the move to hold these people to account.
So, I hear you’re a cultural Marxist now Ted.
eoin
Marvin the Martian must’ve had beans for tea yesterday. NASA has detected some twitch on Mars with “an instrument sensitive enough to measure a seismic wave just one-half the radius of a hydrogen atom.”
NASA is calling it a “marsquake” to make sure you don’t confuse it with a quaking of the earth on this planet. Jebus, if I haven’t said it before, those billions the US govt and others pour into NASA is truly money well spent.
“Ireland is a tax haven — and that’s becoming controversial at home” by a UCD economics lecturer
“An elite network of legal, financial and accounting experts, often with direct access to the prime minister and the minister for finance, help to keep the politics on track…”
“How one country blocks the world on data privacy” https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/24/ireland-data-privacy-1270123
Good piece of investigative journalism. Putting the spotlight on Ireland, the world’s Wild West of Data Protection Regulation. This constant deference to the ‘almighty dollar’ is sickening
Mickey Twopints
Good one to read properly later. Thanks!
Johnny
They have been doing great reporting on it,Dixon is before a senate committee in DC next week.
Johnny
‘When the policy was announced, it was met in some quarters with apoplexy. More than 160,000 signatures appeared on half a dozen online petitions entreating Australia to spare the cats. Brigitte Bardot wrote a letter — in English, but with an unmistakably French cadence — beseeching the environment minister to stop what she called animal genocide. The singer Morrissey, formerly of the Smiths, lamented that “idiots rule the earth” and said the plan was akin to killing two million miniature Cecil the Lions. Despite anger from some animal rights groups and worries about the potential effects on pet cats, Australia went ahead with its plan, and the threatened-species commissioner replied by mail to both Bardot and Morrissey, politely describing the “delightful creatures” already lost to the world.‘
Absolutely superb piece in this weekends NYT mag,great writing and what a story,brilliant.
‘The cat was a tabby with fine black lines descending from its spine like the furrows of tree bark. It was a light gray; a healthy, muscled animal in its hunting prime. The force of the impact from the second shot had blown off the cat’s entire head, and there was little trace of it save the strands of tissue trailing from its body.’
If vaccines work then why are unvaccinated people considered some kind of threat?
For a few reasons
Firstly, there are certain people who cannot get vaccinated, mainly the very young. In a fully vaccinated society, those people run very little risk of contracting a preventable disease. Idiots who don’t get vaccinated pose a significant threat to those people
Secondly and more seriously, vaccines like most medical procedures aren’t 100% effective. They HUGELY minimise your chances of contracting the disease but are not a complete foolproof guard. What DOES almost guarentee 100% success rate is if the entire population is vaccinated. The more people who aren’t 99%(for example) immune, the more danger to everyone else.
If you had simply googled your question, you could have found this out in less than the time it took to read this reply so i suspect you just want to get that anti vax propoganda out there under the guise of ‘just asking questions’.
Agreed!
This. A thousand times this. I’m immunocompromised and rely on herd immunity as well as my own vaccinations to keep me healthy. I don’t understand the logic behind believing a dead child is better than one with autism.
So you admit vaccines can prompt autism.
Today’s logical fallacy award goes to…
Jog on buddy. I’m sure there’s a brick wall that’s very interesting in hearing your treatise on blatant stupidity.
Catching someone out on an internet comment section is a well-known scientific method.
Fair play Rotide
#istandwithrotide
I cannot agree with you more rots!
+1000
+ 1
Perfectly put.
Ah will ya cope Row
With all this
Nice
Attention to a post
For a change like
+1 Rotide
We need herd immunity as they call it, to keep everyone safe. Vaccinations are essential.
Stuh… stuhhhp …..stupiiiiid….
Awful reporting from Niamh Lyons in the Times Ireland today “Rival parties get deadline to reach a deal on Stormont”
The most basic and obvious question is “what happens if there isn’t success by the deadline [24 May, when the European Elections take place, a totally artificial date]”
No answer.
The Times Ireland isn’t even pretending to try any more, is it. Another skimpy edition today as well.
Exactly- they are being held to account by the people after a priest cracked the whip. Deadlines mean nothing, just get on with it.
The Irish Times says the government is about to approve the €3 billion broadband contract for the consortium which includes Denis O’Brien’s Siteserv. Mr O’Brien is the embattled businessman who, according to the Moriarty Tribunal, gave cash and other benefits to the minister of the day, Michael Lowry, as part of the state’s sale of a lucrative mobile phone licence in the 1990s. In addition to the Moriarty Tribunal, there is an ongoing commission examining the sale by the state-owned Anglo of Siteserv to Mr O’Brien in controversial circumstances. That commission has been extended five times by Leo and its future is in doubt, with it racking up €30m of costs to date.
Why is the government awarding the broadband contract now?
According to the IT, “they [the FG government] were also fearful that a decision to shelve the project or even to recommence it with an eye to reducing costs would cause outrage in rural Ireland in advance of the local and European elections next month.”
And the cherry on the cake “The Government will then embark on a major publicity drive to sell the plan, with rural-based Ministers taking a lead role.”
Utter gombeens who shouldn’t be let anywhere near government in future.
The FG rural ministers are in for a rude awakening, as well as their rural TDs come next general election. The installing of a deadbeat leader contrary to the wishes of the ordinary FG Joe Soaps isn’t forgotten, and neither are the boyos that pushed it for him. Not forgetting the establishment of the ethnics, who roam the countryside thieving and assaulting those self same FG supporters.
This €3000,000,000 gift to Denis must be stopped. Relate that to the ‘stack ‘em high’ mentality regarding the morgue of Waterford Hospital. And then on the taxpayer funding the building of a private practice in the new, also overpriced, National Children’s Hospital.
FG have done more damage in the 8 years they have been in office (ably abetted by FF and LAB mind you) to this state, and it’s population. Denis O Briens ‘companies’ have suckled the teat of the Irish taxpayer for too long now.
At least Leo and the FG candidates can be guaranteed flattering coverage in the run up to our elections at the end of May.
Denis O’Brien owns the biggest commercial radio stations in the country as well as 30% of the Indo, Sindo, Herald and Sunday World, not to mention a web of regional newspapers. The corporate watchdog presently has inspectors onsite at INM, the publisher of these papers, probing several concerns and allegations, including the allegation the business is run in Denis O’Brien’s interest.
Never mind about Russian influence on our elections, take a look a little closer to home.
Front page of the Guardian rehashes the story that “150-200” soldiers AND POLICEMEN are facing an inquiry into possible crimes during the conflict in Northern Ireland.
What’s new is Tory MPs blaming “cultural Marxism” for the move to hold these people to account.
So, I hear you’re a cultural Marxist now Ted.
Marvin the Martian must’ve had beans for tea yesterday. NASA has detected some twitch on Mars with “an instrument sensitive enough to measure a seismic wave just one-half the radius of a hydrogen atom.”
NASA is calling it a “marsquake” to make sure you don’t confuse it with a quaking of the earth on this planet. Jebus, if I haven’t said it before, those billions the US govt and others pour into NASA is truly money well spent.
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2019/0424/1045251-mars-nasa/
You really need a better hobby
Washington Post op-ed
“Ireland is a tax haven — and that’s becoming controversial at home” by a UCD economics lecturer
“An elite network of legal, financial and accounting experts, often with direct access to the prime minister and the minister for finance, help to keep the politics on track…”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/25/ireland-is-tax-haven-thats-becoming-controversial-home
interesting link
“How one country blocks the world on data privacy”
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/24/ireland-data-privacy-1270123
Good piece of investigative journalism. Putting the spotlight on Ireland, the world’s Wild West of Data Protection Regulation. This constant deference to the ‘almighty dollar’ is sickening
Good one to read properly later. Thanks!
They have been doing great reporting on it,Dixon is before a senate committee in DC next week.
‘When the policy was announced, it was met in some quarters with apoplexy. More than 160,000 signatures appeared on half a dozen online petitions entreating Australia to spare the cats. Brigitte Bardot wrote a letter — in English, but with an unmistakably French cadence — beseeching the environment minister to stop what she called animal genocide. The singer Morrissey, formerly of the Smiths, lamented that “idiots rule the earth” and said the plan was akin to killing two million miniature Cecil the Lions. Despite anger from some animal rights groups and worries about the potential effects on pet cats, Australia went ahead with its plan, and the threatened-species commissioner replied by mail to both Bardot and Morrissey, politely describing the “delightful creatures” already lost to the world.‘
Absolutely superb piece in this weekends NYT mag,great writing and what a story,brilliant.
‘The cat was a tabby with fine black lines descending from its spine like the furrows of tree bark. It was a light gray; a healthy, muscled animal in its hunting prime. The force of the impact from the second shot had blown off the cat’s entire head, and there was little trace of it save the strands of tissue trailing from its body.’
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/magazine/australia-cat-killing.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
Ps-was going put it under the cat pics section:)
Should we turn the Sahara Desert into a huge solar farm?
– https://theconversation.com/should-we-turn-the-sahara-desert-into-a-huge-solar-farm-114450