Curb Your Enthusiasm

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Last night.

The ‘Big Debate’ on Virgin Media One.

How was it for you?

54 thoughts on “Curb Your Enthusiasm

  1. Dan

    Casey is a bad communicator but his message is worth considering.
    Do we really need more foreign taxi drivers?
    Why do we accept people from cointries who would not accept us? Indonesia, lose your job and you have 10 days to leave the Country.
    Genuine asylum seekers yes. Nigerian ( and other) economic migrants no.

      1. Dan

        Noone said that.
        Almost 1 billion euro a year leaves Ireland for Nigeria. How does that benefit the economy?

        1. dav

          @Dan so it’s lets stop the foreigners sending money back to the families (As the Irish did from the UK and USA throughout the years) ??

        2. Panty Christ

          It actually leaves Ireland for East Midlands airport, making its way through Nottingham and Birmingham. Some of it ends up in London before making its journey to Lagos. This is absolute fact and it’s well know in the taxi game here.

          1. Cian

            Hmm.. according to CSO there were 6,084 Nigerians in Ireland in 2016.
            According to that site $473million in remittance payments went to Nigeria.
            If we assume that only Nigerians send money to Nigeria that averages over $77,000 per person (~€68,000)!

            That, to me, seems very wrong.

          2. Otis Blue

            It’s shows inflows from Ireland to Nigeria as being the 9th highest worldwide and larger than France or Canada. It does seem extraordinarily high though it cites World Bank data as its source.

          3. Cú Chulainn

            One wonders what high ticket item might be finding its way to
            Ireland from west Africa .. certainly not Taxi plates..

    1. Point of order

      I fully agree. Whether people like it or not, there are too many immigrants coming the country. It is directly impacting the health service & is feeding into the housing crisis. It’s such a pity that the word ‘immigrant’ seems so explosive & cannot be spoken about at a political level. I would also like to stop the freedom of movement, within the EU, of people with serious criminal records. We have enough of our own, we don’t need to import them. (See Crimeline for further details)

      1. deluded

        I was out foreign myself during the presidential debates but I remember some hoo-haa about 6 house in Tipperary but nary a mention of the 250,000 houses abandoned 10 years ago. I mean, I’m not digging up the past, Micheál Martin was in cabinet at the time.
        If Casey had our interests at heart he might start with the basic maths before moving to legislate on people’s humanity.

      2. Dan

        Google facebook amazon etc paying their foreign staff a fortune so they can outbid everyone on the rental market.
        Its a discussion that needs to take place

        1. Rob_G

          So, you want to go after the immigrants who pay loads of tax and and purchase loads of goods and services in the economy; stellar idea altogether…

          1. McVitty

            Well, you’re making more than a few assumptions there. Firstly, that they are finding well paying work and that they do not put pressure on state services – so a net gain. The reality might be slightly different. Brexit for many was about the employment agency situation in the north of England where mainly foreign nationals work zero hour contracts with a very low hourly rate. The only person this situation is lucrative to is the person looking to save as much as possible and spend the savings in a place where they go further. That means working as much as possible (max overtime) and working like a dog for 3-5 years. A bit dog eat dog you might say but that’s just how it is – people responding to incentives but this is not the outcome that was promised.

          2. Rob_G

            Actually I was responding to Dan’s point about “Google facebook amazon etc paying their foreign staff a fortune”

            “it for many was about the employment agency situation in the north of England where mainly foreign nationals work zero hour contracts with a very low hourly rate
            … That means working as much as possible (max overtime) and working like a dog for 3-5 years.”

            – takes me to task for making assumptions, then goes and leaps from one assumption to another in your own post :/
            I have no problem about immigrants coming to Ireland to work, and indeed work overtime if they can get it – employers can’t fill these positions. Irish people think that they are as lounge staff or in warehouses, they’d rather remain kept by the state in the manner to which they are accustomed.

        2. Janet, I ate my avatar

          if there was more affordable housing and regulations on rents they wouldn’t have to or be able to outbid anyone
          btw of we had the critical skills we wouldn’t have to employee other humans of the earth,
          I for one am grateful to all the Indian nurses caring for my father

    2. deluded

      Casey is a great communicator and his message is worth considering. Why do some of us have a bad attitude to foreigners and why would we measure ourselves against terrible, abusive regimes and judge the people escaping there by those standards?
      It seems like the opposite of the educated, enlightened civilisation some claim to be defending. But then I looked at it from the perspective of people who want to be in a pecking order, who accept being pushed around because they will get to push someone else around.
      It’s primal and intoxicating plus some people make money from underpaying workers who aren’t considered worthy of the same rights and can be deported if they complain.
      What we are actually encouraging is profiteering with gangmasters and a form of indentured servitude for those who are “left alone” by the law.
      I like how a key point is the “””€41”””million tax not being squeezed out of the lowest paid, not how we* pay so little for all this work now that we can exploit “undocumented” people.
      *we, as in Irish who allow this to continue despite generations of our own experience. That Casey is an emigrant living abroad is just the cherry on top.

      1. Rob_G

        “… why would we measure ourselves against terrible, abusive regimes”

        Citation needed; the highest number of asylum claims in recent years come from Georgia, of all places.

        1. deluded

          … another chap above wants to ban foreign companies too.
          Ideally we should all revert to whitewashed clay houses with reed thatching and walk everywhere.

          1. Janet, I ate my avatar

            mine too, I will as still ignorant to the existence of xenophobic hypocritical BS

          2. deluded

            They were better days.
            I had more hair, and most of my teeth, for instance, and everyone was the better for looking at me (I had a bicycle though).
            It’s hard to say where foreign should stop, where do you draw the line when most immigrants here are invisible to us until we hear their accent and who control most of our GDP?
            Quibbling over the underpaid and powerless seems bizarre, perverse even.

    3. class wario

      All you types constantly hold Ireland and Irish people out as being inherently better than other countries and people and in the same breath say we shouldn’t have a higher standard when it comes to various social issues because some other countries don’t bother either. Bizarre.

  2. colm

    Can I ask a question in hopefully a not JAQ-ing way?;
    How do non-EU people come into Ireland at the moment? I assume some are:
    – Student visas
    – Sponsored by employers
    – is there an ‘exceptional skills’ program?
    – claim asylum when they land and are now in Direct Provision
    – trafficked in sex or drugs-growing industry
    – people fleeing warzones or persecution via a UN program (a tiny number isn’t it?)
    For the rest, your average Brazilian or Pakistani or South African or Nigerian, what is their immigration method now and what was it during the early 2000s. All of them came through Immigration so what did they say when they came in?

    Or is it that they mostly came in through EU as EU citizens.

    Not a leading question, just genuinely wondering because there’s all this talk of freeloaders etc but my impression was that it was actually hard enough to get in and the numbers are small. Certainly relative to workforce if not relative to available housing. Like, if we ‘tighten up’ what is it we are tightening up on?
    Direct provision? presumably doesn’t impact the housing market given that they are housed in awful car parks mostly. (although the way DUblin’s rental market is going, it’s getting less relatively awful by the week)
    Student visas?
    Doing the right thing by people fleeing for their lives? Apart from those who are PTSD and need mental health assistance, these people are often so grateful to their host country they can end up being serious economic net contributors
    Or is there some other big entry-method?

    1. Qwerty123

      For the countries mentioned, generally tourist visa and never leave, we are not in Schengen so coming from other EU countries would not be an issue.
      Rest, a large portion would be “students” in these dodgy English language schools and never return.

      There was a lot of sham marriages also, especially involving men from Pakistan and eastern Europeans.

    2. Rob_G

      For Brazilians (and probably for lots of other nationalities as well, but Brazilians are the only group I can claim any insight) normally it is on a student visa to learn English. Attending language classes for x hours per week entitles you to work the rest of the week. The majority leave when their visa runs out; some do not…

        1. Rob_G

          Sure, maybe. But it’s actually really difficult and expensive to sponsor a non-EU citizen to for a work visa in Ireland, so I’m doubtful that this is case for the many Brazilians one sees working in the service industries in Ireland.

          1. SOQ

            Big influx from the Ukraine these days I hear, hard to believe they all have work visas.

            Still, they’ll probably put up with working conditions no Irish person would, especially if they are illegal.

  3. Dan

    Terrible debate. Maria Walsh comes across as thick, petsonasing everything, talking ovrr everyone.
    Awful person

      1. missred

        Petsonase – the new condiment made of unwanted pets. Throw a bitta Alsatian blend on me chips, there now

  4. newsjustin

    The big issue here is not immigration.

    It is how David is trying to self-start a “I went viral with my funny faces” campaign.


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