Sarah Doherty tweetz:
“Last night, five XR [Extinction Rebellion] Ireland activists locked themselves to the gates of the Dail, resulting in their arrests. Twenty TDs were stuck inside until the early hours of the morning.
These activists had three demands:
– that the government enact the Climate Emergency Measures bill
– that the Shannon LNG project is ended
– that the government enact the recommendations of the Citizens Assembly on Climate ChangeThese people ranged from students to pensioners, and came from all over the country.
They were surrounded by friends, music, and love throughout 💚”
Extinction Rebellion protesters arrested after chaining themselves to Dáil (The Irish Times)
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Is the green love heart a thing lads
No, and we’ve got to do everything in our power to keep it that way.
I think the #climatechange emoji du jour is a little plant icon? as in #plantbased?
First picture looks as if the most epic viral flash-mob choral video of the year is about to drop.
as anyone who’s ever been to flannery’s knows, gardai cannot dance
True
applies to irish men, in general, actually
ah I dunno
The rare one does have moves
A bit unfair to generalise
it’s hard to dance when you are bottomless
bottomless as in boney-arsed? or bottomless as in no-pants, mickey swinging?
boney arsed! you have a good memory Sir
you dont HAVE to call me Sir, J
Do I have to choose?
More into bebop…
bebop
bebop
delighted to see you back, by the way, nigel
Thanks, Brother B.
So let me get this straight, 5 numpties dressed up and chain to a outdoor gate prevented people inside Dail Eireann to leave? Okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkay,
They were conrered in the toilets by the Dail Rat.
Well done Jeff. Have a nice lollipop for your efforts.
Well thank you, im still amazed as this type of “news”
Good on them!
+2019
What do we want? “Carbons taxes for plebs”
What do we not care about? “carbon credits for China and India that nullify any effect our carbon taxes in the West will ever have”.
What do we want? “Completely dishonest starw-man lies about what we want!”
What do we not care about? “Completely dishonest straw-man lies about what we want!”
Do you really not care about that? “Well, they all tend to blur together after a while.”
Aren’t you typing that on a computer that uses energy? “Oh my God you’re right! You’ve proved climate change is a hoax!”
If you’ll excuse me I’ll now go prove black is white and get eaten by tsetse flies. “Truly you are the real environmentalist!”
What are you banging on about?
How does a system that taxes people in some countries who are already making efforts to reduce their carbon emissions whilst simultaneously allowing the largest carbon polluters away with continuing to do what they’ve always done, do anything to change anything in any way?
How you got on to climate change denial is anyone’s guess.
You simply can’t expect anything to change when India and China can buy their way out of have to reduce their use of fossil fuels.
This isn’t a strawman argument, this is fact. If you want to Bury your head in the sand and refuse to accept that, that’s on you. Indulge in as much cognitive dissonance as you wish.
I’m sorry you don’t apreciate sarcasm.
The irony of those arrested being driven away.
Did they not plead for a backer to the station on a bike?
ironic in the alanis morissette sense only
Only one exit for TDs ?
No, there are others. but you don’t want to advertise that or the protesters will block all the exits.
What, use a side exit like some sort of animal? TDs are the real endangered species.
Climate has been changing for 4.5 billion years.
Getting upset about it now is just self-serving attention seeking.
here it is! i found it. the absolute worst take on climate change on the internet. ive seen a lot but this one is perfectly dumb, it shows no understanding of anything and manages to do so in a mere two sentences.
If they actually wanted to make a real, immediate and positive impact they’d “demand” something like that Moneypoint close sooner than 2025 and we stop burning peat for electricity today.
Instead, the first two demands are show-offy but ultimately not effective in reducing ghg emissions and the 3rd demand is so vague to be utterly useless.
Environmentalists have been demanding that for a while, along with a long, long list of other things they ‘could be doing’ that they actually have been doing.
We’re all going to die!
Context… some of the nonsense spewed by Extinction Rebellion…
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97% of the people on the planet will be dead in a few decades… say Extinction Rebellion founders.
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Extinction Rebellion claimed…
“billions will die”
“millions of children will die”
….”in the next 10 to 20 years”
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Andrew Neil spoke with an Extinction Rebellion spokesperson about their scaremongering tactics that have left children crying at their protests because they think they’ll never see adulthood.
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Andrew Neil: “To reach your target aviation would come to an end”
Extinction Rebellion spokesperson: “Possibly”.
The spokesperson goes further on that.
… there’s a lot of ‘fake news’ to this crowd
My reason for posting their nonsense is that I believe there are better campaigning methods than “scaremongering” (which the spokesperson admitted they were doing) such as the approach recommended by Michael Taft last week in taking a “can do” approach to making a positive change. And he’s right.
O.M.G. more that 150,000 people will die in the next 24 hours!!!
No. People have been campaigning, informing, begging, pleading for decades about this and a host of other environmental issues, and, indeed making all sorts of positive changes wherever they can. Finally a movement arises that brings real attention to these issues, and now suddenly they’re ‘doing it wrong.’ Yes, that stuff you quoted is overstating things, but if you go to scientific sources, such as the recent UN report on the oceans, it’s too close to reality for comfort. Set this one spokesperson on a TV show against yeras and years of the oil inustry deliberately fundung climate change denialism, the murders of environmental activists all over the world, the astonishingly bad response by our own government, and your concerns are as wimpy as they are useless. Maybe listen to the people who’ve been at the coalface of this (as it were) for decades before lecturing them on what does and doesn’t work.
Eh…. no Nigel. Watch the Andrew Neil interview with the spokesperson.
Also, my point, as I made perfectly clear is that I do not believe the “exaggerate” tactic, which the spokesperson admits to doing, yet purports is backed by science, is the wrong approach, and will not convince those who are indifferent.
In short, you don’t convince people by openly telling them lies, admitting they are lies, and yet then insisting the lies are backed by science.
Again, I say ‘no’ to their fake news.
^im aware of the typo in that. Hope the point is still understood, ta.
You are condoning the tactic of fighting a lie with another lie.
Get a grip!!!!
Yes and people have been making wild claims for decades- none or little of which has happened. There is a hysterical bang of this ‘the end is nigh’ stuff- I agree with clamps- which worries me.
*hugs* :)
Nigel, you’re not making any reasonable points on this topic at all. “fair play to XR they’re doing great things” is just a ridiculous stance to take.
I’m glad you’re standing up for honesty but it’s a bit weird after decades of corporate and government denialism and dismissal and downplaying you suddenly find this particular form of exaggeration so objectionable. I’d certainly prefer if people were more concise and careful about their predictions and have done their homework when they go on TV but I have no control over that. All I know is that they are right that this is an impending crisis and governments need to be taking it seriously and so does everybody else.
“it’s a bit weird after decades of corporate and government denialism and dismissal and downplaying you suddenly find this particular form of exaggeration so objectionable. ”
You make too many assumptions about others and what they find objectionable in order to justify your position of backing a lie to fight a lie.
Stop making assumptions. Stop backing lies regardless of the lies told by opposition as you only lower yourself to theirs.
Demand truth, always, especially from those you wish to get behind, it’s that simple.
The spokesperson did do their homework. They then claimed that the admitted “scaremongering” is backed by science.
They’re just telling lies, openly. Openly talking pure unadulterated claptrap.
“People have been campaigning for decades.. ”
https://youtu.be/ei-_SXLMMfo
No need to go all with Oil Industry, Google was also at it!
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/11/google-contributions-climate-change-deniers
I’m not making assumptions, I’m gong by your comments. I’m not backing lies, I just don’t think one interview invalidates decades of research or is somehow equivalent to decades of lies.
As for Andrew Neil, if he thinks people are poorly informed about clmate change, perhaps he should ask some questions about the role of the BBC and the media in that regard.
“Fair play to XR they’re doing great things” is the only reasonable stance to take, even if some of their claims are open to correction.
Tie yourself in knots there Ted.
I mean, unless you actually think the effects of climate change are nothing to be scared of, it’s not reall ‘scaremongering’ is it?
We’re all going to die!
Nah, not real scaremongering.
Oh wait, I exaggerated, they said…
97% are going to die!
Nah, not real scaremongering at all, says Nigel
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
“Maybe listen to the people who’ve been at the coalface of this (as it were) for decades before lecturing them on what does and doesn’t work.”
If what they were doing, which the likes of ER are doing now, worked then they wouldn’t have been doing it for decades Nige. A delusion doesn’t become true if you labour under it for long enough.
What delusion? That clean air, clean water, biodiversity and a stabe climate are good things?
The delusion that scaremongering works to change attitudes of those indifferent to the issues.
Here, let me say it as simply as possible.
It doesn’t work.
So, what, nobody, is going to die, or has already died, as a result of climate change and biodiversity loss and plastic pollution and a host of other environmental problems?
Let mes start you off with one particular set of fatalities to contextualise your trenchant response to that one interview and some possibly exaggerated claims:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2017/07/environmentalists-protestors-killed-violence-global-witness-report/
Do you think your cringeworthy efforts at sarcasm are the type of positive “can do” approach you tell others to take?
Em… I’m not being sarcastic, for starters.
And secondly, no one said no one has died.
Asking your question, as you have done, to insinuate that that was said by the person you are arguing with is dishonest of you in your argumentation. An old tired tactic of yours pet, very old, and boring.
Well, I was being sarcastic…
I took it you were addressing the points I outlined that the ER founders made.
My mistake on the sarcasm bit, the rest still stands….
Do carry on, as you were, I’m sure.
If scaremongering doesn’t work, I guess environmental activists all over the world must be doing more than just scaremongering to finally bring these problems to world attention. Perhaps you caould also pass on this ‘scaremongering doesn’t work’ message to the people who responded to the car-sharing idea as if Eamon Ryan was personally threatening to shoot their kids and bring down civilisation or something. Thanks.
You claim scaremongering is used to affect all that? Bullpoo
So: people have died. People will die. The exact figures will always be speculative and unprovable until they’ve actually happened, but sonce we are in agreement that people have died and people will die, how is it not acceptable to say so? Is there any way to talk about past, present and future deaths that cannot be accused of scaremongering? Bearing in mind that human extinction is a definite possibility – what they’re exaggerating (I fervently hope it’s an exaggeration, anyway) is the timescale.
(So, uh, is your ‘we’re all going to die!’ refrain not sarcasm, then?)
No one said it was not acceptable…. where do u pull these thoughts out of, your poopy place?
To your 2nd question: Yes, one can talk about them, in a realistic non scaremongering, ie exaggerated, manner.
To the bit in brackets… that comment, ’twas already corrected.
One last thing before I take a break: is saying that dirty air, dirty water, diminishing biodiversity and an increasingly unstable climate are really, really bad things scaremongering? Because the message really is that these are very, very bad things and a lot of work needs to be done about them and I’m not sure how to get the message across without underlining that these are really, really bad things. That’s not even the argument, actually, the argument is that everybody already knows these are really really bad things so why aren’t we doing more about them? Like right now while we still can? That could be scaremongering, I don’t know. IT’S STILL TRUE.
To your first question, no. And no one said it was.
Talking about those things is possible without the “end of days” claptrap. That’s the point. You are responding to comments as if that were not my point. Why so disingenuous in your reading and responses would be a good one to ask yourself. Good lad.
Sorry, last last thing, just to illustrate: 4.2 million deaths every year attributed to air pollution 4.2 MILLION. If anything we consistently underplay the importance of environmental issues and the devestating consequences of environmental destruction.
https://www.who.int/airpollution/en/
Yep, those are real figs, unlike the ….97% of the world pop dead I. a few decades.
You see the difference there, you know, between 4.2m v 7b… yeah, I hope you can.
“populations in low-income cities are the most impacted” and those are from “low to middle income countries”.
Are you going to tell those poor countries to stop their industrialisation or what exactly is, say Extinction Rebellion and the like, planning to do to correct this issue while continuing an increase in the standard of living for these low and middle income countries?
( Quote from is also WHO – https://www.who.int/airpollution/data/cities-2016/en/ )
My point?
Rather than getting het up 8n exaggeration about how we’re all going to die, isn’t it better to look at the data and then discuss issues. This would be better than your attempt at “look 4.2m dead” and no attempt to look at data, don’t you think.
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May I ask, are you pro repatriation to poor countries by the industrialised countries, like Greta is?
And if so, how does one reconcile a poor country trying to industrialise and raise the standard of living for its people with such a practice? It would be a contradiction, surely.
You were the one trying to make a career out of parked cars. What happened?
Now
And I’m not a denier – well not a Trump level denier anyway
but these Young ‘wans are on a hiding to nothing with this we’re all going to be dead insert the latest doomsday prediction;
I’ve already told the teenager that there’s no point in me doing a will and leaving her anything if she’s going to be dead
Or for investing in her education
I might as well spend spend spend what I have on what time I’ve left
And if it turns out to be false
She can blame herself and her pals for being stuck with a penniless oul’wan
Who probably won’t even have a medical card or be in a position to fund incontinence nappies
So there
besides, in fairness to Neil, how he kept a straight face is a mystery to me, even at the introduction
Zion Lights
c’mon lads
+1
I love your approach to parenting :0)
You know the thing about always listening to advice
Especially when tis free Clamps?
Here;
Forget grounding, banning WiFi and phone privileges and cutting out pocket money bhoy
The best weapon to manage a teenager is the threat of being mortified by their parents
And be shameless about it
Like promising to wear nail varnish to a Parent Teacher meeting
Or singing John Denver songs when their pals are around
Cheering loudly from the sidelines
Kinda stuff
If it’s hard core kick up th _0le parenting – pretend they still believe in Santy
And never
NEVER
Underestimate the destructive capabilities of the Horror’mones
The flip of the switch on the kettle could see the release of a warning level colour coded storm that’ll pass over the gaff and leave ye dazed and confused
And don’t trust the aftermath either
I promise you
And it doesn’t feel like that now
But I promise you the day will come that you’ll wish ta’ jaysus that he could be a nine month old again
And don’t assume the smell of BO is your own
And Never give in and tidy up their room yourselves
Even if they have to go to school in a dirty uniform and crusty socks
Proper LOLs and great advice V :)
Define irony: a bunch of climate doomsday merchants blocking a couple of key traffic arteries in the city centre yesterday which meant anybody in a car or bus was forced to spend up to an hour extra shuffling around town in their diesel powered machines.
On the less ironic, but highly illustrative, side, cyclists just sailed through.
Sure there are thousands of cyclists traveling daily between Cork and Dublin.
If there were less cars and more cyclists in the city, they’d have an easier time of it, too. Or more trains and buses.. So: better public transport and cycling infrastructure would make everyone’s lives easier!
I’ve missed these epic arguments of a Friday. I saw the comment count skyrocket, and I knew. I already knew.
All is right with the world.
I’m buzzing with the adrenaline!
Yes I know it’s sad!
It does feel like old times :0)
You guys are my favourite odd couple, just so you know.
Should have left them there all night that might cool there heels .
In fairness, there have been TDs chained to the Dáil Bar for decades.
I wonder have clampers and Nigel ever met in real life? i d like to be a fly on the wall for that encounter.
Is there not a back door ?