we all know how they respected vulnerable children in their care,
why doesn’t Mary ?
Ted
There’s always one ⬆
Brother Barnabas
there were a lot more than one, ted
Janet, I ate my avatar
unfortunately there’s a lot of deluded Marys out there
ZeligIsJaded
Mary’s been in her dotage for years.
Rob_G
Indeed – she was no longer young she was after (or before) Róisín Ingle in the Independent magazine, and that’s 20 years’ ago.
kerryview
teaching manners with a leather or bata………
Rosette of Sirius
Fists, elbows, knees, boots and the slap of a hurl to the back of one 11 year old in my school. Put the poor kid in hospital. A traveler kid too. We all witnessed the retribution in the schoolyard the next day. The Brother in question was beaten and slashed by the kids father. He was out for 6 months but back he came with no adjustment to his behaviour. I moved schools not long after. Manners indeed.
Spaghetti Hoop
Indeed. I assume the Sisters are included in this analysis? They were violent fuppers. Their method of teaching ‘manners’ was brutal and dehumanising and they eroded any self-confidence the pupil had. I was taught (at home) to be respectful and discreet, but to stand up for myself and politely voice my opinions, question others and engage with people as an equal. Any girl who did that, like myself – so-called ‘answering back’ in the convent halls – got a savage beating, and/or ‘booked’ on the short path to suspension. I’m glad I learned my manners at home, in my neighbourhood and through self-study and not via those black-veiled demonist witches. Happy Halloween!
Shayna
Yikes! I was born in a convent in Stillorgan, the first gape of life was of a nun, my great aunt, Sister Bonaventure (nuns take an allocated name – she was Auntie Liz).
Ben Redmond
Good Manners are a good thing to teach regardless of who teaches/or who has taught them. If we reject civilized standards of behaviour because of hypocrisy by previous upholders of same, we are heading for a new civilization of barbarity.
Janet, I ate my avatar
obviously manners should be taught, but to suggest it was the glory days using the CB method is at best delusional but actually just insulting to those affected by the “manners” put on them under the CB “care”
Clampers Outside
I don’t see her suggesting there were glory days, only that manners were taught.
And while we’re in the anecdotal train, I know of way, way more who enjoyed their CB school days than did not.
Janet, I ate my avatar
why bring them into it, you could suggest previous generations had stricter upbringing, more emphasis on manners without dragging that shower into it
Janet, I ate my avatar
it’s a parents place to put manners on kids, not teachers,
they should arrive behaved and able to be taught
millie vanilly strikes again
+ a good million or so
Clampers Outside
That too, I couldn’t agree more with you there Janet! :)
scottser
i take your point about good manners.
bad manners were a decent ska band though.
I went to a Christian Brothers school and they were all grand, never saw anyone hit or abused… One of the lucky ones obviously.
Clampers Outside
One of the many, in fairness Bertie.
Brother Barnabas
for balance, I’ll say that I found it dour and miserable – and most of them were utter ladyparts (but can recall one very decent one). I wasn’t sexually abused but was regularly hit – in fairness to them, you could hit them back
but have friends who had very different experience in same school (which, incidentally, I suspect was also bodger’s old school)
scottser
so what do you put your phobia of touching and feet down to?
Bertie Theodore Alphege Blenkinsop
Courtown 1982.
Janet, I ate my avatar
cryptic, I need more
Bertie Theodore Alphege Blenkinsop
You’ll have to wait for my forthcoming autobiography, “Mallethead”.
millie vanilly strikes again
I eagerly anticipate my signed copy in the post.
Janet, I ate my avatar
you can use it as a foot stool
Bertie Theodore Alphege Blenkinsop
I had hoped to hand deliver yours.
Ben Redmond
@Janet above: You assert that “it’s a parents place to put manners on kids, not teachers,
they should arrive behaved and able to be taught.”
Unfortunately dysfunctional parents are not putting manners on their kids. They use television as a babysitter; they are abusing alcohol and sometimes drugs in front of the kids; they are neglecting to dress the kids properly for school. So the kids are learning the wrong manners from all this bad model of parenthood. If teachers are “in loco parentis”, the traditional way of looking at teachers, then the teachers’ first unwelcome task today is to try and replace some kids’ bad manners with civilized manners. After that knowledge, wisdom, reasoning, imagination and arithmetic may be successfully taught. I wish teachers today could give errant parents a good telling off, but a punch on the nose and choice swear words might often be an instant response.
Janet, I ate my avatar
it’s still not their job
Janet, I ate my avatar
kids in France need to be clean/ toilet trained to start school or they are sent home,
no basic manners, sent home,
no manners, no school, problem solved,
if errant parents are responsablised in this way you’d find them behaving enough to not be under the parents feet sharp enough
scottser
responsibalised. if that’s not a word it totally should be.
cos i’m bigly responsibalised.
Ben Redmond
The word, probably a neologism, is explained online here https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/responsibilize
So some French parents fail to responsibilize their young schoolgoing children and the children are sent home.
Who shall responsibilize the failed responsibilzers?
Janet, I ate my avatar
correct sorry that’s my franglais, I regularly get confused
Janet, I ate my avatar
Se responsabiliser
Janet, I ate my avatar
you let them live in their merde and put up with their kids instead of expecting others to do the job for them
Janet, I ate my avatar
you legally have to send your kids to school so if they are constantly sent in a neglected state or disturbing class because of issues at home, social welfare will step in and ask why
ReproBertie
The hardest job kids face today is learning good manners without seeing any – Fred Astaire.
we all know how they respected vulnerable children in their care,
why doesn’t Mary ?
There’s always one ⬆
there were a lot more than one, ted
unfortunately there’s a lot of deluded Marys out there
Mary’s been in her dotage for years.
Indeed – she was no longer young she was after (or before) Róisín Ingle in the Independent magazine, and that’s 20 years’ ago.
teaching manners with a leather or bata………
Fists, elbows, knees, boots and the slap of a hurl to the back of one 11 year old in my school. Put the poor kid in hospital. A traveler kid too. We all witnessed the retribution in the schoolyard the next day. The Brother in question was beaten and slashed by the kids father. He was out for 6 months but back he came with no adjustment to his behaviour. I moved schools not long after. Manners indeed.
Indeed. I assume the Sisters are included in this analysis? They were violent fuppers. Their method of teaching ‘manners’ was brutal and dehumanising and they eroded any self-confidence the pupil had. I was taught (at home) to be respectful and discreet, but to stand up for myself and politely voice my opinions, question others and engage with people as an equal. Any girl who did that, like myself – so-called ‘answering back’ in the convent halls – got a savage beating, and/or ‘booked’ on the short path to suspension. I’m glad I learned my manners at home, in my neighbourhood and through self-study and not via those black-veiled demonist witches. Happy Halloween!
Yikes! I was born in a convent in Stillorgan, the first gape of life was of a nun, my great aunt, Sister Bonaventure (nuns take an allocated name – she was Auntie Liz).
Good Manners are a good thing to teach regardless of who teaches/or who has taught them. If we reject civilized standards of behaviour because of hypocrisy by previous upholders of same, we are heading for a new civilization of barbarity.
obviously manners should be taught, but to suggest it was the glory days using the CB method is at best delusional but actually just insulting to those affected by the “manners” put on them under the CB “care”
I don’t see her suggesting there were glory days, only that manners were taught.
And while we’re in the anecdotal train, I know of way, way more who enjoyed their CB school days than did not.
why bring them into it, you could suggest previous generations had stricter upbringing, more emphasis on manners without dragging that shower into it
it’s a parents place to put manners on kids, not teachers,
they should arrive behaved and able to be taught
+ a good million or so
That too, I couldn’t agree more with you there Janet! :)
i take your point about good manners.
bad manners were a decent ska band though.
My company @ 1996? hired Bad Manners for the Xmas do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAfqguL88tA
(That I worked for)
I went to a Christian Brothers school and they were all grand, never saw anyone hit or abused… One of the lucky ones obviously.
One of the many, in fairness Bertie.
for balance, I’ll say that I found it dour and miserable – and most of them were utter ladyparts (but can recall one very decent one). I wasn’t sexually abused but was regularly hit – in fairness to them, you could hit them back
but have friends who had very different experience in same school (which, incidentally, I suspect was also bodger’s old school)
so what do you put your phobia of touching and feet down to?
Courtown 1982.
cryptic, I need more
You’ll have to wait for my forthcoming autobiography, “Mallethead”.
I eagerly anticipate my signed copy in the post.
you can use it as a foot stool
I had hoped to hand deliver yours.
@Janet above: You assert that “it’s a parents place to put manners on kids, not teachers,
they should arrive behaved and able to be taught.”
Unfortunately dysfunctional parents are not putting manners on their kids. They use television as a babysitter; they are abusing alcohol and sometimes drugs in front of the kids; they are neglecting to dress the kids properly for school. So the kids are learning the wrong manners from all this bad model of parenthood. If teachers are “in loco parentis”, the traditional way of looking at teachers, then the teachers’ first unwelcome task today is to try and replace some kids’ bad manners with civilized manners. After that knowledge, wisdom, reasoning, imagination and arithmetic may be successfully taught. I wish teachers today could give errant parents a good telling off, but a punch on the nose and choice swear words might often be an instant response.
it’s still not their job
kids in France need to be clean/ toilet trained to start school or they are sent home,
no basic manners, sent home,
no manners, no school, problem solved,
if errant parents are responsablised in this way you’d find them behaving enough to not be under the parents feet sharp enough
responsibalised. if that’s not a word it totally should be.
cos i’m bigly responsibalised.
The word, probably a neologism, is explained online here
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/responsibilize
So some French parents fail to responsibilize their young schoolgoing children and the children are sent home.
Who shall responsibilize the failed responsibilzers?
correct sorry that’s my franglais, I regularly get confused
Se responsabiliser
you let them live in their merde and put up with their kids instead of expecting others to do the job for them
you legally have to send your kids to school so if they are constantly sent in a neglected state or disturbing class because of issues at home, social welfare will step in and ask why
The hardest job kids face today is learning good manners without seeing any – Fred Astaire.