…both were elected by the party membership but using different methods…in the case of Corbyn it was a straight vote but with Varadkar it was weighted in favour of the elected members over general membership – a simple members vote would have seen Coveney elected since he got to highest ‘grassroots’ vote…I don’t know of any party which defers to the comment section of Broadsheet to elect it’s leader…
…hah…forgot about them…maybe that’s why they have two leaders…one for everybody in the audience…
MaryLou's ArmaLite
Varadkar was elected ya mong
GiggidyGoo
Hey Bodger, can we all use this word ‘mong’ now? MaryLouArmalite is a pretty nasty piece of work.
Spaghetti Hoop
“He that is without sin a Mong you, let him first cast a stone”.
mucker no. 238
ha!
Paulus
a stone…I thought we’d gone metric.
Bud Flanagan
So Magic Grandpa would negotiate a new Brexit deal from the EU but refuse to campaign for it in a 2nd referendum ?
Welcome to the deluded world of Jeremy Corbyn and why he’s losing the election.
..meanwhil,e after recently pulling out of a debate with Corbyn on Channel 4, Johnston has a disastrous performance on this evening’s BBC Question Time
See clip: https://twitter.com/RichardBurgon/status/1197985725934952448
“When a Conservative Prime Minister who feels he’s born to rule is outclassed and put in his place by the quiet, understated decency of a woman who cares about other people and hates the injustice in (British) society. “
f_lawless
It was so bad that no one from the Conservative Party was willing to be interviewed about it on camera later that evening on Newsnight. According to the presenter:
“Rather remarkably this evening there isn’t a single Conservative available for an interview with us here at Newsnight off the back of the Prime Minister’s performance. Every other party which had a leader participating has managed to field someone” https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1198027797333233666
some old queen
They were probably afraid of her hair- it has a habit of growling at people.
GiggidyGoo
What she said regarding the torys and Johnston is directly applicable to the irish torys and Varadkar too.
f_lawless
Was. thinking that myself – the neoliberal policies such as austerity, the lack of empathy with those suffering most as a consequence; even the language describing people from ethnic minorities
tomm
FG are centrist.
Bud Flanagan
And in the real world…
All three leaders given a hard time in the QT debate.
Swinson came off worst, Corbyn and Boris both got out their message despite some torrid questioning.
Will it make any difference ? Unlikely. Most of Britain was enjoying Friday night doing other things.
The reality is five points still separate the best Labour opinion poll and the worst Tory one conducted throughout the election so far and generally the Tories have maintained a healthy double digit lead.
Unless disaster strikes Boris will walk it.
The joy then will be reading the bleating of the Broadsheet Brexit ” experts ” as their posteriors are handed to them on a plate.
Never in the field of electoral conflict have so many of them been so wrong so often.
Oy vey.
f_lawless
“..Unlikely. Most of Britain was enjoying Friday night doing other things.”
Also in the real world internet streaming and social media are rather popular and #BBCQTDebate is currently at number 3 in top Twitter trends for the UK https://trends24.in/united-kingdom/
I’m curious as to why you’re so fanatical about the Tory party winning the UK elections.
Here’s my prediction – a certain poster will change their moniker if the result they seem so sure of doesn’t go as expected.
Bud Flanagan
Reality check – the people who will decide the outcome of general election are not the Tiwtter generation.
You make the classic error of someone who spends too long in the virtual world and not the real one.
Prepare to bleat.
So The Guardian’s use of opinion polls is ” just another tool to try and influence public opinion rather than reflect it ” ?
You’ll find this uncomfortable reading then Twitter fool.
Who’s the fool?
Final paragraph of the article you linked to:
‘Remember, too, that on the day before the general election in 2017 most pollsters were predicting a Conservative majority, in some cases of as many as 82 seats. In the event, the Tories failed to achieve a majority. Changes in vote share shown above are compared with the 2017 election result’
Not the best article to link to if you’re trying to make the case for the reliability of opinion polls I would have thought?
Daisy Chainsaw
“Kelly Hits 40”
She hits her boyfriends too, bragging about it in her memoir.
Cú Chulainn
All 40 of them..?
Clampers Outside
True dat
GiggidyGoo
https://www.thejournal.ie/rally-roscommon-holiday-home-4902260-Nov2019/
So, get your head around that. It would take just €1.5m, according to the Irish Wheelchair Association, to bring this respite centre up to standard. Instead they’re closing it. €1.5m is toilet paper money when you look at the ever, ever, ever increasing costs mounting up daily for, for example, the NCH. In fact, you’ll probably find that those costs are increasing by at least €1.5m every week. So why not €1.5m for people in wheelchairs?
Well, isn’t it a nice building on its own grounds?
Wouldn’t it make a lovely hotel with some investment?
Wouldn’t it make a great DP Centre?
As a particular newspaper’s sales pitch goes – ‘Before you make up your mind, open it’
Liam Deliverance
+1 Giggidy
some old queen
Everyone is beating down on Corybn about Brexit but I think it is a very interesting strategy. Brexit has torn the political establishment apart and is absolutely toxic- so by being neutral he is not alienating the 50% Leave which sandbags against Farage and forces the Tories own their mess.
People are sick of Brexit and whiter you agree with him or not, nationalisation of rail, water, broadband and a large house building program are all very popular. As a strategic planner, everything has worked so far because he successfully blocked the UK from crashing out of the EU.
He didn’t get where he is by accident so- time will tell.
…me…possibly…the Brits…think they might understand…they voted…
Bud Flanagan
Corbyn has ” successfully blocked the UK from crashing out of the EU. ” ?
What planet are you living on ?
Rebel Tory MPs have been doing the blocking.Most of them have now been deselected or retired.
Every single Tory candidate in this election has pledged to vote for the Boris.
By coming up with his ludicrous position of having no opinion on Brexit Corbyn has doomed his party to yet another electoral defeat.
scottser
Hey charger, it’s been a while. Shame you weren’t here while bj was lying to the queen, illegally prorogueing parliament, screwing the DUP and negotiating a worse deal than May’s. It was quite the hoot. But stick around, I’d say this election will throw up a few surprises..
Clampers Outside
Blocked? How so?
some old queen
He was the major player in forcing Johnson to go back and ask for an extension surely? I really wouldn’t like to be playing that boyo at chess.
some old queen
Of course the anti antisemitism spin has nothing to do with Corybn planning to ban future arms deals with Israel- zero connection.
some old queen
Can we have an edit function on Brave sometime soon please?
Anybody who has ever done presentations in front of a group of people will know that if it can go wrong- it usually does. But the hyped up Tesla Cybertruck showcase was a whole different level- starts about one minute in- scarlet for them.
“plunges”?
His net worth has increased by £6bn in the last 6 months. A “plunge” of £760m is a small blip.
martco
yeah I’d concur. I have no idea whats afoot but that presentation had that subtle smell of disingenuous manufactured dirge coming off of it….about as straight shooting as an episode of Made In Chelsea.
personally I believe anyone who invests in Musk deserves what’s coming to them. weirdos I can handle but for me he’s a nutjob. I wouldn’t buy so much as a pack of AA batteries off him.
How the fupp is Corbyn leader of a large political party?
How the fupp is unelected Varadkar taoiseach?
…both were elected by the party membership but using different methods…in the case of Corbyn it was a straight vote but with Varadkar it was weighted in favour of the elected members over general membership – a simple members vote would have seen Coveney elected since he got to highest ‘grassroots’ vote…I don’t know of any party which defers to the comment section of Broadsheet to elect it’s leader…
The Social Democrats?
…hah…forgot about them…maybe that’s why they have two leaders…one for everybody in the audience…
Varadkar was elected ya mong
Hey Bodger, can we all use this word ‘mong’ now? MaryLouArmalite is a pretty nasty piece of work.
“He that is without sin a Mong you, let him first cast a stone”.
ha!
a stone…I thought we’d gone metric.
So Magic Grandpa would negotiate a new Brexit deal from the EU but refuse to campaign for it in a 2nd referendum ?
Welcome to the deluded world of Jeremy Corbyn and why he’s losing the election.
…Bibi basking…
..meanwhil,e after recently pulling out of a debate with Corbyn on Channel 4, Johnston has a disastrous performance on this evening’s BBC Question Time
See clip: https://twitter.com/RichardBurgon/status/1197985725934952448
“When a Conservative Prime Minister who feels he’s born to rule is outclassed and put in his place by the quiet, understated decency of a woman who cares about other people and hates the injustice in (British) society. “
It was so bad that no one from the Conservative Party was willing to be interviewed about it on camera later that evening on Newsnight. According to the presenter:
“Rather remarkably this evening there isn’t a single Conservative available for an interview with us here at Newsnight off the back of the Prime Minister’s performance. Every other party which had a leader participating has managed to field someone”
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1198027797333233666
They were probably afraid of her hair- it has a habit of growling at people.
What she said regarding the torys and Johnston is directly applicable to the irish torys and Varadkar too.
Was. thinking that myself – the neoliberal policies such as austerity, the lack of empathy with those suffering most as a consequence; even the language describing people from ethnic minorities
FG are centrist.
And in the real world…
All three leaders given a hard time in the QT debate.
Swinson came off worst, Corbyn and Boris both got out their message despite some torrid questioning.
Will it make any difference ? Unlikely. Most of Britain was enjoying Friday night doing other things.
The reality is five points still separate the best Labour opinion poll and the worst Tory one conducted throughout the election so far and generally the Tories have maintained a healthy double digit lead.
Unless disaster strikes Boris will walk it.
The joy then will be reading the bleating of the Broadsheet Brexit ” experts ” as their posteriors are handed to them on a plate.
Never in the field of electoral conflict have so many of them been so wrong so often.
Oy vey.
“..Unlikely. Most of Britain was enjoying Friday night doing other things.”
Also in the real world internet streaming and social media are rather popular and #BBCQTDebate is currently at number 3 in top Twitter trends for the UK
https://trends24.in/united-kingdom/
I’m curious as to why you’re so fanatical about the Tory party winning the UK elections.
Here’s my prediction – a certain poster will change their moniker if the result they seem so sure of doesn’t go as expected.
Reality check – the people who will decide the outcome of general election are not the Tiwtter generation.
You make the classic error of someone who spends too long in the virtual world and not the real one.
Prepare to bleat.
Reality check – the reputation of opinion polls are in the gutter after getting it so wrong time and time again in recent years. Many are being used as just another tool to try and influence public opinion rather than reflect it
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/how-eu-referendum-pollsters-wrong-opinion-predict-close
So The Guardian’s use of opinion polls is ” just another tool to try and influence public opinion rather than reflect it ” ?
You’ll find this uncomfortable reading then Twitter fool.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/oct/31/uk-general-election-2019-poll-tracker
Who’s the fool?
Final paragraph of the article you linked to:
‘Remember, too, that on the day before the general election in 2017 most pollsters were predicting a Conservative majority, in some cases of as many as 82 seats. In the event, the Tories failed to achieve a majority. Changes in vote share shown above are compared with the 2017 election result’
Not the best article to link to if you’re trying to make the case for the reliability of opinion polls I would have thought?
“Kelly Hits 40”
She hits her boyfriends too, bragging about it in her memoir.
All 40 of them..?
True dat
https://www.thejournal.ie/rally-roscommon-holiday-home-4902260-Nov2019/
So, get your head around that. It would take just €1.5m, according to the Irish Wheelchair Association, to bring this respite centre up to standard. Instead they’re closing it. €1.5m is toilet paper money when you look at the ever, ever, ever increasing costs mounting up daily for, for example, the NCH. In fact, you’ll probably find that those costs are increasing by at least €1.5m every week. So why not €1.5m for people in wheelchairs?
Well, isn’t it a nice building on its own grounds?
Wouldn’t it make a lovely hotel with some investment?
Wouldn’t it make a great DP Centre?
As a particular newspaper’s sales pitch goes – ‘Before you make up your mind, open it’
+1 Giggidy
Everyone is beating down on Corybn about Brexit but I think it is a very interesting strategy. Brexit has torn the political establishment apart and is absolutely toxic- so by being neutral he is not alienating the 50% Leave which sandbags against Farage and forces the Tories own their mess.
People are sick of Brexit and whiter you agree with him or not, nationalisation of rail, water, broadband and a large house building program are all very popular. As a strategic planner, everything has worked so far because he successfully blocked the UK from crashing out of the EU.
He didn’t get where he is by accident so- time will tell.
…52% leave to 48% remain…quite conclusive really…
You have no idea what conclusive means.
…me…possibly…the Brits…think they might understand…they voted…
Corbyn has ” successfully blocked the UK from crashing out of the EU. ” ?
What planet are you living on ?
Rebel Tory MPs have been doing the blocking.Most of them have now been deselected or retired.
Every single Tory candidate in this election has pledged to vote for the Boris.
By coming up with his ludicrous position of having no opinion on Brexit Corbyn has doomed his party to yet another electoral defeat.
Hey charger, it’s been a while. Shame you weren’t here while bj was lying to the queen, illegally prorogueing parliament, screwing the DUP and negotiating a worse deal than May’s. It was quite the hoot. But stick around, I’d say this election will throw up a few surprises..
Blocked? How so?
He was the major player in forcing Johnson to go back and ask for an extension surely? I really wouldn’t like to be playing that boyo at chess.
Of course the anti antisemitism spin has nothing to do with Corybn planning to ban future arms deals with Israel- zero connection.
Can we have an edit function on Brave sometime soon please?
Marian is moving on. So there you go now.
Oh no. Where’d you read that? She skimmed over the headlines at lightening speed this morning.
Twitter having fun with Rachel Riley- this is actually very well done.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ5GK4tXUAE2Pdb.jpg:large
Anybody who has ever done presentations in front of a group of people will know that if it can go wrong- it usually does. But the hyped up Tesla Cybertruck showcase was a whole different level- starts about one minute in- scarlet for them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpVBApoycIw
Obviously planned. More publicity.
Yeah, because there’s no such thing as bad… oh, wait:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/nov/22/elon-musk-net-worth-tesla-cybertruck
“plunges”?
His net worth has increased by £6bn in the last 6 months. A “plunge” of £760m is a small blip.
yeah I’d concur. I have no idea whats afoot but that presentation had that subtle smell of disingenuous manufactured dirge coming off of it….about as straight shooting as an episode of Made In Chelsea.
personally I believe anyone who invests in Musk deserves what’s coming to them. weirdos I can handle but for me he’s a nutjob. I wouldn’t buy so much as a pack of AA batteries off him.
LOVE the roof tiles.
No wonder Coveney called down to support Verona. Her love of all things FG love is a perfect fit for her.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/murphys-business-partner-is-convicted-tax-dodger-38718666.html
Erroneous Murphy?
News from the front
The Greens
And Labour would ye believe
Have made serious gains in Dublin Fingal
FGG therefore have made serious losses?
FFG of course. Can’t be putting GG in