What’s On The Grill?

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Oh.

This afternoon.

Ely Place, Dublin 2.

Among a convoy of tractors which have converged on Dublin city centre carrying farmers protesting the EU-Mercosur free trade agreement and baiting vegans.

More as we get it.

Thanks Seán Doyle

Update:

This afternoon.

Merrion Street, Dublin 2.

Farmers and their families congregate near Government Buildings.

Clampers not outside.

Eamonn Farrell/Rollingnews

48 thoughts on “What’s On The Grill?

  1. NobleLocks

    Fair play to the Farmers finally standing up and telling the truth to counter the vegan rubbish.

    As soon as I heard the “lets all go Vegan, because we have to” drivel, I knew there was something badly wrong. Once the vegans are involved you know the ill-informed nonsense and outright lies are but a breath away.

    Fact: if we all went vegan tomorrow, the net personal reduction in carbon output is less than 2%. It is an irrelevance and we need to stop listening to these virtue-signalling gombeens.

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    1. newsjustin

      a) 50 x 2% is 100%. Every little helps.
      b) The poster on the tractor says a vegan burger uses more carbon than a beef burger might be true. But the real problem with beef (and dairy), as we know, is methane, not carbon dioxide.

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    2. Rob_G

      Q: how much soy, shipped across the world from South America, does it take to make a typical veggie burger?

      (“not that much”, is the answer)

      Q: how much soy, shipped across the world from South America, would a typical Irish cow consume during it’s lifetime?

      (“probably a fair bit”, is the answer)

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      1. Cian

        Q: how much soy makes up a typical veggie burger?
        Q: what is the rest of the veggie burger made from and what is it’s carbon footprint?

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          1. Cian

            I don’t understand your first question.
            and I dunno – I’d say a lot of animals are killed in the production of soy.

            A quick google shows: “A lot of animals are killed in all kinds of agriculture*. I’ll never forget the first time I saw a combine harvester go through an organic soybean field and kill all the animals that had made that field their home. Among the many animals that died that day were baby bunnies that were skinned by the blades and were then eaten alive by hawks. The hawks followed the harvester through the field looking for an easy meal. I knew that the farmer had contracted his crop to an organic tofu company and that most of the people eating this food would be vegans and vegetarians. The irony of this situation was enough to stop me from going vegan for many years afterwards. I would frequently bring up this anecdote when I would argue with vegan friends. It still annoys me when my fellow vegans act as though their lifestyle is 100% cruelty free and that no animals die in the process of making their food. It speaks to an ignorance of the realities of farming and rural life.”

            and a lot of animals are slaughtered when forests are cleared to create soy bean farms. But I don’t think that is what you meant. :-)

        1. dylad

          You can make a veggie burger out of carrot and beetroot. Also, the carbon footprint of feeding cattle, which produce methane, to then feed humans will always be larger than just growing arable crops and feeding humans directly.

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  2. postmanpat

    a:not true b: real vegans don’t even eat vegan burgers in the first place. zero burger equals 100% less carbon. vegetarians and vegans are also interested in animal welfare aside from carbon emissions. Farmers will probably say that the animal love being slaughtered or something.

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    1. Royal M

      “real vegans don’t even eat vegan burgers in the first place” – Why not? They’re vegan after all. They as in, the burgers, and the vegans I suppose

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      1. Pat

        Vegan ‘burgers’ and vegan ‘escalopes’ and vegan ‘steaks’ and all that are the Happy Meals of vegetarianism. Training wheels for people trying to not eat meat but afraid they’ll miss the feel of it. Real vegans and vegetarians eat vegetables and fruit and grains and things. Simple as that really

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      1. some old queen

        Not pig- the Irish Muslims believe pigs should not killed for food(I think)- unlike homosexualists who are fair game with the old halal.

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  3. Tea And Brexits

    White farmers protest about foreigners.

    What’s your future kid? Being over 65, unmarried and owner of an inefficent little farm give to you by your family kept on life support by the EU and our taxes.

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  4. Skeptik

    Farmers will produce what they are paid for.
    Stop subsidising beef production and subsidise crops instead, if we’re going to subsidise anything.
    I eat meat, but even I think this is a country of too many beef ranchers and there’s not enough diversity in the industry. The quality of veg here is terrible compared to what you get elsewhere.

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    1. curmudgeon

      Hpw about we stop subsidising them and let them go bust and buy back the land, so the people of Ireland don’t have to kowtow to this self-interested animal slaughtering landowning class.

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  5. seanydelight

    Well fupp them anyway, choking up the city at rush hour.
    Any sympathy lost.
    I also disagree with the CAP, though admit I have a limited understanding of it.

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    1. GiggidyGoo

      But the Gardai would have been out issuing all sorts of traffic offense fines surely?, And a couple of smacks, or throwing a few against bollards.?

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      1. some old queen

        Dame street Rambo became a gay icon in certain circles- also sand boxed until he married a nurse from slappers and they took on a 300k mortgage for somewhere lacking soundproof- I have no idea how I know this.

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  6. Zaccone

    Climate change public opinion is going to make state/EU subsidies to farmers political suicide within a few years. Then punitive taxes will be brought in on them. These are the death throes of an angry, declining industry.

    Plus, if climate change worries don’t kill off beef farming then lab grown meat certainly will. Nobody is going to choose to kill animals when theres a morally superior alternative, once the costs are similar. And costs for it are dropping rapidly.

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  7. Matt

    I do respect your right to protest.

    But when does it stop being protesting and start being illegal parking?

    I’ve just passed by, bunch of tractors in roads with signs in them… no farmers to be seen… are there any requirements for a protest to say that people should hold the signs, not abandoned vehicles?

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    1. Spaghetti Hoop

      I too support their concerns, but driving a hape of Masseys up to Kildare Street and causing traffic chaos in our already heaving city streets is just gnarly and unnecessary. That was so dangerous in town this evening.

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      1. Paulus

        Now that you mention Masseys…where are the “name that jammer” brigade. My guess is that tractors are outside the remit of Jackeens!

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  8. Ghost of Yep

    1.) While I totally understand and appreciate the concerns around animal welfare and climate change, is transferring lower quality product that will have nowhere near the standard of care for the animals, from a place thousands of miles away that actually has to deforest huge areas to grow production the answer?

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    1. Ghost of Yep

      2.) I understand that is a lot of sentence but this fupp the farmers attitude people have to farmers in this country seems really ignorant and shortsighted. It’s not just Irish farmers that are subsidized but agriculture across the continent and the position of “the more you have the more you get” (CAP) has and is causing a lot of the environmental issues people are against.

      Your food will still need to be grown and to my mind it is far better it grown on the island. What food and how much is certainly in need of discussion but pooing on people who feel they are fighting for their livelihood is so wrongheaded. Remember, when the arse fell out 10 years ago our agribusiness industry was one of the only things we had going in this country.

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