How much propaganda are we going to be subjected to today I wonder?
Cú Chulainn
Something that will not be in short supply I suspect..
GiggidyGoo
Might be a slow start, as Yougov have re calculated and Bud’s Tories majority has significantly dropped.
some old queen
And most importantly, tactical anti Tory voting on a scale never seen before- there is no way to model that.
Bud Flanagan
I’ve been predicting a 20-40 seat majority since the start but with so many constituencies with slim majorities it’s still a guessing game.
However the Tory lead has remained remarkably consistent and if the polls are wrong then all of them will have to be wrong for there to be a hung parliament.
And that’s unlikely.
GiggidyGoo
You reckon Boris will lead the Tories to an overall majority then?
Bud Flanagan
Yes.
Of between 20-40 seats.
Brother Barnabas
CHARGER ANSWERS DIRECT QUESTION WITH DIRECT ANSWER SHOCKER
Bud Flanagan
And you Brother ?
Where art thou on this question ?
Brother Barnabas
I think YES but I – of course – hope NO
I’d be very, very surprised at it being anything like 40. more like 10-20.
some old queen
The problem here is that a lot of people are voting with their hearts not their heads- and, a lot have conflicting emotions. I expect the undecideds are very high and won’t make their minds up until they are actually in the voting booths.
Meanwhile- UK ports ‘preparing to host EU customs checks’
“won’t make their minds up until they are actually in the voting booths”
these fools shouldn’t be allowed vote
Bud Flanagan
The person of colour in the woodpile of all this are the Lib Dems.
Their support has fallen off a cliff edge and gone back to Labour thanks to a cack-handed campaign by Swinson.
The key though is to what extend the Tories break through Labour’s Red Wall ‘oop North.
Must say I’m looking forward to pulling an overnighter tomorrow enormously.
Cú Chulainn
It is Swinson’s absolute arrogance and stupidity that forced this election to take place now. All she had to do was wait.
…the large mammal in the room seems to be the SNP…only Dominic Cummings seems to see them as a threat…Nicola Sturgeon has consistently been the best performer in the UK election…
Bud Flanagan
Interestingly Sturgeon, who is by far the best political leader of the current lot, has rowed back on the independence issue big time as it was hurting the SNP in the polls.
Remember, more people in Scotland voted to Leave than they did for the SNP at the last election.
I think the Tories will lose fewer seats in Scotland than most people originally thought but Labour will take a shellacking.
Rob_G
“The person of colour in the woodpile ”
– jeus wept…
Nigel
I think you mean ‘blbical messiah sheds copious tears.’ That way it’s not swearing.
…never mind the polls…the best indicator has to be the bookies…they are showing the tories to be home and hosed but at a remarkably generous 4/6 to gain an overall majority…they don’t share your assessment in Scotland…wipeout for the tories…
Bud Flanagan
Only one more sleep to find out.
I have drink and vittles organised.
…had given up on Brexit but a real chance the democratic wish of the UK electorate will be honoured…democracy should be embraced as an opportunity…mind those pesky banana skins Boris…
GiggidyGoo
Boris has landed a role in a remake of an old movie.
A Fridge Too Far
some old queen
Not reported was that he said- “hang on until I slip into something cooler”.
shayna
Marie from Roxette died last night aged 61 – RIP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCorJG9mubk I’m geting too old for this poopy! Everyone is dying, I’m barely getting over Bowie. Don’t get me started on Morrison. I had a conversation recently with an American guy from Wisconson, I quoted Kurt Vonnegut – Slaughter House 5, “My name is Jon Johnssonn, I live in Wisconson, I work in a lumber yard there, the people I meet when I walk down the street, they ask me my name, I say … ” Luckily, he was aware of post modern American literature and the fact that Johnny Depp lit the fuse on Hunter S. Thompson’s cannon that propelled his own ashes into Montana. I’m thinking of the, “Mostly widely read living poet in Ireland” – who would light his fuse? I’m guessing not Michael O’Leary?
millie vanilly strikes again
I will never forget Bowie. I came downstairs, heard the news and then cried for a good fifteen minutes. He was and is my first and last musical love.
RIP Marie from Roxette
Brother Barnabas
what horrors will befall the st meadowlark household when the ferry man catches up with De Burgh?
millie vanilly strikes again
There will be wailing and weeping, maybe even some gnashing of teeth, mostly to annoy you, dear brother.
Brother Barnabas
if you were to wake one morning, draw open your drapes to see me clubbing the life out of the toxic little badger de burgh in your back garden… would that make it better or worse?
millie vanilly strikes again
Infinitely better
Cian
“clubbing the life out of the toxic little badger de burgh”
Is this a euphemism for onanism?
Bertie Theodore Alphege Blenkinsop
I loved Bowie too, still do but the musician’s death that hit me hardest (sounds weird even saying it as I never met him) was George Michael.
There always just seemed to be a sadness to his life.
I remember the tears rolling down my face when I heard the news, and I don’t even cry at DIY SOS.
Brother Barnabas
Cobain’s death saddened me most
scottser
joe strummer for me.
Bud Flanagan
Maggie Thatcher for me.
What a woman.
Bertie Theodore Alphege Blenkinsop
Truly the scumbag’s scumbag.
Bud Flanagan
A marvellous woman.
Transformed the British economy, spaffed off Scargill and the Argies, closed down the pits and saw through Haughey as the criminal he was when most Irish people had a picture of him up on the mantlepiece alongside one of Jesus.
Did more than any other politician to ensure Britain’s role as the 5th largest economy in the world.
Her only fault was hanging around for too long but I’ll forgive her that.
Brother Barnabas
utterly eviscerating any sense of community in britain would be a close second
scottser
yeah, her early stuff wasn’t bad but after she started doing cover versions of milton friedman i lost interest.
Otis Blue
So it goes…
Cian
@Bodger the front page is crazy again on Android Opera mobile.
some old queen
Use Brave- only downside I found is no edit function.
Cian
It’s working now. Perhaps it’s my phone?
some old queen
Technical Support abbreviation no.1 perhaps?
PEBCAK – Problem Exists Between Chair and Keyboard.
Cian
possibly – but the only action I took was clicking a shortcut… so I don’t think it was a meatware issue.
Brother Barnabas
“a meatware issue”
that’s the euphemism you were looking fo, cian
GiggidyGoo
My, D4bes really grasping at straws. Next thing she will be telling us is that Director Generals are in high demand. And Paschal Donohue raids the Social Welfare coffers to keep the pay levels up for RTE so called ‘stars’.
Wibble
If these RTE ‘stars’ are in such high demand then how come the whole place has just been bailed out by the Dole?
GiggidyGoo
Just shows the distain Paschal Donohue holds. €24 million he tries to hide (embarrassment money?) as ‘consultancy’ when in fact its settlement money for another FFG fiasco.
Cian
What happened the €316 million in collected tax? Was that refunded to the airlines too?
GiggidyGoo
Nothing to do with my point of him trying to hide this payment. Next diversion attempt please.
Cian
it wasn’t a diversion – it was a proper question. Will there be a refund of €316 million to the airlines out of this year’s tax take? Is that being hidden too.
GiggidyGoo
A question you should pose when someone questions/comments on something that refers directly to what you want to divert to.
As if is, it’s a diversion from my comment.
garrett
€50 million to RTE over the next 5 years from Social Welfare budget.
No reporting of this on RTE new site
No reporting of Kevin Myer’s deserved payout because RTE had to hand him a ton of taxpayers money after fighting him in court for 2 years.
Dee Forbes reckons all of the below are worth every cent:
Ryan Tubridy (€495,000)
Ray D’Arcy (€400,000)
Joe Duffy (€389,988)
Miriam O’Callaghan (€299,000)
Marian Finucane (€295,000)
Sean O’Rourke (€290,113)
Claire Byrne (€201,500)
Nicky Byrne (€200, 583)
Bryan Dobson (€195,913)
Darragh Maloney (€188,803)
Let them go, and replace them with cheaper alternatives.
Most are contract anyway,
So just pull that waxing strip Girls
Grit … suck in …. and
there there now, all nice and tidy for ye
Bud Flanagan
Yet those northern communities supposedly eviscerated by Maggie now look to be the ones putting Boris back into power.
Ironic, no ?
Fact is she ended a moribund system of industrial relations that was holding back Britain’s economic development and what she replaced it with was happily embraced by Tony Blair for three electoral victories.
The fact she closed down pits and stopped men having to hack out coal deep undrgound like Dickensian slaves was an added bonus.
Britain’s economic wealth was enhanced by her deregulation of the City of London financial markets and the fact it is the world’s leading financial centre today is solely down to her Big Bang.
It’s Corbyn’s desire to return Britain to the dark ages of the 1970s why he’s going to lose an election which by rights Labour should be storming.
Brother Barnabas
“It’s Corbyn’s desire to return Britain to the dark ages of the 1970s”
wouldn’t necessarily agree that 1970s britain was based on egalitarianism and fairness but… i wasn’t there, you were
Bud Flanagan
If you weren’t there on what do you base your views of 1970’s Britain ?
Unless,like me,you read history.
Or perhaps like Dom Cummings you got a First in Ancient and Modern History from Oxford .
Was that where you had your tiff … ?
Brother Barnabas
seeing as you ask, charger, it was outside the George IV, a little way down portugal st if i remember correctly
feel free to ask him – he’ll remember
you wouldn’t have to read much history to know that 1970s british society wasn’t all that equal or fair – damage was done by heath, who quite despicably managed to undo much of wilson’s good work, and finished by thatcher, unfortunate that minority labour governments couldn’t reverse things
Spaghetti Hoop
Thatcher didn’t close the mines out of sympathy for the men’s arduous work.
Bud Flanagan
You’re right.
She closed them because they were losing money thanks to cheap coal imports from countries with lower costs and wages.
The fact that Britain was also getting cheaper energy from North Sea oil and gas was factored in too.
She was also ahead of her time in working out that digging fossils fuels out of the ground had no sustainable future.
Labour would have done exactly the same if they hadn’t been in the pocket of the unions.
Nigel
Uh, this.. is bad, right? Enshrining Judaism as a race or nationality can’t be good, can it? Even aside from doing it to shut down criticism of Israel.
WASHINGTON — President Trump plans to sign an executive order on Wednesday targeting what he sees as anti-Semitism on college campuses by threatening to withhold federal money from educational institutions that fail to combat discrimination, three administration officials said on Tuesday.
The order will effectively interpret Judaism as a race or nationality, not just a religion, to prompt a federal law penalizing colleges and universities deemed to be shirking their responsibility to foster an open climate for minority students. In recent years, the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions — or B.D.S. — movement against Israel has roiled some campuses, leaving some Jewish students feeling unwelcome or attacked.
Was Madeline McCann to only child to ever die?
edgy
Which paper will be first with “Nuns on the Run”?
Nun Sense.
Dirty habit..
Nun The Worse Off?
How much propaganda are we going to be subjected to today I wonder?
Something that will not be in short supply I suspect..
Might be a slow start, as Yougov have re calculated and Bud’s Tories majority has significantly dropped.
And most importantly, tactical anti Tory voting on a scale never seen before- there is no way to model that.
I’ve been predicting a 20-40 seat majority since the start but with so many constituencies with slim majorities it’s still a guessing game.
However the Tory lead has remained remarkably consistent and if the polls are wrong then all of them will have to be wrong for there to be a hung parliament.
And that’s unlikely.
You reckon Boris will lead the Tories to an overall majority then?
Yes.
Of between 20-40 seats.
CHARGER ANSWERS DIRECT QUESTION WITH DIRECT ANSWER SHOCKER
And you Brother ?
Where art thou on this question ?
I think YES but I – of course – hope NO
I’d be very, very surprised at it being anything like 40. more like 10-20.
The problem here is that a lot of people are voting with their hearts not their heads- and, a lot have conflicting emotions. I expect the undecideds are very high and won’t make their minds up until they are actually in the voting booths.
Meanwhile- UK ports ‘preparing to host EU customs checks’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50733840
“won’t make their minds up until they are actually in the voting booths”
these fools shouldn’t be allowed vote
The person of colour in the woodpile of all this are the Lib Dems.
Their support has fallen off a cliff edge and gone back to Labour thanks to a cack-handed campaign by Swinson.
The key though is to what extend the Tories break through Labour’s Red Wall ‘oop North.
Must say I’m looking forward to pulling an overnighter tomorrow enormously.
It is Swinson’s absolute arrogance and stupidity that forced this election to take place now. All she had to do was wait.
…the large mammal in the room seems to be the SNP…only Dominic Cummings seems to see them as a threat…Nicola Sturgeon has consistently been the best performer in the UK election…
Interestingly Sturgeon, who is by far the best political leader of the current lot, has rowed back on the independence issue big time as it was hurting the SNP in the polls.
Remember, more people in Scotland voted to Leave than they did for the SNP at the last election.
I think the Tories will lose fewer seats in Scotland than most people originally thought but Labour will take a shellacking.
“The person of colour in the woodpile ”
– jeus wept…
I think you mean ‘blbical messiah sheds copious tears.’ That way it’s not swearing.
…never mind the polls…the best indicator has to be the bookies…they are showing the tories to be home and hosed but at a remarkably generous 4/6 to gain an overall majority…they don’t share your assessment in Scotland…wipeout for the tories…
Only one more sleep to find out.
I have drink and vittles organised.
…had given up on Brexit but a real chance the democratic wish of the UK electorate will be honoured…democracy should be embraced as an opportunity…mind those pesky banana skins Boris…
Boris has landed a role in a remake of an old movie.
A Fridge Too Far
Not reported was that he said- “hang on until I slip into something cooler”.
Marie from Roxette died last night aged 61 – RIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCorJG9mubk I’m geting too old for this poopy! Everyone is dying, I’m barely getting over Bowie. Don’t get me started on Morrison. I had a conversation recently with an American guy from Wisconson, I quoted Kurt Vonnegut – Slaughter House 5, “My name is Jon Johnssonn, I live in Wisconson, I work in a lumber yard there, the people I meet when I walk down the street, they ask me my name, I say … ” Luckily, he was aware of post modern American literature and the fact that Johnny Depp lit the fuse on Hunter S. Thompson’s cannon that propelled his own ashes into Montana. I’m thinking of the, “Mostly widely read living poet in Ireland” – who would light his fuse? I’m guessing not Michael O’Leary?
I will never forget Bowie. I came downstairs, heard the news and then cried for a good fifteen minutes. He was and is my first and last musical love.
RIP Marie from Roxette
what horrors will befall the st meadowlark household when the ferry man catches up with De Burgh?
There will be wailing and weeping, maybe even some gnashing of teeth, mostly to annoy you, dear brother.
if you were to wake one morning, draw open your drapes to see me clubbing the life out of the toxic little badger de burgh in your back garden… would that make it better or worse?
Infinitely better
“clubbing the life out of the toxic little badger de burgh”
Is this a euphemism for onanism?
I loved Bowie too, still do but the musician’s death that hit me hardest (sounds weird even saying it as I never met him) was George Michael.
There always just seemed to be a sadness to his life.
I remember the tears rolling down my face when I heard the news, and I don’t even cry at DIY SOS.
Cobain’s death saddened me most
joe strummer for me.
Maggie Thatcher for me.
What a woman.
Truly the scumbag’s scumbag.
A marvellous woman.
Transformed the British economy, spaffed off Scargill and the Argies, closed down the pits and saw through Haughey as the criminal he was when most Irish people had a picture of him up on the mantlepiece alongside one of Jesus.
Did more than any other politician to ensure Britain’s role as the 5th largest economy in the world.
Her only fault was hanging around for too long but I’ll forgive her that.
utterly eviscerating any sense of community in britain would be a close second
yeah, her early stuff wasn’t bad but after she started doing cover versions of milton friedman i lost interest.
So it goes…
@Bodger the front page is crazy again on Android Opera mobile.
Use Brave- only downside I found is no edit function.
It’s working now. Perhaps it’s my phone?
Technical Support abbreviation no.1 perhaps?
PEBCAK – Problem Exists Between Chair and Keyboard.
possibly – but the only action I took was clicking a shortcut… so I don’t think it was a meatware issue.
“a meatware issue”
that’s the euphemism you were looking fo, cian
My, D4bes really grasping at straws. Next thing she will be telling us is that Director Generals are in high demand. And Paschal Donohue raids the Social Welfare coffers to keep the pay levels up for RTE so called ‘stars’.
If these RTE ‘stars’ are in such high demand then how come the whole place has just been bailed out by the Dole?
Just shows the distain Paschal Donohue holds. €24 million he tries to hide (embarrassment money?) as ‘consultancy’ when in fact its settlement money for another FFG fiasco.
What happened the €316 million in collected tax? Was that refunded to the airlines too?
Nothing to do with my point of him trying to hide this payment. Next diversion attempt please.
it wasn’t a diversion – it was a proper question. Will there be a refund of €316 million to the airlines out of this year’s tax take? Is that being hidden too.
A question you should pose when someone questions/comments on something that refers directly to what you want to divert to.
As if is, it’s a diversion from my comment.
€50 million to RTE over the next 5 years from Social Welfare budget.
No reporting of this on RTE new site
No reporting of Kevin Myer’s deserved payout because RTE had to hand him a ton of taxpayers money after fighting him in court for 2 years.
Dee Forbes reckons all of the below are worth every cent:
Ryan Tubridy (€495,000)
Ray D’Arcy (€400,000)
Joe Duffy (€389,988)
Miriam O’Callaghan (€299,000)
Marian Finucane (€295,000)
Sean O’Rourke (€290,113)
Claire Byrne (€201,500)
Nicky Byrne (€200, 583)
Bryan Dobson (€195,913)
Darragh Maloney (€188,803)
This Country really is a cesspit
How the flip
is Nicky Byrne paid more than Daragh Moloney
The only name there worth his wages is Daragh
and the most likely to be headhunted
That Roster is just bottomways
Has Daragh any political connections though?
Can anyone recall an instance where ‘talent’ quit RTÉ for higher pay elsewhere?
Very easy decision here Dee,
and Doh
Let them go, and replace them with cheaper alternatives.
Most are contract anyway,
So just pull that waxing strip Girls
Grit … suck in …. and
there there now, all nice and tidy for ye
Yet those northern communities supposedly eviscerated by Maggie now look to be the ones putting Boris back into power.
Ironic, no ?
Fact is she ended a moribund system of industrial relations that was holding back Britain’s economic development and what she replaced it with was happily embraced by Tony Blair for three electoral victories.
The fact she closed down pits and stopped men having to hack out coal deep undrgound like Dickensian slaves was an added bonus.
Britain’s economic wealth was enhanced by her deregulation of the City of London financial markets and the fact it is the world’s leading financial centre today is solely down to her Big Bang.
It’s Corbyn’s desire to return Britain to the dark ages of the 1970s why he’s going to lose an election which by rights Labour should be storming.
“It’s Corbyn’s desire to return Britain to the dark ages of the 1970s”
wouldn’t necessarily agree that 1970s britain was based on egalitarianism and fairness but… i wasn’t there, you were
If you weren’t there on what do you base your views of 1970’s Britain ?
Unless,like me,you read history.
Or perhaps like Dom Cummings you got a First in Ancient and Modern History from Oxford .
Was that where you had your tiff … ?
seeing as you ask, charger, it was outside the George IV, a little way down portugal st if i remember correctly
feel free to ask him – he’ll remember
you wouldn’t have to read much history to know that 1970s british society wasn’t all that equal or fair – damage was done by heath, who quite despicably managed to undo much of wilson’s good work, and finished by thatcher, unfortunate that minority labour governments couldn’t reverse things
Thatcher didn’t close the mines out of sympathy for the men’s arduous work.
You’re right.
She closed them because they were losing money thanks to cheap coal imports from countries with lower costs and wages.
The fact that Britain was also getting cheaper energy from North Sea oil and gas was factored in too.
She was also ahead of her time in working out that digging fossils fuels out of the ground had no sustainable future.
Labour would have done exactly the same if they hadn’t been in the pocket of the unions.
Uh, this.. is bad, right? Enshrining Judaism as a race or nationality can’t be good, can it? Even aside from doing it to shut down criticism of Israel.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/10/us/politics/trump-antisemitism-executive-order.html?smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur
WASHINGTON — President Trump plans to sign an executive order on Wednesday targeting what he sees as anti-Semitism on college campuses by threatening to withhold federal money from educational institutions that fail to combat discrimination, three administration officials said on Tuesday.
The order will effectively interpret Judaism as a race or nationality, not just a religion, to prompt a federal law penalizing colleges and universities deemed to be shirking their responsibility to foster an open climate for minority students. In recent years, the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions — or B.D.S. — movement against Israel has roiled some campuses, leaving some Jewish students feeling unwelcome or attacked.