Kildare Street, Dublin 2.

The man who made a Nazi Salute at a protest in Barrow Street last August (top) turned up on Saturday at the opposing rallies for peace and free speech respectively.

Saturday: Free Speech Comes Dropping Slow

Previously: Roll Out The Barrow

Hunting A Nazi Barrow Boy

Nazi Boy: I’m The Real Thing

212 thoughts on “Dummkopf

  1. Daisy Chainsaw

    The anti hate speech dregs prefer their nazism a little more subtle than this guy’s full on brand. It’s bad for business for nazis to go full nazi.

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  2. Fluffybiscuits

    Free speech is not a feckin absolute right and its the poorly educated cretins on the right who push it as being. As said before there is a hierachy of rights. The right to live free from prejudice outweighs the right of free speech. And yes Antifa are bloody correct, never remove the proverbial foot from the the throat of a right winger..

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      1. Fluffybiscuits

        Not sure if you are lookin to blur lines here but one is a nationalist if a fascist but one doesnt have to be fascist if nationalist. The latter is a tenet in many left wing movements. Anything else I can help with let me know…

        U ok hun xoxo

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          1. NobleLocks

            I wouldn’t bother. They can’t see beyond the end of their nose.

            Asking questions like: Who gets to decide what the limits of speech are?
            or pointing out that it’s all very well and good having speech limits when the government is on your side, but what happens when they use those same laws against you?

            They don’t get it, they don’t want to and even if they did, they’d ignore it so that their precious precious “feelings” could still be seen as relevant.

            Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

            It’ll leave a mark one day… just not today.

    1. BS

      The problem with the proposed hate speech legislation is it will allow anyone who is offended by someone stating a fact to make a complaint. Look at the mess in the U.K. where someone can have a “non crime” report put on their record for stating for instance a scientific fact like Transwomen are male. Now a person who believes that Transwomen are female might take offence to that, however it is biologically correct to state, so where’s the line to be drawn?

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        1. BS

          I’m not entirely sure what your point is there. Is it that modern science is wrong? That humans can change sex?

          Hate speech and being offended are two very different things. “Misgendering” or “deadbamibg” or not using someone’s “preferred pronouns” is not have speech. It’s someone being offended by someone else choosing not to use enforced language they don’t agree with. I have the right to believe scientific fact that a person born as the male sex is and always will be male. If choose to refer to someone like that as male, and they take offence as they believe they are a different sex to that they were born that is not hate speech or a hate crime.

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          1. Nigel

            Better hurry up and tell the medical professionals who diagnose gender dysphoria and recommend and perform gender transtion treatments that your big science brain has an urgent message for them.

            Trans people are a tiny minority, yet they are hugely vulnerable and disproportionately targeted as if they’re some existential threat to civilisation. Misgendering them and puffing yourself up to bray arrogant scientific declarations just to bully them is massively dickish behaviour, and makes you a bad person, to say nothing of the potential effects on the vulnerable person you have decided it is your God-given right to bully.

          2. Clampers Outside

            “Gender Dysphoria” requires medival “gender transition treatments” now? 

            Do you even know the difference between gender and sex and between transgender and transsexual? 

            The commenter above spoke about changing sex, not gender. 

            And it is a fact that sex cannot be changed, and before you go off on one I can give you a list as long as my arm of transexual people who argue that fact. 

            As for your own clearly puffed up dickish behaviour… put a sock on it. Learn facts. Stop accusing persons of misunderstanding scientific facts when even those you purport to speak for do not agree. 

            And for the love of gawd, for the last time, I know you believe women can have a penis, which is daft as can be and nothing to do with scientific fact. 

            But please, stop mashing up sex and gender as if they were the same thing. It shows you’ve no clue what you are on about, and not just on the women have a penis thing ya sexist… ffs..

          3. Nigel

            See? Disproportionate animus towards a vulnerable minority because they somehow represent a terrible threat to people’s notions of sex and gender.

          4. Clampers Outside

            When such ideology is brought into schools and taught as if it were scientific fact, the argument moves well past just a minority and into the realm of pushing pseudoscience on young minds. And we already had enough of that with religion in schools, no need to replace that with some secular equivalent ideological claptrap.

          5. Clampers Outside

            Women have a penis.

            Cracks me up everytime, the crap you swallow, and then preach to others about facts :0)

          6. BS

            @nigel I’m struggling to believe you are as stupid as you come across in that comment. Firstly – sex and gender are 2 different things, which are not inherently linked I.e. you can be a male person and choose to live as a different gender.

            Sex is binary. It’s is one of the other. Full stop. No spectrum. No change possible. You are born as a single sex human. This cannot be changed. Gender reassignment surgery does not change your sex.

            Someone with gender dysphoria is suffering from a mental health illness. Can you tell me of any other mental health illness that is treated with medical surgery and genital mutilation? The speed at which so called gender treatment clinics race to “transition” vulnerable people and children is shocking and needs to be looked at.

            Are trans people vulnerable? I would argue that they are no more vulnerable than any other section of society.

          7. Nigel

            Yeah, again. Must be fantastic to be part of a vulnerable minority and have every entitled braying ass with an internet medical degree weigh in with their valuable opinion on their lives and their medical issues.

          8. Clampers Outside

            And when trans people disagree with you, you dismiss them, as you have done on here before, even calling trans persons opinions transphobic.

            Seriously Nigel, put a sock in it with your nonsense, the premier of such being when you purport that women have a penis, they don’t.

          9. BS

            @nigel what I think is really horrible is women, who are historically the most vulnerable section of society being harassed, threatened and intimidated by people like you, who of course are usually men because they want their SEX based protections kept intact. The censoring of women to the point where even the word used to describe them is being erased is disgusting.

            I also note you didn’t try to counter any of my points I made in relation to your word soup of gender/sex you spewed preciously.

            So I’ll settle on the fact that you are not very intelligent but breeze through life being “woke”

            I hope you don’t think this is hate speech against you, as a member of a minority community of stupid people.

          10. Nigel

            It’s funny how a lot of people on the right suddenly care about misogyny, but only so long as they get to demonise trans people.

          11. Clampers Outside

            What is your intention with that silliness pet?

            If it’s a response to my reminding you that you said a trans persons opinions were transphobic, I find it funny that you avoid the matter by making fun of it.
            All I can say to that is, so much for your assumed self righteous position… you’re a bit of an eejit in fairness pet.

          12. Nigel

            You’re not trans, you don’t speak for trans people and you are transphobic. Invoking what other trans people – who are not here, not commenting themselves – may or may not have said doesn’t shield you from that.

          13. Clampers Outside

            That’s your assertion, nothing more, just like when you hold the assertion that “women have a penis” LOL! :0)

          14. Nigel

            I’m sorry a reactionary old codger like yourself has such difficulty living in the future. Keep yelling at clouds.

          15. Nigel

            The trans people of now look on you as a vindictive bully and tormentor doing relentless damage to them in the present. Remember that.

        2. scundered

          Fluffybiscuits, there are all sorts of multivariants between humans, did you think that they are all equal? If so why on earth would you think that? It’s hardly news that black people can outperform white people in physcial exercises, asian people have higher IQ, white people are somewhere in between… these are scientific facts, these sort of things don’t fit well into our moral desires to show ourselves as equals in everything, so we largely ignore them to keep the peace which is great for the entire species, but if you believe all humans have equal abilities you are deluded

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          1. Nigel

            Nobody disputes that humans have differeing abilities. ‘Equality’ means equal opportunity and equal treatment under the law. The idea that different races have different abilities? I’ve been reading some horrifying, hair-raising stuff lately about black people having symptoms dismissed or treatments curtailed because medical staff were operating on the belief that black people feel pain less than white people, so this racial pseudo-science is literally killing people.

          2. Clampers Outside

            “Black people having symptoms dismissed or curtailed…  ”

            Let me get that.

            Black people having symptoms recognised and specific treatments suited to them better understood and researched further for their benefit….

            According to you, this life saving knowledge of differences is only for racists to abuse, which is nonsense. Any links to your claims?

            Here’s some factual work being done, as a starter of the good that comes from recognising the differences.

            Black men have better reactions to hypertension treatments than other population groups? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3681568/ 

          3. scundered

            Scottser, do you believe humans all have the same ability levels if they apply themselves? Am pretty sure I won’t be breaking any records in the 100m sprint at the Olympics, am ok with it though.

            Nigel I think these things only become horrifying when the data is used in malevolent ways, hence we largely ignore it and agree we should still treat each other as equals for the good of our planet. It was not a statement of superiority in any way, for any race, each has their pros and cons.

          4. scottser

            of course people have different abilities. it’s just obtuse to classify those differences by race or gender.

          5. Nigel

            ‘According to you’

            No, according to the black people who have been relating their experiences. Go on, then and blacksplain to them how their horrible experiences are for the benefit of science.

            The purpose of racial pseudo-science is always malevolent.

          6. Nigel

            YES! EXACTLY! It’s like people talking about Africa as if it was a country when it’s actually a vast continent.

          7. scundered

            I wonder if some races understand humour easier than others?

            Seriously though, identity politics is merely the weaponisation of victimhood, it is taking mankind down darker paths than we have been down before. It won’t end well as there are infinite sub-categories of victimhood that can and will be branched into and then played against each other.

          8. Nigel

            This is an argument for ignoring victims. Claming ‘gammon’ is racial abuse is the weaponisation of victomhood. Someone getting surrounded and yelled at on a bus or a street because of who they are is not.

          9. Nigel

            Ok Clamps, I’ll try again: so you’re saying ALL the puppies should be put in the blender? Not sure I’m with you there, you transphopic twit.

          10. Clampers Outside

            Do try again. I have no idea what this silly point references or responds to.

            All, and I mean ALL, the comments I’ve made on the trans issues are echoes of those comments made by trans persons. Some of whom I directly quoted with links to the original which you called transphobic.

            Your bandying around the phrase is churlish, and is certainly ridiculous.

          11. scundered

            Nigel, all sides of the coin would agree that is unacceptable behaviour and falls into the category of hate speech, but rather than me writing a plethora of points I think this link explains a lot why I believe free speech is important and how to distinguish it from hatred: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pAYensjMlk

          12. Nigel

            Sorry, I only use YouTube to look at trailers and the Alan-A-Dale song.
            Free speech’s importance does not require anyone to be passive or tolerant in the face of hate speech. In fact it may require the opposite.

          13. Scundered

            Nigel, if you choose to remain blinkered on the subject and only voice your view and not listen to alternatives, don’t expect people to listen to or respect your opinion in future. It’s a very divisive world you are creating for yourself, one that makes finding middle ground fairly impossible, so violence would be very likely with that closed mindset. It makes sense now.

      1. Nigel

        It’s funny that we’ve accepted the framing that if someone is hateful to you – as in, racist, homophobic, misogynistic, etc, – then you are merely ‘offended,’ rather than being the victim of some level of nasty verbal abuse. We manage to draw lines about what rises to legally actionable verbal and enotional abuse, so I don’t see why some sort of line can’t be drawn in terms of hate speech.

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        1. Nullzero

          So we should classify everyone who has had something unpleasant said to them as a victim?

          Some people are morons, if you use a racial slur, you’re a moron, if you’re homophobic you’re a moron. Does it follow that when you use your powers for stupidity that the people you inflict them on are in no way capable of appropriating them as merely the actions of a stupid person and thus unimportant, or should we allow everything to cut to the bone and seek sympathy and reparations for our “suffering”?

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          1. Nigel

            I don’t know why the relative intelligence of the person or people subjecting someone else to verbal abuse based on their race, religion, sexuality or gender would make the experience any less potentially terrifying and upsetting, nor why that level of intelligence means the person under attack is under some obligation to tolerate it, or not entitled to seek legal protection and/or redress.

          2. Nullzero

            Nigel, life is hard.
            Coddling people to this extent is a ridiculous notion.
            It is Almost impossible to enforce what you are proposing and it would cripple an already over loaded judicial system.

          3. Nigel

            Life is hard. Lettyng people get away with hateful abuse and telling their victims to suck it up because you find it irritating that they dont just roll over and take it the way they’re supposed to is deliberately going out of your way to make it harder for other people.

          4. Clampers Outside

            Yet you tell women to ‘suck it up’ all the time when you take your position on trans ideology opposing women’s sex based rights.

            You hypocrite.

          5. Nullzero

            Like calling somebody a “Gammon”?

            Nigel you want what you find offensive to be outlawed but your own prejudice to be acceptable.

            You’re a massive hypocrite Nigel.

          6. Clampers Outside

            Minimising? You’re a champion of sexism here in this thread when you back an ideological standpoint that is opposed to biological fact.

          7. Nigel

            Equating ‘gammon’ with racial abuse merely highlights the casual way in which racial abuse is trivialised and dismissed by people like yourself.

          8. Nullzero

            Nigel, you are saying that abusive language is always wrong and should be punished using legal apparatus in yet using a term that discriminates based on skin colour is also fine as far as you’re concerned.

            You are a hypocrite Nigel.

            All abusive language is wrong, whoever it is directed at. Those who engage in it are reprehensible but having a system where every slur is punished in the courts is laughable because it cannot be implemented.

            Equally, defending one type of prejudice whilst denouncing all others is really an exercise in cognitive dissonance.

          9. Nigel

            Whatever the definition, ‘honourable,’ becautiful,’ ‘profound’ and ‘genius’ do not feature in it in any significant way.

          10. scottser

            kinell dot, unbunch the panties there.
            everyone has the right to say whatever they like, but no-one should be immune from the consequences of what they say. it’s really very simple.

          11. Nigel

            As a hateful globalist shill I am dying to hear more about poorly-defined insults and paymaster-approved words.

          12. Nigel

            I think I can safely say I have never said that or anything like it to a woman, Clamps. Thought you had a strict thing about accurately reflecting what other actually people say? Haha joke no you really don’t.

          13. Clampers Outside

            Your position on trans ideology and your insistence on their access to sex based rights and exclusions (sports, changing rooms, etc) makes you an outright sexist.
            You don’t have to say anything directly to anyone when the position you argue for, a misogynistic one, says it all.

          14. Clampers Outside

            But you did. I’m on a phone and cannot search, as the search is crap by phone app.
            But hey, you know what you did and didnt do, and are free to deny it just like when you denied calling anyone a nazi, or the time you denied labeling people terfs, and so on…

          15. Nigel

            Be sure to search for the various apologies and withdrawals you made after falsely levelling similar assertions in the past, save the rest of us the trouble.

          16. Clampers Outside

            Lol, I haven’t apologised nor withdrawn any commemt about you calling anyone a nazi or a terf pet.

          17. Nigel

            Sure you have. Not the terf one. if I called someone a terf they probably were. It isn’t as if it’s a slur.

        2. GiggidyGoo

          The last time I saw a thread this long was when I ended up with a week long spat with many.
          One of which is on this one under a new name.

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      1. Fluffybiscuits

        Its set out under law. Laws are informed by legal precedent, public opinion and human rights. What Im saying about the hierarchy of rights is a simplified view of it from my own understanding and is how courts interpret it.

        Free speech is defended a lot by those who seek to undermine the rights of others. Should we let white supremacists say what they like ?

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        1. Nullzero

          Antifa, the anti fascist group who dress in black and forcefully impose their agenda on others whilst engaging in public disorder and assaulting people.

          The idea that you would oppose hateful ideologies with violence and a more “righteous” hate is a perfect example of the nonsense people’s heads are filled with today.

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          1. Fluffybiscuits

            The only thing the far right do understand is violence and once all diplomatic efforts are exhausted and they kick off executing those of us in the minority I will defend my patch as I see fit…

          2. Nullzero

            The thing is that we’re talking about small groups of people with no power to begin executing anybody.

            These scuffles we see groups like Antifa involved in are against tiny groups of inconsequential people. They add up to small public order offences, we’re not looking at the rise of the National Socialist party in economically devastated post world war one Germany here, its groups of ninny’s making fools of themselves in the street whilst normal people are trying to live normal lives.

            Both sides look daft when you would expect the group opposing fascism to be at least a little more mentally sophisticated than the average Antifa member.

          3. Nigel

            You think there’s something uniquely modern about people being willing to violently oppose violent and hateful ideologies? Also, the argument that hating the hateful puts you logically and morally in check therefore you must allow the hateful more and more power over the people they hate is facile, and benefits only side, guess which.

          4. Nullzero

            Nigel we’re talking about tiny groups of people who are only being benefitted by the Antifa clowns opposing them giving them the oxygen of publicity.

            Let them have their little marches, ignore them and their stupid ideology will disappear.
            Add an group of Antifa clowns to the mix and now you’ve got a circus, now they have the publicity they desire.

            In one breath you want everyone who’s offended at any time to get legal redress and in the next you want violence in the streets, once its “justified”.

          5. scundered

            Well said Nullzero, this should be completely obvious, I feel sorry for our youth who cannot see their staggering hypocrisy

          6. Nigel

            I think passive complascency in the face of right-wing hate and stirring arguments for shrugging and letting them get on with it are what is really enabling to the far right. As you said elsewhere, it’s a tough world, filled with contradiction and paradox. If you’re more worried about getting accused of hypocrisy than about other people being subjected to racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc, or about people driven by those things acheving political power, then your priorities are whacked.

          7. Nullzero

            Nigel look at out society, we aren’t being swayed by what these tiny hate groups are saying, nit even a little bit.

          8. Clampers Outside

            …but, but, but GOD got 4% and, and, and at least half of them must be nazis. They are everywhere!

            (Sarcasm. Admittedly not very good sarcasm, but sarcasm all the same)

          9. scundered

            Nigel, free speech is actually something that was strived for by the left, a lot of left wing comedy being at the heart of it, being allowed to mock the establishment and I fully support it’s importance, the idea that it is suddenly all a right wing idea is completely wrong, free speech should be for everyone unless you approve of communism, and if you disagree with someone then debate it out and defeat them

          10. Nigel

            I agree. Allowing the far-right to monopolise fee speech as a trojan horse for their appalling, dangerous, violent ideology must not be allowed to happen, but that depends on people exercising some level of judgement and seeing through what is a fairly transparent strategy.

          11. Clampers Outside

            “monopolise free speech”

            Oh will you ever shurrrrup with that kinda stupid nonsense.
            Or better, try explain that stupid nonsense.

          12. some old queen

            Poland currently has a large NATIONALIST movement which rejects Fascism and Communism equally- and the reason is that they have been on the receiving end of both- it is a push back against the EU, nothing more.

            Political history is not my strong point but I know enough to know that this rush to brand everything and everyone fascist or racist is beyond stupid.

          13. Nigel

            The Law and Justice Party is anti-immigrant. They have also declared cities and provinces as LGBT-free zones. I bet they say they’re all in favour of free speech, though.

          14. Nigel

            Yes, that’s correct, anti-immigration does seem to correlate with anti-lgtbq and other flavours of far right nastiness.

          15. Clampers Outside

            The correlation you made that I was drawing attention to is the one you’ve made with those far-right positions and with free speech… you numpty.

          16. Nigel

            Oh, yes, that far right groups might scream about freedom of speech to camouflage their appalling ideology, which is anithetical to freedom of speech?

          17. Clampers Outside

            And they’d be scum for that, just like the Antifa scum who hide behind the opposing side to enable their own version of narrative control. Both are scum. Yet you only decry the behaviour of one of the groups and have, for all intents and purposes, supported the activities of the other. Antifa.

            Go figure, eh.

          18. Clampers Outside

            Yeah cool, support those that want a system of oppression that has lead to, in every country it was tried, killed 100 million cumulatively all because they fight another despicable ideology.

            Great logic that pet. Go you >_<

          19. Nullzero

            Nigel has no shame.
            Facts mean nothing, especially when the facts in question are stupid things he’s said in the past and conveniently ignores whenever they’re brought up.

            But he’s “progressive” and “liberal” (except when it comes to people he disagrees with, they can all vanish off the face of the earth).

    2. scundered

      Imagine being so sensitive to words that you think violence is your only option rather than having the intellect to debate and defeat people with different viewpoints.

      Antifa are just middle class virtue signalling terrorists.

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      1. Fluffybiscuits

        Let me put some context for you. Im a gay lad, been subject to homophobic abuse. I snogged a guy ten years ago and a gang of lads filmed it, got a bit rowdy so I took the leader aside and dropped him as it was all going to kick off. When your back is up against the wall as all the wonderful things you take for granted are automatically given to you as you grew up its hard to see my pov

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        1. scundered

          But both the left and right agree homophobia is very wrong… so am not sure where you are going with that one?

          Antifa are just going out and assaulting people in the street, if you agree to that then why would you think it is wrong for someone to assault you? You either are against or for violence, you cannot pick and choose rules for one set of people and not the other.

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          1. Nigel

            Both left and tight agree that all sorts of bad things are bad, but why don’t you listen when the gay lad tells you which side he feels more threatened by? Similarly immigrants, trans, women, etc?

          2. some old queen

            Iv’e pulled you on this one before Nigel- some gay people may support those antfia thugs but most do not.

            Further more- supporters of Lyra Mckee’s murderers were in that “peace” mob- lets see them turn up at Derry Pride next year if they think they have support from the Irish gay community.

          3. Nigel

            This isn’t about supporting antifa, though. Hopefully they will remain an obstreporous fringe. But do the threat posed by antifa to anyone match the threat posed to minorities, immigrants and women by the far right?

          4. scundered

            Nigel, I did listen and answered accordingly, I too have been involved in many a scuffle over the years, witnessed 2 murders and was once left for dead just because I defended a woman being attacked, but I still do not think violence is a way to achieve peace, discussion and listening with genuine desire for agreement is still my ethos on sensitive subjects. But Antifa are all about violence, and you either think that’s ok or not, if you agree with them and get beat up you can’t complain about the rules in that case, you accepted the game.

          5. Nigel

            I’m not that keen on violence either but I’m far more concerned about what happens when violent right-wing ideolgies gain acceptance and political power.

          6. Nigel

            Except antifa have not produced or inspired or been associated with anyone like, for example, Anders Brevik. So I reckon your disporportionate both-sides concerns are a cod.

          7. Clampers Outside

            So we should let their hate build yo that, right-oh. All the violence they’ve displayed everywhere they turn up just isn’t enough for you I guess.

          8. Clampers Outside

            No, I just don’t make excuses for either group as you demonstrably do for far-leftist violent thugs.

        2. some old queen

          Do you agree with antifia violence like witnessed last Saturday Fluffs- where at least one family was attacked and children were traumatised?

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          1. some old queen

            @fluffs so you think that traumatising children is fine then- basically, violence is grand as long as you support the cause.

            Thing is- all the thuggery has been coming from the left which is a best recruiting tool the right could ever possibly imagine.

        3. BS

          So you assaulted someone in order to stop “it all kicking off”?

          But it’s ok because you’re gay and have had homophobic remarks made about you?

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        4. BS

          @fluffy sounds like such a hard lad! Probably one of those incels that would be cool with people punching “terfs” because they are lesbians that won’t have sex with “ladydick”

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      2. Ambivalent Gendered Brit

        Imagine being such a dumbass that you think allowing fascist Nazis to spread hate speech openly shouldn’t be violently and forcefully opposed

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  3. Chimpy

    What is this all about? I’m all confused. Who is disagreeing with who and why? Cant we all just get along, Cant somebody please think of the childer.

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      1. Chimpy

        Ah right, I see. So does that make me a feminist antifascist if support the side that is against racism? I think its the banners that are confusing the whole thing. That and the fact the “good” side are the ones with the sunglasses and scarves covering their faces. Usually its the “bad” side that would be doing that. Why is this happening now? Is there something that has triggered this reaction?

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      2. some old queen

        ‘Decent’ people do not storm a Luas tooled up and beat people going to an anti Islam demonstration- brown shirts do.

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          1. Clampers Outside

            or, maybe ask, why would he defend an ideology that would see him stoned or thrown off a building, in fairness.

          2. Daisy Chainsaw

            Have Irish followers of Islam called for killing of Gay and Trans people? Are they regularly throwing them off buildings in Ireland?

            I’ve read several instances of catholics in Ireland killing and beating up people because they’re gay. Where are the anti catholic rallies?

    1. millie vanilly strikes again

      No it’s not just you, my dear.

      I am reserving all of my opinions on this one. The waters have been so muddied that its almost impossible to form an opinion that in some way hasn’t been informed by extreme bias or agenda.

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      1. Liam Deliverance

        Thanks Millie, after reading the many comments, 131 and counting, I am no more enlightened than I was this morning, but I do have a mild hangover, if these 2 groups could batter the poop out of each other that might make things a bit clearer for me (TIC), until the next “peace march”, ciao

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  4. Treasa

    Both sides are the attention-craving dregs of decency, aka the kind of people any sane person avoids like the plague irl … the brain-donors of society who argue with people on the internet … oh …

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  5. Dr.Fart

    “free speech” but have their faces covered? yea, i reckon you have a better chance of saying what you like, if you can put your name to it.

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  6. Bobby

    Lol at all the people bending over backwards to say that the only thing that people who are principled anti-Fascists are interested in is street violence in a thread about an actual Seig Hail throwing Nazi.

    Ireland only has identifiable left leaning journalists, activists, and politicians. There’s no right wing in Ireland just normal.

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  7. Bobby

    Funny how the the ‘free speech’ rally supporters online n practically every thread I’ve seen call for things like an end to homosexuality, and capital punishment for leftists and feminists.

    They’re a toxic mix of white supremacists, right wing Catholic fundamentalists, anti-vaccination conspiracy theorists, and Seig Heil throwing Nazis. I’m sorry for the few decent people who are conservative in the crowd. These raving lunatics care as much about freedom of expression as I do about cleaning the grout in my bathroom.

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      1. Bobby

        Hahahahaha, I was there and those stewards, professional boxers, traveller activists, solicitors, members of trade unions, students, independent elected cllrs, myself – a chippie and non party anti Fascist – and many other non party folks and not one single member of SF as far as I know. But yeah, just assume and then fact point even those it’s wildly baseless nonsense like all the guff about antifa being an organisation. You’re the same as lots of others here, made up your mind about it all and couldn’t give a toss to find out anything at all about what happened on Saturday. Well done.

        We’ll continue to fight Nazism and you can pontificate away as attacks on vulnerable minority increases in Ireland.

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      1. millie vanilly strikes again

        One of the stupidest comments to show up on a thread absolutely riddled with stupid, petty comments.

        Maybe we should have it framed and sent to you by post.

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        1. Scundered

          Not at all Millie, if that’s what you thought then I’d rather you were honest. And I support your right to say it. However my point was that the poster was giving out about people who are anti homosexuality, anti feminist and support capital punishment, and I found it humorous that that sounded like a description of islam in many parts of the world, unless you think I am totally wrong in that assumption and those things never happen.

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  8. james russell

    hate speech =/= free speech, we need legislation to curtail the rise of so-called “free speech”, once things are under control the government can begin to relax any new powers they were granted.

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    1. NobleLocks

      “Once things are under control” I’m astonished at the stupidity of this statement…

      Who gets to decide the limits of free speech?

      Which government gets to make these decisions?

      Who will watch the watchers?

      Honestly, it’s like there’s a whole generation of unbelievably stupid people in Ireland at the moment, people who have learned NOTHING from history and are proud of it.

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  9. DOC

    It is obvious the poor SAP is looking for attention
    Remember that scene in Die Hard with a Vengeance? (1995)
    Bruce Willis has to walk down Brooklyn wearing a Sandwich board with I Hate Ni++ers written on it
    Sam Jackson comes out of his store and saves him
    Let this dude do the same and we will see how far it gets him…

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  10. f_lawless

    I’m reminded of a tweet by journalist Michael Tracey regarding a clash between Antifa and a far-right group in Portland, Oregon a few months back:

    ‘The “fascist” vs. “anti-fascist” street theater is ultimately an expression of political impotence. They have no real power or organizational ability so have to derive meaning from playing make-believe on a Saturday’.

    Seems like it could easily apply to the incident in Dublin. I wonder are we just witnessing people being consumed by current internet memes like “the rising threat of Islamism” or “the rising threat of fascism” that in reality aren’t particularly applicable to Ireland?

    Related article: https://consentfactory.org/2019/08/20/manufacturing-mass-fascism-hysteria/

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