the same reason I set myself to a limit of social media to 15 mins a day, is the same reason you should take this toxic controlled media in moderation,
I don’t mean this as an offense to broadsheet towers..more a comment on what we are getting fed ..which is pure pigwash, because very little of these driveling lines are news and very little is designed to make you feel like making a change,
I guess my point is free media is dead in Ireland and godforbid real sanctioned news outside of this tiny island is too which is an insult to the people living on it..back too constant adds to buy crap
Ambivalent Gendered Brit
It’s never been alive here
Isn’t little wonky just adorable though?
Janet, I ate my avatar
feck adorable and twee and tourist white washing from a hight :)
Ambivalent Gendered Brit
Ha yes agree but where did that come from?
Janet, I ate my avatar
well actually living here destroys all rose tinted glasses illusion,
I actually despair at the state of it,
Irish politics needs a major rehaul,
our founding fathers are rolling in their graves and I can’t understand why the people don’t grind the country to a standstill to demand change
Ambivalent Gendered Brit
I think you just have to remain focused on your own ethics and what you can do personally – not to go all JFK on it – as a small example just look at V or Slightly Bemused on this site and the positive shining example they set
Janet, I ate my avatar
did u mean where did this attitude come from ? don’t make a fuss ? I think it’s a hangover from colonisation and starvation.. doesn’t bring out the best in humanity and we are no exception ..rant over, I’m off to bed
Janet, I ate my avatar
ah thanks, tis but a temporary cloud, need to recharge my batteries :)
millie vanilly strikes again
Well, Janet, I hope your Christmas goes some way towards doing that. Don’t let the bastards get you down, as me aul da says. X
Ambivalent Gendered Brit
+1
A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle
Bertie Theodore Alphege Blenkinsop
You’re not helping my cause pal….
Ambivalent Gendered Brit
Good to hear
Brother Barnabas
hope things not too bad J ~ and happy christmas to you
Ambivalent Gendered Brit
It’s a tough time of year for many folks. So much pressure to fit into pre ordained roles and conform to public and private expectations
Janet, I ate my avatar
ah thanks lads that’s sweet and cheered me up, I’m ok, finish line in sight ;)
Janet, I ate my avatar
Merry Christmas back at yas, next year I’m going somewhere tropical without my phone ;)
Amen Janet. The members of the wealthy elite class who own these outlets aren’t in the business in order to effect any serious social change in the interests of the many. – they’re in it to wield influence, protect their privilege, and make money. Those who write in these outlets are either just stenographers for the elite class who don’t give a damn about objective truth or those who know that if you want a career in the business, you don’t stray outside the predetermined narrow spectrum of acceptable opinion. The editors also play along with the same game to ensure we’re distracted and rarely exposed to the true nature of the rigged system. Semi-inebriated rant over and out! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
Ambivalent Gendered Brit
Well duh
shayna
You know you can choose to ignore the ads? Someone significant always dies around Christmas, I have my money on Prince Philip. As an interesting aside (depends) my former boss’s husband’s job as a BBC producer was to be prepared for the death of The Queen Mother – his whole work life revolved around an obituary – she died, so did his job. A similar producer etc…Yikes!
Spaghetti Hoop
Everyone who dies is significant. To someone.
Bertie Theodore Alphege Blenkinsop
Well said Hoop.
shayna
My dad died, 27th December, 2005 – I dialled 999 on Christmas Eve – I loved the guy, being callous is how I deal with it.
shayna
He played for Tyrone in ’57, (beaten by Louth, I know they did do the two in a row) thought he’d never see Tyrone win an All-Ireland, he saw 2.
Taking out the trash.
This is actual 100% solid gold cobblers.
The BBC like all broadcasting organisations including RTE has a huge library of obits on the royals and many other public figures ready to run.
There isn’t one person in charge of each royal and they don’t lose their job when a royal dies.
Phil’s obit is in the can ready to roll as it has been for years.
Why do you make up this nonsense ?
shayna
To be fair, his job was as I said, she died – job over. I don’t know why you’re so distressed. “Don’t call it ‘Nam, you weren’t there man!”
Taking out the trash.
But his job wasn’t over when she died.
The BBC has never employed a single person to curate one member of the royal family’s obituary.
You think this person sat in a office for years praying the Queen Mother wouldn’t die because he would be made unemployed.
Sham Bob
Gibbo #neverforget
Tea And Brexits
If you’re on Twiitter, you can get much the same by following #TomorrowsPapersToday
I appreciate its gallows humour but I didn’t find it funny at all
GiggidyGoo
Agreed that the Indo is a desperate situation. They’re begging now. As for willing to have to pay for newsworthy stories – well doesn’t that say a lot about the quality of their ‘journailists’? Think back to proper investigative journalists. One that springs to mind is Veronica Guerin. Compare her to her successors in the Indo. The difference is that she did her own work – the boyos now just comment on TV shows, or copy and past whatever the Government give them – it’s the media that have been bought, so I do find it funny them saying that they need to buy stories.
GiggidyGoo
So here is the begging letter…
“Next year we will ask our digital readers to continue to support our journalism by subscribing to independent.ie for stories that are unique and exclusive.
Those stories will continue to appear in the print edition of the Irish Independent and the ‘Sunday Independent’.
Stories that will inform, explain and entertain.
Stories that will challenge, provoke and hold power to account.
Stories that the nation will be talking about.
Stories that will tell you what you need to know.
Stories that connect us.
Stories that mean something.
Real stories, worth paying for.”
GiggidyGoo
….. they need us to buy their stories…
Ambivalent Gendered Brit
Indeed because 50% of all advertising is now online – what does that tell you though Giggidy = they’ve always been “bought”. The old Irish Press was a propaganda wing of the De Valera dynasty. It didn’t prevent great journalists like Con Houlihan plying their trade there.
GiggidyGoo
Aye I’d agree with that I suppose. The Guardian in the UK goes about it a little different. They make it that they’re providing the content without requiring any payment – and leave it up to the reader make a (donation for want of a better word) if they think they’re getting value for money.
The Independent is overrun with ‘Outbrain’ clickbait advertising trying to fool people and trying to fool advertisers.
Clampers Outside
In the US a major newspaper replaced opinion content with solutions.
“Op-eds and political columns are gone. Editorials are rare. Though we reserve the right to use our editorial voice — on First Amendment and public right-to-know issues, or when minority rights are in jeopardy — we’ve written only three editorials in a year. We publish letters to the editor once a week in our Sunday print edition.
Otherwise, our pages focus on evaluating ideas to solve problems and adding context to the news.”
Lilly
Dave Allen once worked there and they didn’t let him write a word.
the same reason I set myself to a limit of social media to 15 mins a day, is the same reason you should take this toxic controlled media in moderation,
I don’t mean this as an offense to broadsheet towers..more a comment on what we are getting fed ..which is pure pigwash, because very little of these driveling lines are news and very little is designed to make you feel like making a change,
I guess my point is free media is dead in Ireland and godforbid real sanctioned news outside of this tiny island is too which is an insult to the people living on it..back too constant adds to buy crap
It’s never been alive here
Isn’t little wonky just adorable though?
feck adorable and twee and tourist white washing from a hight :)
Ha yes agree but where did that come from?
well actually living here destroys all rose tinted glasses illusion,
I actually despair at the state of it,
Irish politics needs a major rehaul,
our founding fathers are rolling in their graves and I can’t understand why the people don’t grind the country to a standstill to demand change
I think you just have to remain focused on your own ethics and what you can do personally – not to go all JFK on it – as a small example just look at V or Slightly Bemused on this site and the positive shining example they set
did u mean where did this attitude come from ? don’t make a fuss ? I think it’s a hangover from colonisation and starvation.. doesn’t bring out the best in humanity and we are no exception ..rant over, I’m off to bed
ah thanks, tis but a temporary cloud, need to recharge my batteries :)
Well, Janet, I hope your Christmas goes some way towards doing that. Don’t let the bastards get you down, as me aul da says. X
+1
A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle
You’re not helping my cause pal….
Good to hear
hope things not too bad J ~ and happy christmas to you
It’s a tough time of year for many folks. So much pressure to fit into pre ordained roles and conform to public and private expectations
ah thanks lads that’s sweet and cheered me up, I’m ok, finish line in sight ;)
Merry Christmas back at yas, next year I’m going somewhere tropical without my phone ;)
That would be nice.
L’enfer. C’est les autres.
plus plus plus 1
https://youtu.be/BO9GV4mKGB0
Wonkies relate to each other
+1
Amen Janet. The members of the wealthy elite class who own these outlets aren’t in the business in order to effect any serious social change in the interests of the many. – they’re in it to wield influence, protect their privilege, and make money. Those who write in these outlets are either just stenographers for the elite class who don’t give a damn about objective truth or those who know that if you want a career in the business, you don’t stray outside the predetermined narrow spectrum of acceptable opinion. The editors also play along with the same game to ensure we’re distracted and rarely exposed to the true nature of the rigged system. Semi-inebriated rant over and out!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
Well duh
You know you can choose to ignore the ads? Someone significant always dies around Christmas, I have my money on Prince Philip. As an interesting aside (depends) my former boss’s husband’s job as a BBC producer was to be prepared for the death of The Queen Mother – his whole work life revolved around an obituary – she died, so did his job. A similar producer etc…Yikes!
Everyone who dies is significant. To someone.
Well said Hoop.
My dad died, 27th December, 2005 – I dialled 999 on Christmas Eve – I loved the guy, being callous is how I deal with it.
He played for Tyrone in ’57, (beaten by Louth, I know they did do the two in a row) thought he’d never see Tyrone win an All-Ireland, he saw 2.
This is actual 100% solid gold cobblers.
The BBC like all broadcasting organisations including RTE has a huge library of obits on the royals and many other public figures ready to run.
There isn’t one person in charge of each royal and they don’t lose their job when a royal dies.
Phil’s obit is in the can ready to roll as it has been for years.
Why do you make up this nonsense ?
To be fair, his job was as I said, she died – job over. I don’t know why you’re so distressed. “Don’t call it ‘Nam, you weren’t there man!”
But his job wasn’t over when she died.
The BBC has never employed a single person to curate one member of the royal family’s obituary.
You think this person sat in a office for years praying the Queen Mother wouldn’t die because he would be made unemployed.
Gibbo #neverforget
If you’re on Twiitter, you can get much the same by following #TomorrowsPapersToday
https://twitter.com/hashtag/TomorrowsPapersToday?src=hashtag_click
“Notify me of follow-up comments by e-mail”
I clicked that once :/
How did you change your gravatar – is there a facility?
Gravatar – https://en.gravatar.com/
Need a laugh this fine Saturday morning?
https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/a-note-from-the-editor-why-real-stories-by-real-journalists-are-worth-paying-for-38805190.html
I appreciate its gallows humour but I didn’t find it funny at all
Agreed that the Indo is a desperate situation. They’re begging now. As for willing to have to pay for newsworthy stories – well doesn’t that say a lot about the quality of their ‘journailists’? Think back to proper investigative journalists. One that springs to mind is Veronica Guerin. Compare her to her successors in the Indo. The difference is that she did her own work – the boyos now just comment on TV shows, or copy and past whatever the Government give them – it’s the media that have been bought, so I do find it funny them saying that they need to buy stories.
So here is the begging letter…
“Next year we will ask our digital readers to continue to support our journalism by subscribing to independent.ie for stories that are unique and exclusive.
Those stories will continue to appear in the print edition of the Irish Independent and the ‘Sunday Independent’.
Stories that will inform, explain and entertain.
Stories that will challenge, provoke and hold power to account.
Stories that the nation will be talking about.
Stories that will tell you what you need to know.
Stories that connect us.
Stories that mean something.
Real stories, worth paying for.”
….. they need us to buy their stories…
Indeed because 50% of all advertising is now online – what does that tell you though Giggidy = they’ve always been “bought”. The old Irish Press was a propaganda wing of the De Valera dynasty. It didn’t prevent great journalists like Con Houlihan plying their trade there.
Aye I’d agree with that I suppose. The Guardian in the UK goes about it a little different. They make it that they’re providing the content without requiring any payment – and leave it up to the reader make a (donation for want of a better word) if they think they’re getting value for money.
The Independent is overrun with ‘Outbrain’ clickbait advertising trying to fool people and trying to fool advertisers.
In the US a major newspaper replaced opinion content with solutions.
Readership & article longevity are up.
Full story – https://t.co/mAQbxucaaL via @AmPress
Lesson? Lose the option pieces
“Op-eds and political columns are gone. Editorials are rare. Though we reserve the right to use our editorial voice — on First Amendment and public right-to-know issues, or when minority rights are in jeopardy — we’ve written only three editorials in a year. We publish letters to the editor once a week in our Sunday print edition.
Otherwise, our pages focus on evaluating ideas to solve problems and adding context to the news.”
Dave Allen once worked there and they didn’t let him write a word.
In other news
And Janie I think you’ll like this
The Queen is on her way
https://twitter.com/RespectMovie/status/1208028189769043969?s=19
that does look good
We’ll have to make a Day of it
Even a week
Which would be my preference
(. ❛ ᴗ ❛.)