And so the promises begin. Of course you have to dissect the weasel words/phrases. Varadkar said
‘that FG would promise in its general election manifesto….’
Remember that famous phrase ‘sure isn’t that what one tends to do during elections?’
Now what did FG promise in other election manifestos that were reneged upon?
Great. Now how many have been achieved? How many have Not been achieved? How many have been ignored completely? How many have been surpassed?
GiggidyGoo
Fire away Cian. You asked four questions, so back at you – you tell us.
Cian
Um. You asked first.
GiggidyGoo
Not what you asked. So fire away.
Liam Deliverance
I don’t remember a time when Varadkar told the truth, followed through with a promise, or did something in the national interest, hopefully the people of Dublin West have noticed this also and will remember come GE.
Cathal
Was wondering if the other parties had some sort of voting pact in the constituencies of the worst FG TDs so would they lose their seats. Varadker, Owenie Murphy and Harris being especially useless.
darby
Lets face it with brexit all chickens are going to come back to roost
Everyone should vote fine Gael so they alone will not get off the hook and as such pay for the betrayal of our people with eternal damnation
Daisy Chainsaw
If the PS gets a rate of, say, double the current rate of inflation, that will be just over 2% of an increase.
Not for all. A clerical officer at the highest rate earns €40k. After 40 years (on the old ‘good’ pension) gets a pension of €20k. The state pension is 13k so effectively they are getting an 7k per annum pension.
A clerical officer on the ‘new’ contracts will get 1:80 of each years salary worked. So would end up with a pension of around 16.5k. So effectively a pension of 3.5k.
How many clerical officers remain as clerical officers for 40 years? Youre full of it once again Cian.
Clampers Outside
Eh?
George
There are a lot of clerical officers who will be retiring in the next 10 years with 40 years service.
Clampers Outside
That’s what I’d thought too.
GiggidyGoo
Doubt there are a lot. There’s almost automatic promotions within the CS.
Clerical officers progress usually to Executive Officer without much ado. A person who entered 40 years ago as clerical officer would want to be pretty darnn thick not to get a promotion.
Cian
There is no automatic promotions across grades in the Civil service..
It is all interview based. Most new roles are advertised as external – so are open to anyone (many existing civil servants get promotion via the ‘external’ route).
GiggidyGoo
‘Almost’. You have to understand, and not just read.
I see you haven’t discounted my “Clerical officers progress usually to Executive Officer without much ado. A person who entered 40 years ago as clerical officer would want to be pretty darnn thick not to get a promotion.”
The Associations are pretty adept at ensuring their members progress in the system.
Cian
There are many women in their 50s and early 60s in the civil service that are clerical officers. Many took a career break so might only have 20 years worked. These women are intelligent but not career focused so are happy to continue in their current role. I can’t find any stats but almost every section seems to have one of these.
Was reading that earlier, asked the (90 year old) father in law about her, he said she was an absolute stunner bitd.
Bodger
Tis, Brother.
Lilly
‘she was living with a raffish newspaper columnist’
Hmm… a raffish newspaper columnist, you say. Was there any other kind in 1980s Dublin? Fintan may well have been around back then, with his jumper tucked into his trousers.
Otis Blue
It’s been mentioned here previously but John Ryan’s memoir of bohemian Dublin, ‘Remembering How We Stood’ is a great read.
Shayna
The ensemble of characters who knew each other was an eye-opener for me to Irish Literature. The front-cover picture of his book, long coats, hats on a beach (Sandycove?) inspired me to have another go at Ulysses and Finnegans Wake. I read Sartre. Maupassant and Camus in French – for ‘A’ Level 35 years ago, but I’ve still no idea why there should or should not be an apostrophe after Finnegan, also I’ve no idea about Ulysses – it’s a mind shuck. I take the two copies of the books with me to beaches on holiday – I have not done the cheat’s synopsis thing yet, spoiler alert?
Anyhoo, yes – an inspirational book for me, for sure.
Shayna
Sorry, I’ve been away for a bit, and forget about how I do tend to witter on…
Otis Blue
The one with Anthony Cronin, Flann O’Brien and Patrick Kavanagh?
That would be the one, given to me by JR. I’ve lost it – moved zillions of times – I know, how would he find out?
Lilly
I’ll have to hunt that down, Otis. Modern Dublin could use a few more bohemians.
There’s no apostrophe in Finnegans Wake because the entire premise of the thing is to throw conventions aside. Joycean scholars probably wouldn’t approve but an enjoyable way to read Ulysses, even if you can never say you’ve read it, is to open it at random pages and read a few passages at a time.
And so the promises begin. Of course you have to dissect the weasel words/phrases. Varadkar said
‘that FG would promise in its general election manifesto….’
Remember that famous phrase ‘sure isn’t that what one tends to do during elections?’
Now what did FG promise in other election manifestos that were reneged upon?
I dunno. You tell us.
This will be good
The Two Pope’s can wait
Christmas Hang Omelette anyone?
Youd like a list then Cian?
Maybe I’ll do a slow release of them over the coming.months.
Lets start with …. quangos. http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/00118631.jpg
More to folly
https://finegael.ie/app/uploads/2016/08/FG_GE16_Manifesto_Final.pdf
Great. Now how many have been achieved? How many have Not been achieved? How many have been ignored completely? How many have been surpassed?
Fire away Cian. You asked four questions, so back at you – you tell us.
Um. You asked first.
Not what you asked. So fire away.
I don’t remember a time when Varadkar told the truth, followed through with a promise, or did something in the national interest, hopefully the people of Dublin West have noticed this also and will remember come GE.
Was wondering if the other parties had some sort of voting pact in the constituencies of the worst FG TDs so would they lose their seats. Varadker, Owenie Murphy and Harris being especially useless.
Lets face it with brexit all chickens are going to come back to roost
Everyone should vote fine Gael so they alone will not get off the hook and as such pay for the betrayal of our people with eternal damnation
If the PS gets a rate of, say, double the current rate of inflation, that will be just over 2% of an increase.
Whoopty doo. De boom is back!
Plus those already Benchmarked Pensions
Happy New Year
Suckers!
Not for all. A clerical officer at the highest rate earns €40k. After 40 years (on the old ‘good’ pension) gets a pension of €20k. The state pension is 13k so effectively they are getting an 7k per annum pension.
A clerical officer on the ‘new’ contracts will get 1:80 of each years salary worked. So would end up with a pension of around 16.5k. So effectively a pension of 3.5k.
For the higher earners it is fantastic.
…oh dear…back to YFG bootcamp for you Cian…
How many clerical officers remain as clerical officers for 40 years? Youre full of it once again Cian.
Eh?
There are a lot of clerical officers who will be retiring in the next 10 years with 40 years service.
That’s what I’d thought too.
Doubt there are a lot. There’s almost automatic promotions within the CS.
Clerical officers progress usually to Executive Officer without much ado. A person who entered 40 years ago as clerical officer would want to be pretty darnn thick not to get a promotion.
There is no automatic promotions across grades in the Civil service..
It is all interview based. Most new roles are advertised as external – so are open to anyone (many existing civil servants get promotion via the ‘external’ route).
‘Almost’. You have to understand, and not just read.
I see you haven’t discounted my “Clerical officers progress usually to Executive Officer without much ado. A person who entered 40 years ago as clerical officer would want to be pretty darnn thick not to get a promotion.”
The Associations are pretty adept at ensuring their members progress in the system.
There are many women in their 50s and early 60s in the civil service that are clerical officers. Many took a career break so might only have 20 years worked. These women are intelligent but not career focused so are happy to continue in their current role. I can’t find any stats but almost every section seems to have one of these.
https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/irish-actress-who-became-forgotten-star-of-hollywood-38819032.html
the aunt of our own JR, i believe
?
Was reading that earlier, asked the (90 year old) father in law about her, he said she was an absolute stunner bitd.
Tis, Brother.
‘she was living with a raffish newspaper columnist’
Hmm… a raffish newspaper columnist, you say. Was there any other kind in 1980s Dublin? Fintan may well have been around back then, with his jumper tucked into his trousers.
It’s been mentioned here previously but John Ryan’s memoir of bohemian Dublin, ‘Remembering How We Stood’ is a great read.
The ensemble of characters who knew each other was an eye-opener for me to Irish Literature. The front-cover picture of his book, long coats, hats on a beach (Sandycove?) inspired me to have another go at Ulysses and Finnegans Wake. I read Sartre. Maupassant and Camus in French – for ‘A’ Level 35 years ago, but I’ve still no idea why there should or should not be an apostrophe after Finnegan, also I’ve no idea about Ulysses – it’s a mind shuck. I take the two copies of the books with me to beaches on holiday – I have not done the cheat’s synopsis thing yet, spoiler alert?
Anyhoo, yes – an inspirational book for me, for sure.
Sorry, I’ve been away for a bit, and forget about how I do tend to witter on…
The one with Anthony Cronin, Flann O’Brien and Patrick Kavanagh?
https://www.google.com/search?q=remembering+how+we+stood&rlz=1C9BKJA_enIE686IE689&hl=en-US&prmd=ivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjCnoCxiNzmAhURShUIHRdSDrwQ_AUoAXoECA8QAQ&biw=1024&bih=659&dpr=2#imgrc=3Arokex9Hn7HmM&imgdii=RYQZcxRLeVMw7M
That would be the one, given to me by JR. I’ve lost it – moved zillions of times – I know, how would he find out?
I’ll have to hunt that down, Otis. Modern Dublin could use a few more bohemians.
There’s no apostrophe in Finnegans Wake because the entire premise of the thing is to throw conventions aside. Joycean scholars probably wouldn’t approve but an enjoyable way to read Ulysses, even if you can never say you’ve read it, is to open it at random pages and read a few passages at a time.