14 thoughts on “Thursday’s Papers

  1. some old queen

    Lots of stats about but could someone point me to where I can find the above average additional deaths per country?

    Thanks so much.

    1. LT

      Yes — don’t know why that is not being reported ( It is not lessening the fact of the tragedy of this pandemic, but surely a key stat.)

      1. some old queen

        Yes- it is the only factual stat.

        Amount infected is wholly dependent on amount tested and fatalities is even more shaky.-‘with’ as well as ‘of’ combined with a drop in other conditions suggests a wide variance in classifications per country.

        Italy is about to embark on a 100k serological screening program which should give some insight. The higher the infection rate, the lower the fatality rate but even that will not differentiate between ‘with’ and ‘of’.

        Most fatalities are comorbidity but I wouldn’t be waiting on WHO to issue guidelines because they are bloody useless.

    2. ReproBertie

      The CSO figures for Q1 2019 record 8,618 deaths. They haven’t published the Q4 2019 figures yet so we’ll be waiting a while for the full Q1 2020 figures.

      Doing simple sums you’re talking an average of 96 deaths per day for Q1 2019.

      From late November 2019 to January 8th 2020 the flu killed 28 people in Ireland.

          1. GiggidyGoo

            From the HSE website – they’re not in any way exact.

            ‘In Ireland, between 200 and 500 people, mainly older people, die from flu each winter.
            Every year, around the world, flu causes between 3 and 5 million cases of severe disease and up to 646, 000 deaths.’

          2. ReproBertie

            The figure of 28 was from a press conference the HSE gave in January.

            What are you trying to prove? Or what are you trying to cast doubt on?

  2. some old queen

    This is an interesting one- a suggestion that US authorities already have the legal power to force people to use the contact tracing app developed in Singapore.

    From the blog-

    Some 40 states have adopted one version or another of a model public health emergency law promulgated after 9/11. The law gives governors explicit authority to issue orders seizing “materials and facilities as may be reasonable and necessary to respond to the public health emergency.” Those facilities expressly include “communication devices,” and there’s no good reason to exclude the Android and Apple app stores from the authority.

    And, since Apple and Android know which apps we’ve activated, they could be ordered to identify those who haven’t registered for contact tracing. The federal law prohibiting disclosure of subscriber information to governments without a subpoena contains an express exception for “an emergency involving danger of death or serious physical injury to any person.”

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/singapores-location-app-could-save-american-lives

    1. jamesjoist

      I may be mistaken but could a person simply leave their phone at home if they were determined go outside ?

      1. millie aka oprah

        *gasp*

        I wouldn’t dare. How else could I avoid making eye contact with others?

        1. jamesjoist

          You could pretend to rummage in your handbag , or maybe that’s just a Clane women’s thing.

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