Broadsheet ran 3 separate posts in 2018 and 2019, rightly drawing readers attention to the fact that Cardinal George Pell, an Australian cleric, had been charged and convicted of sexual abuse of two boys. The 3 posts are still available at:
On Tuesday the Australian High Court, made up of 7 judges, unanimously acquited George Pell, ordered that he be recorded as not guilty and released immediately, having spent over 400 days in prison.
The High Court, considering all of the evidence, found that the jury acted unreasonably in finding Pell guilty in spite of evidence suggesting significant doubt that any abuse took place, or even could possibly have taken place. The case has raised very significant questions in Australia about how and why a case was brought on the basis of a claim by one person with zero supporting evidence and significant evidence to the contrary.
Given that Broadsheet ran 3 separate posts about this case, it would seem fitting and fair that they would report on the quashing of Pell’s conviction and his release.
Bodger
newsjustin, we are working on a piece which you will see in the next week as certain developments in the Vatican occur.
newsjustin
The previous pieces came out almost immediately.
What are you waiting on? The facts are available right now. Report the facts Bodger.
I understand no one gets paid for this and you have no obligation to report anything. But having reported 3 times on this already, I think it deserves to be reported on.
Bodger
newsjustin, you’ll see. It’ll be biblical.
newsjustin
Pell was acquited and released Tuesday.
BS reported on him being charged, when he was convicted, and again when his conviction was allowed to be reported on in Australian.
There seemed no need to wait for any next step those times. Report the facts please.
Bodger
newsjustin, we are waiting on these facts to get the fuller picture…
Secret sections of a landmark report into child sex abuse may soon be made public, revealing details about the conduct of Cardinal George Pell.
During the Royal Commission set up to investigate historic child sex abuse, parts of the report containing information about Cardinal Pell’s handling of allegations were unpublished.
This is due to fears it could prejudice his trial, but proceedings are no longer active after his conviction was quashed on Tuesday.
You seem to be taking this personally, newsjustin.
Broadsheet report what they like, as has been pointed out before. And they facts have been reported in many news sources around the world, where you can read them in full detail.
…I suppose a Catholic Cleric being acquitted of a sexual crime against young boys is quite unusual…
Janet, I ate my avatar
pity it doesn’t redeem the image of the church in any way at all
newsjustin
Bodger. That’s not coming “from the vatican” as you claimed. You’d be correct to report these findings as and when they emerge. Indeed, there have been claims and reports about Pell’s behaviour and response to abuse claims amongst his priests for some time. You could have reported those at any time, and still could.
But BS chose to report specifically on this case, 3 separate times. The verdict has now been quashed. He is not guilty. You should report that fact. Follow it up as you please, by all means. But there is nothing “coming from the vatican” as you claimed, and well know.
You’ll regret your earnestness in due course
Of that I’m sure of
In the meantime just treat is as the Vanilla Sex method
And you would do well to remember how news gets rostered depends on the news cycles of the day
And today the people that drive the news cycles don’t recognise your wee tale as being more important in the running orders as you do
Terrible shame – for you that is, that your crowd don’t control what gets published or broadcast anymore
For the rest of us
Yay
newsjustin
If nothing else, I’m glad I could draw your attention to the facts of the case, which you were so lacking in.
BS likes to deride old media, but in this regard – selective reporting, making a big splash on a person’s conviction and nothing on their exoneration – BS is behaving exactly the same. It shouldn’t matter that they hate the guy.
Bodger
newsjustin, this is a bit more complicated and does actually involve certain elements within the Vatican. I believe Pell is an abuser but was also set up, if you get my drift. Your point is well made btw.
newsjustin
How does that change the facts of the case?
I’m sure lots of reporters and outlets think he is (that’s part of the problem with this case and why it’s so controversial). Nevertheless, they can report on the facts (see the Australian writers for the Guardian for example).
I mean, it’s never gone wrong, has it? A media organisation convincing itself that priests are guilty of child abuse and reporting with that in mind. No I’m sure RTE and Fr Kevin Reynolds would tell you that that’s a sure-fire way to proceed. Don’t do the basics and report the facts, whatever you do Bodger.
exoneration
I’d rather lick a door handle than let you even think you can see a high moral ground on this one
or in any other Church abuse case
no matter where
who
or how
or what the outcome was
And most especially anything concerning an individual tied to the Vatican Bank
newsjustin
You’d prefer someone who’s not guilty be in prison than feel you’ve lost an argument on the internet?
That’s really sad.
edrof
Name and Shame?
Firstly who took the picture, secondly they are out walking, look like a couple. Probably from same household
Am myself and partner and daughter not allowed to be out together for our daily walk?
newsjustin
You are as long as you’re within 2km of home.
The Bad Ambassador
Do we know where they live?
I’m not asking so we can verify if they are within 2km of their house but rather so we can fetch our pitchforks and torches and march there in protest.
I despise people thinking the restrictions don’t apply to them – but let’s not rush to demand the lynching everybody we see exercising in some popular walking spot. Especially when there are plenty of houses within 2km of it. (Also, not everybody has a trundle wheel handy so give people the benefit of the doubt if they are maybe 2.01km from home).
Name and shame who? The two people walking together? But why?
Bodger
Tony, it’s a joke.
Brother Barnabas
that doesn’t mean we cant still name and shame them
newsjustin
They must be guilty of something.
Tony
Oh the bants on this site sometimes. Sure you’d want a PhD in bants to keep up
Marbe
They are just doing something very enviable, I suppose they got out of a sealed car and will get back into a sealed car. I would give my back teeth to be there……………..
Bertie Theodore Alphege Blenkinsop
This could have been Mildred and I but… yiz know the rest.
millie aka oprah
If it were your lovechild?
Bertie Theodore Alphege Blenkinsop
Is it SO much to ask?
Pat O'Kelly
Fine if they are from the same household and with 2 km from home
Plenty of houses within 2km of Dollymount
Obey the rules
Ne neart go cur le cheile
Slightly Bemused
I just feel embarrassed by the fact that as I took my morning lie-in I was wondering why the Guards were flying airplanes around my town. Looking for strays on whom to pounce? Checking for expired tax or NCT?
Nope, turned out it was the landscape company cutting the grass. Maybe I should get up earlier, or at least open the curtains!
Lush
Jaysus, there’s a fierce amount of nervous energy on the site today.
Janet, I ate my avatar
full moon, tis the beast within stirring, Diana calling ours names, scratching at the prison gates of the trappings of society, what’s left of them,
basically nothing a giant orgy in the moonlight wouldn’t fix
Lush
Time and.place Janet, I’ll be there.
Janet, I ate my avatar
clontarf beach ? ;)
Clampers Outside
“More w******’ less typin'” would fix that, I say!
Pee Pee
Its Name, and Shame.
Matt Pilates
Same old scene .. but s a Roxy Music fan I prefer Do the Strand as a headline with a pic of a ferry in the background. I think we need more than this.
At the moment there’s a lot of
“in every dream home a heartache”, I’d say.
Ringsend Incinerator
Indeed, in this time it is hardly for your pleasure.
La Goulue
If there is something….
jason
The beach is empty because all the bleedin dubs are ‘down de cuuuuntry’.
Pip
Just dawned on me where the headline comes from! Brilliant.
Strand were not a success as the campaign had unforeseeable consequences, leading to the brand being associated with loneliness. Rebranded as Embassy, with a sociable party type message, it went on to be a bestseller. The original message had significant effect on popular culture and style way beyond the world of smoking.
Shayna
I was outside today to go to my pharmacy in Belfast – a prescription thing – I phoned my friend, who has a dog who needs walking, I arranged for a walk together 2 metres apart of course. We stopped off in the local park, Cranmore on The Lisburn Road – someone called The PSNI – 2 patrol cars arrived, 4 cops for sittting in the park?
Speaking of naming and shaming…
Broadsheet ran 3 separate posts in 2018 and 2019, rightly drawing readers attention to the fact that Cardinal George Pell, an Australian cleric, had been charged and convicted of sexual abuse of two boys. The 3 posts are still available at:
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/05/01/i-do-not-like-thee-doctor-pell/
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/12/13/pell-and-damnation/
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2019/02/26/pell-and-damnation-2/
On Tuesday the Australian High Court, made up of 7 judges, unanimously acquited George Pell, ordered that he be recorded as not guilty and released immediately, having spent over 400 days in prison.
The High Court, considering all of the evidence, found that the jury acted unreasonably in finding Pell guilty in spite of evidence suggesting significant doubt that any abuse took place, or even could possibly have taken place. The case has raised very significant questions in Australia about how and why a case was brought on the basis of a claim by one person with zero supporting evidence and significant evidence to the contrary.
The decision of the High Court is available at http://eresources.hcourt.gov.au/showCase/2020/HCA/12
Given that Broadsheet ran 3 separate posts about this case, it would seem fitting and fair that they would report on the quashing of Pell’s conviction and his release.
newsjustin, we are working on a piece which you will see in the next week as certain developments in the Vatican occur.
The previous pieces came out almost immediately.
What are you waiting on? The facts are available right now. Report the facts Bodger.
I understand no one gets paid for this and you have no obligation to report anything. But having reported 3 times on this already, I think it deserves to be reported on.
newsjustin, you’ll see. It’ll be biblical.
Pell was acquited and released Tuesday.
BS reported on him being charged, when he was convicted, and again when his conviction was allowed to be reported on in Australian.
There seemed no need to wait for any next step those times. Report the facts please.
newsjustin, we are waiting on these facts to get the fuller picture…
Secret sections of a landmark report into child sex abuse may soon be made public, revealing details about the conduct of Cardinal George Pell.
During the Royal Commission set up to investigate historic child sex abuse, parts of the report containing information about Cardinal Pell’s handling of allegations were unpublished.
This is due to fears it could prejudice his trial, but proceedings are no longer active after his conviction was quashed on Tuesday.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8202627/Explosive-documents-revealing-details-George-Pells-alleged-child-abuse-set-public.html
You seem to be taking this personally, newsjustin.
Broadsheet report what they like, as has been pointed out before. And they facts have been reported in many news sources around the world, where you can read them in full detail.
…I suppose a Catholic Cleric being acquitted of a sexual crime against young boys is quite unusual…
pity it doesn’t redeem the image of the church in any way at all
Bodger. That’s not coming “from the vatican” as you claimed. You’d be correct to report these findings as and when they emerge. Indeed, there have been claims and reports about Pell’s behaviour and response to abuse claims amongst his priests for some time. You could have reported those at any time, and still could.
But BS chose to report specifically on this case, 3 separate times. The verdict has now been quashed. He is not guilty. You should report that fact. Follow it up as you please, by all means. But there is nothing “coming from the vatican” as you claimed, and well know.
hopefully his victims will find justice
and other victims will come forward..
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/09/child-sexual-abuse-victims-should-not-be-put-off-by-george-pell-decision-experts-say
“It would be ‘legally wrong’ to conclude that the high court ruling undermined the point of bringing cases to trial, professor says”
hey newsjustin, i believe they’ve closed the healing pools at lourdes due to coronavirus.
heh heh heh
What does that have to do with the administration of justice scottser?
It reflects very badly on people here that they’re only interested in justice for people they like or are like them.
Actually it reflects badly on you Justine
Calm da’ púc down lad
You’ll regret your earnestness in due course
Of that I’m sure of
In the meantime just treat is as the Vanilla Sex method
And you would do well to remember how news gets rostered depends on the news cycles of the day
And today the people that drive the news cycles don’t recognise your wee tale as being more important in the running orders as you do
Terrible shame – for you that is, that your crowd don’t control what gets published or broadcast anymore
For the rest of us
Yay
If nothing else, I’m glad I could draw your attention to the facts of the case, which you were so lacking in.
BS likes to deride old media, but in this regard – selective reporting, making a big splash on a person’s conviction and nothing on their exoneration – BS is behaving exactly the same. It shouldn’t matter that they hate the guy.
newsjustin, this is a bit more complicated and does actually involve certain elements within the Vatican. I believe Pell is an abuser but was also set up, if you get my drift. Your point is well made btw.
How does that change the facts of the case?
I’m sure lots of reporters and outlets think he is (that’s part of the problem with this case and why it’s so controversial). Nevertheless, they can report on the facts (see the Australian writers for the Guardian for example).
I mean, it’s never gone wrong, has it? A media organisation convincing itself that priests are guilty of child abuse and reporting with that in mind. No I’m sure RTE and Fr Kevin Reynolds would tell you that that’s a sure-fire way to proceed. Don’t do the basics and report the facts, whatever you do Bodger.
please Justine
exoneration
I’d rather lick a door handle than let you even think you can see a high moral ground on this one
or in any other Church abuse case
no matter where
who
or how
or what the outcome was
And most especially anything concerning an individual tied to the Vatican Bank
You’d prefer someone who’s not guilty be in prison than feel you’ve lost an argument on the internet?
That’s really sad.
Name and Shame?
Firstly who took the picture, secondly they are out walking, look like a couple. Probably from same household
Am myself and partner and daughter not allowed to be out together for our daily walk?
You are as long as you’re within 2km of home.
Do we know where they live?
I’m not asking so we can verify if they are within 2km of their house but rather so we can fetch our pitchforks and torches and march there in protest.
I despise people thinking the restrictions don’t apply to them – but let’s not rush to demand the lynching everybody we see exercising in some popular walking spot. Especially when there are plenty of houses within 2km of it. (Also, not everybody has a trundle wheel handy so give people the benefit of the doubt if they are maybe 2.01km from home).
I agree. There’s a website to figure it out:
https://2kmfromhome.com/
They aren’t doing anything wrong.
except spreading a fatal vius
Name and shame who? The two people walking together? But why?
Tony, it’s a joke.
that doesn’t mean we cant still name and shame them
They must be guilty of something.
Oh the bants on this site sometimes. Sure you’d want a PhD in bants to keep up
They are just doing something very enviable, I suppose they got out of a sealed car and will get back into a sealed car. I would give my back teeth to be there……………..
This could have been Mildred and I but… yiz know the rest.
If it were your lovechild?
Is it SO much to ask?
Fine if they are from the same household and with 2 km from home
Plenty of houses within 2km of Dollymount
Obey the rules
Ne neart go cur le cheile
I just feel embarrassed by the fact that as I took my morning lie-in I was wondering why the Guards were flying airplanes around my town. Looking for strays on whom to pounce? Checking for expired tax or NCT?
Nope, turned out it was the landscape company cutting the grass. Maybe I should get up earlier, or at least open the curtains!
Jaysus, there’s a fierce amount of nervous energy on the site today.
full moon, tis the beast within stirring, Diana calling ours names, scratching at the prison gates of the trappings of society, what’s left of them,
basically nothing a giant orgy in the moonlight wouldn’t fix
Time and.place Janet, I’ll be there.
clontarf beach ? ;)
“More w******’ less typin'” would fix that, I say!
Its Name, and Shame.
Same old scene .. but s a Roxy Music fan I prefer Do the Strand as a headline with a pic of a ferry in the background. I think we need more than this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MJQxvX5WvA
(gets tiger striped ciat and sequinned glasses)
At the moment there’s a lot of
“in every dream home a heartache”, I’d say.
Indeed, in this time it is hardly for your pleasure.
If there is something….
The beach is empty because all the bleedin dubs are ‘down de cuuuuntry’.
Just dawned on me where the headline comes from! Brilliant.
Strand were not a success as the campaign had unforeseeable consequences, leading to the brand being associated with loneliness. Rebranded as Embassy, with a sociable party type message, it went on to be a bestseller. The original message had significant effect on popular culture and style way beyond the world of smoking.
I was outside today to go to my pharmacy in Belfast – a prescription thing – I phoned my friend, who has a dog who needs walking, I arranged for a walk together 2 metres apart of course. We stopped off in the local park, Cranmore on The Lisburn Road – someone called The PSNI – 2 patrol cars arrived, 4 cops for sittting in the park?
Thanks for that, Pip.