There’s been a significant rise in the number of non-Covid related fatalities this year and at the same time a drop in those seeking out non-Covid related medical treatment. I think the media probably have a lot to answer for in the unrelentingly sensationalist way they are presenting the corona narrative. On rte it feels almost like they’re fetishising death statistics
Unfortunately, it seems to be based on the fairly lousy stats for Ireland that they have access to, this here seems to be a more accurate assessment of what’s going on in Ireland: https://twitter.com/seamuscoffey/status/1250033761686892545
It must be a nightmare trying to compile all this info from various sources (some of which retroactively correct their figures) and so I think a proper picture will only emerge many months in retrospect.
Clampers Outside
I hear ya on that last point.
Thanks for coming back on it.
some old queen
So has WHO. The US is about to open for business again. It will be interesting to see if there is actually a large spike or had this thing just burnt itself out.
D
The laissez faire approach in Singapore has led to a huge rise of cases in the last few days, so I am not even a little bit optimistic. It has at least been contained to the young and fit, mostly. There may be a spike of deaths in the coming weeks there. It will be morbidly ‘interesting’ to see the outcome, hopefully not too much bad will come of it. They have basically gone into proper lockdown as a response.
some old queen
Yes you are probably right and I should have phrased it better- apologies.
If however we have lets say a 75% population whom with or without previous symptoms are already through it, then locking down the most vulnerable and looking after them properly is a way better strategy.
I see WHO are saying that anti bodies does not mean immunity but as Adhanom is China’s man, it might be worth taking that with a pinch of salt. It usually does with viruses so who is right?
It’s a gamble either way because people are going to die too if an economy is wrecked.
D
You are correct, it is a gamble. Recessions don’t kill highly qualified medical personnel at the same rate as this thing I would wager. Maybe some way of accurately assessing immunity will arrive, until then it’s a mugs game.
some old queen
Something does not add with that one- why so many medics? PPE maybe but there is a theory that the quantity of virus you are infected with may determine how sick you become.
So if you are infected by someone who is a low shed rate then your immune system as time to beat it and flag it as an undesirable. If on the other hand you are dealing with people who have a very high viral load (count) then it overwhelms the immune defence systems and marches on in.
As I said, just a theory.
jamesjoist
It has been suggested that because President Trump’s business’s are leisure and consumer orientated they have taken a huge hit and this is the reason he’s pushing for an end to lockdown.
Rosette of Sirius
I’d say it’s a combination of that and an opportunity to create a firestorm in advance of November 3. Polarize his nation even more and perhaps, just perhaps activate his militia in case he goes down… I’ve always said he’s the kind of narcissist that will raze his country – and Lord knows what else – to the ground to ‘win’. As in if he can’t have it, nobody else can…
Charlie
You should switch over to a few of the United Kingdom of Depression channels. They’ve always been a miserable bunch but they’re in overdrive now.
Cian
Can you provide sources for the “significant rise in the number of non-Covid related fatalities this year” please?
GiggidyGoo
Try UCC’s Seamus Coffey’s observations. It’s a good place to start. Or maybe Dr. Jack Lambert’s observations. GIYF
This is interesting … don’t think the papers have it yet. We may have peaked a few days ago as the deaths reported on a day might not be _for_ that day:
I suspect we will have a whole mountain range of peaks reported by year end.
Some old queen
Tweet from George Street Arcade @georgesarcade.
“To All 42 businesses at the Georges Street Arcade
PLEASE FEEL ASSURED , YOU HAVE BUSINESSES , YOU HAVE WORK , YOU SHOULD NOT FEEL ANXIOUS. THE LAYDEN FAMILY ARE MAINTAINING, AND INSURING, THE ARCADE, AND WILL CARRY THE RENTS AND THE SERVICES CHARGES IN FULL, UNTIL WE CAN REOPEN”
44 dead.
And approximately 4.9 million alive..
Nah, we’re the undead.
And good morning to you too. Have a nice weekend!
And good morning to you too!
There’s been a significant rise in the number of non-Covid related fatalities this year and at the same time a drop in those seeking out non-Covid related medical treatment. I think the media probably have a lot to answer for in the unrelentingly sensationalist way they are presenting the corona narrative. On rte it feels almost like they’re fetishising death statistics
Have you seen these charts?
http://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/zscore_country_total.html
Hi, I’ve seen that graph before but unsure how to read it.
Could you respond with a summary of the graph on Ireland.
Thanks in advance!
Here’s a bit of info on the methodology: http://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/images/z-score_lightbox.fw.png
Unfortunately, it seems to be based on the fairly lousy stats for Ireland that they have access to, this here seems to be a more accurate assessment of what’s going on in Ireland: https://twitter.com/seamuscoffey/status/1250033761686892545
It must be a nightmare trying to compile all this info from various sources (some of which retroactively correct their figures) and so I think a proper picture will only emerge many months in retrospect.
I hear ya on that last point.
Thanks for coming back on it.
So has WHO. The US is about to open for business again. It will be interesting to see if there is actually a large spike or had this thing just burnt itself out.
The laissez faire approach in Singapore has led to a huge rise of cases in the last few days, so I am not even a little bit optimistic. It has at least been contained to the young and fit, mostly. There may be a spike of deaths in the coming weeks there. It will be morbidly ‘interesting’ to see the outcome, hopefully not too much bad will come of it. They have basically gone into proper lockdown as a response.
Yes you are probably right and I should have phrased it better- apologies.
If however we have lets say a 75% population whom with or without previous symptoms are already through it, then locking down the most vulnerable and looking after them properly is a way better strategy.
I see WHO are saying that anti bodies does not mean immunity but as Adhanom is China’s man, it might be worth taking that with a pinch of salt. It usually does with viruses so who is right?
It’s a gamble either way because people are going to die too if an economy is wrecked.
You are correct, it is a gamble. Recessions don’t kill highly qualified medical personnel at the same rate as this thing I would wager. Maybe some way of accurately assessing immunity will arrive, until then it’s a mugs game.
Something does not add with that one- why so many medics? PPE maybe but there is a theory that the quantity of virus you are infected with may determine how sick you become.
So if you are infected by someone who is a low shed rate then your immune system as time to beat it and flag it as an undesirable. If on the other hand you are dealing with people who have a very high viral load (count) then it overwhelms the immune defence systems and marches on in.
As I said, just a theory.
It has been suggested that because President Trump’s business’s are leisure and consumer orientated they have taken a huge hit and this is the reason he’s pushing for an end to lockdown.
I’d say it’s a combination of that and an opportunity to create a firestorm in advance of November 3. Polarize his nation even more and perhaps, just perhaps activate his militia in case he goes down… I’ve always said he’s the kind of narcissist that will raze his country – and Lord knows what else – to the ground to ‘win’. As in if he can’t have it, nobody else can…
You should switch over to a few of the United Kingdom of Depression channels. They’ve always been a miserable bunch but they’re in overdrive now.
Can you provide sources for the “significant rise in the number of non-Covid related fatalities this year” please?
Try UCC’s Seamus Coffey’s observations. It’s a good place to start. Or maybe Dr. Jack Lambert’s observations. GIYF
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2020/04/17/non-covid-19-fatalities-in-march-and-april-are-up-considerably/
This is interesting … don’t think the papers have it yet. We may have peaked a few days ago as the deaths reported on a day might not be _for_ that day:
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0418/1132271-deaths-covid-holohan/
I suspect we will have a whole mountain range of peaks reported by year end.
Tweet from George Street Arcade @georgesarcade.
“To All 42 businesses at the Georges Street Arcade
PLEASE FEEL ASSURED , YOU HAVE BUSINESSES , YOU HAVE WORK , YOU SHOULD NOT FEEL ANXIOUS. THE LAYDEN FAMILY ARE MAINTAINING, AND INSURING, THE ARCADE, AND WILL CARRY THE RENTS AND THE SERVICES CHARGES IN FULL, UNTIL WE CAN REOPEN”
https://twitter.com/georgesarcade/status/1251154090232385536
Now THAT is how you do business- lovely stuff.
New dashboard from Donegal County Council- All Island CoVid-19 figures- Data sourced from Dept of Health & Public Health NI daily updates
https://donegal.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f5863a09f5b445cba1897841a6f9f57b