How demented is it that The Daily Express should regard the death of 104 frontline health workers as “self-sacrifice”?
I’d wager their families, friends and colleagues view it differently.
Matt Pilates
The Daily Express also regards serial liar and ducker of responsibility, Boris Johnson, as an NHS champ – even saving his life from whatever he made up.
Formerly known as @ireland.com
104 carer deaths in the UK is shocking. The PM and cabinet should resign. Of course, they won’t. These innocent people have been sacraficed in the name of poorly thought out herd immunity. The provision of PPE was within the control of the government. I watched Laura Kunsberg (political editor) on BBC the News. She is such a lap dog for the Tories. No criticism, just that the government say they are happy with improving numbers.
dav
watch out, Andrew will be along to gripe about our commenting on the mess in the UK
Andrew
no point Dav. The sheeple have spoken.
”But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.”
We have always been at war with Eurasia or is it Eastasia?
what is the ratio of distressed dysfunctional children being born today compared to 30 years ago compared to those of the tax laying and educated ….I see a very unstable violent population pyramid coming
GiggidyGoo
So Holohan reckoned we hit the peak a couple of weeks ago?
When will these ego trippers realise that they should tell the truth?
f_lawless
Recent UK data now show that the lockdown measures in the UK were an unnecessary step according to a leading professor at Oxford University. The jury’s definitely still out over here.
Says the same thing. Quote: “..a leading expert at the University of Oxford has argued the peak was actually about a month ago, a week before lockdown started on March 23, and that the draconian measures people are now living with were unnecessary.
Professor Carl Heneghan claims data shows infection rates halved after the Government launched a public information campaign on March 16 urging people to wash their hands and keep two metres (6’6”) away from others.
He said ministers ‘lost sight’ of the evidence and rushed into a nationwide quarantine six days later after being instructed by scientific advisers who he claims have been ‘consistently wrong’ during the crisis.
Professor Heneghan hailed Sweden – which has not enforced a lockdown despite fierce criticism – for ‘holding its nerve’ and avoiding a ‘doomsday scenario’. “
D
There are several months waiting before an accurate picture of the number of deaths on a particular day can be calculated.
Therefore it will be several months before they know what date was the exact peak of deaths.
Therefore it is premature to calculate based on averages of time to death from infection, (which are grossly inaccurate), what date the peak of infection was actually at.
Nowhere are journalists reporting confidence intervals or margin of error.
You can see numerous countries retroactively adjusting their statistics and this will continue.
Really bad news out of Sweden today and quite possibly, more to come.
Rob_G
Thanks for that.
It is worth noting that there are plenty of other virologists/epidemiologists who would hold a more pessimistic view, but I appreciate you posting the link.
Cian
Deaths/million population
Sweden: 175
Ireland: 139
Donnchadh
Replying to D: I’d share some of your concerns with Prof Heneghan’s claims, in particular how robust the data is for the time from infection to death, and what the confidence interval for estimates of the averages of those times. That said, the figures for the NHS daily death totals which we have, even if they are subject to some revision, provide at least some grounds for (very cautious) optimism.
it’s way too early for any of this to be remotely accurate.
The NHS numbers are fairly terrible. Waiting for the EU MOMO chart tbh.
Donnchadh
Obviously the NHS numbers are tragic. But insofar as a pattern is clear, it seems to be one of gradual decline. Of course we may have to revise these figures in due course, but that’s a lot better than if the daily totals were clearly climbing.
GiggidyGoo
And a view of a doctor of our politicians?
Dr Marcus de Brun has described the management of the crisis as “the biggest political blunders in the history of the Irish State”.
No surprise there.
Cian
And a view of a different doctor of our politicians?
Fine Gael are the best party every.
Surprise!
GiggidyGoo
Linky linky
Gabby
Murder victim Cameron Blair was a fine young man of great promise. They should establish a foundation with his name to encourage youth citizenship.
Verbatim
I agree that would be a lovely legacy… what a horrible senseless death.
How demented is it that The Daily Express should regard the death of 104 frontline health workers as “self-sacrifice”?
I’d wager their families, friends and colleagues view it differently.
The Daily Express also regards serial liar and ducker of responsibility, Boris Johnson, as an NHS champ – even saving his life from whatever he made up.
104 carer deaths in the UK is shocking. The PM and cabinet should resign. Of course, they won’t. These innocent people have been sacraficed in the name of poorly thought out herd immunity. The provision of PPE was within the control of the government. I watched Laura Kunsberg (political editor) on BBC the News. She is such a lap dog for the Tories. No criticism, just that the government say they are happy with improving numbers.
watch out, Andrew will be along to gripe about our commenting on the mess in the UK
no point Dav. The sheeple have spoken.
”But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.”
We have always been at war with Eurasia or is it Eastasia?
yes yes bojo is doing a great job…
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/21/coronavirus-deaths-in-care-homes-in-england-and-wales-more-than-quadruple-in-a-week
Coronavirus: England and Wales care home deaths quadruple in a week
More than 1,000 die in week before Easter, with private homes deaths more than tripling
Theres another dimension to consider with regard to frontline workers.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/18/failure-to-record-ethnicity-of-covid-19-victims-a-scandal-says-bma-chief?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
what is the ratio of distressed dysfunctional children being born today compared to 30 years ago compared to those of the tax laying and educated ….I see a very unstable violent population pyramid coming
So Holohan reckoned we hit the peak a couple of weeks ago?
When will these ego trippers realise that they should tell the truth?
Recent UK data now show that the lockdown measures in the UK were an unnecessary step according to a leading professor at Oxford University. The jury’s definitely still out over here.
https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/04/20/revealed-uk-ministers-knew-crisis-had-peaked-before-lockdown-but-panicked-anyway/
@f_lawless – did you see recent ‘confirmation’ that air quality is a significant issue in mortality rates from covid19?
you posted a link suggesting that around 5 weeks ago, if I recall correctly
I did BB. It would seem to a logical assumption on the face of it
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52351290
Do you have links from any non Kremlin-funded news sites that demonstrate same?
The article I posted above links to this article:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8235979/UKs-coronavirus-crisis-peaked-lockdown-Expert-argues-draconian-measures-unnecessary.html
Says the same thing. Quote:
“..a leading expert at the University of Oxford has argued the peak was actually about a month ago, a week before lockdown started on March 23, and that the draconian measures people are now living with were unnecessary.
Professor Carl Heneghan claims data shows infection rates halved after the Government launched a public information campaign on March 16 urging people to wash their hands and keep two metres (6’6”) away from others.
He said ministers ‘lost sight’ of the evidence and rushed into a nationwide quarantine six days later after being instructed by scientific advisers who he claims have been ‘consistently wrong’ during the crisis.
Professor Heneghan hailed Sweden – which has not enforced a lockdown despite fierce criticism – for ‘holding its nerve’ and avoiding a ‘doomsday scenario’. “
There are several months waiting before an accurate picture of the number of deaths on a particular day can be calculated.
Therefore it will be several months before they know what date was the exact peak of deaths.
Therefore it is premature to calculate based on averages of time to death from infection, (which are grossly inaccurate), what date the peak of infection was actually at.
Nowhere are journalists reporting confidence intervals or margin of error.
You can see numerous countries retroactively adjusting their statistics and this will continue.
Really bad news out of Sweden today and quite possibly, more to come.
Thanks for that.
It is worth noting that there are plenty of other virologists/epidemiologists who would hold a more pessimistic view, but I appreciate you posting the link.
Deaths/million population
Sweden: 175
Ireland: 139
Replying to D: I’d share some of your concerns with Prof Heneghan’s claims, in particular how robust the data is for the time from infection to death, and what the confidence interval for estimates of the averages of those times. That said, the figures for the NHS daily death totals which we have, even if they are subject to some revision, provide at least some grounds for (very cautious) optimism.
Also, the news from Sweden might not be quite as bad as it looks: https://mobile.twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1252572071797960704
David Paton deja vu:
https://mobile.twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1252211347095511040
it’s way too early for any of this to be remotely accurate.
The NHS numbers are fairly terrible. Waiting for the EU MOMO chart tbh.
Obviously the NHS numbers are tragic. But insofar as a pattern is clear, it seems to be one of gradual decline. Of course we may have to revise these figures in due course, but that’s a lot better than if the daily totals were clearly climbing.
And a view of a doctor of our politicians?
Dr Marcus de Brun has described the management of the crisis as “the biggest political blunders in the history of the Irish State”.
No surprise there.
And a view of a different doctor of our politicians?
Fine Gael are the best party every.
Surprise!
Linky linky
Murder victim Cameron Blair was a fine young man of great promise. They should establish a foundation with his name to encourage youth citizenship.
I agree that would be a lovely legacy… what a horrible senseless death.